Ballarat Line upgrades underway

 
Topic moved from News by dthead on 20 Nov 2017 12:49
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
That is Ballan not Ballarat but photos are excellent.

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  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Incidentally, will the Bungaree section still be used after the new Ballan lop is operational?
Duncs
The original line via Bungaree will be decommissioned after commissioning of the new double track section on the Bungaree diversion.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Incidentally, will the Bungaree section still be used after the new Ballan lop is operational?
The original line via Bungaree will be decommissioned after commissioning of the new double track section on the Bungaree diversion.
Nightfire
With a saving of about 5/10 minutes on the train services that used to travel via Bungaree
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

hmmm...

I would be inclined to keep Bungaree as a "back up" in case any other problems emerge. As a track it was a  smooth ride on Sunday, all be it at 130kph.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
hmmm...

I would be inclined to keep Bungaree as a "back up" in case any other problems emerge. As a track it was a  smooth ride on Sunday, all be it at 130kph.
Duncs

The track sounds like it is in good condition and could be maintained in service for a backup.  Are there any stations on that section either closed or open?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
hmmm...

I would be inclined to keep Bungaree as a "back up" in case any other problems emerge. As a track it was a  smooth ride on Sunday, all be it at 130kph.
Duncs
Back up for what ?

The Government Is pretty keen to close the level crossings along the old route.
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

I was just being careful here. I guess once the new passing loop between Ballan and Ballarta is operational, they can then safely close Bungaree. I just don't have much confidence in V Line / Victrack at present.

Can existing rail (and some of the level crossing components) currently in use at Bungaree be re used elsewhere in the network.?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Can existing rail (and some of the level crossing components) currently in use at Bungaree be re used elsewhere in the network.?
Duncs
The rail would be no good to V/Line - it has too many curves in it and modern alignments are much straighter - best donate it to the VGR LaughingLaughingLaughing

And while they are transporting that over to Maldon they might as well throw a couple of complete LX sets on the truck too, one for Bendigo Road and one to replace the Midland Highway crossing!
  ngarner Chief Train Controller

Location: Seville
The track sounds like it is in good condition and could be maintained in service for a backup.  Are there any stations on that section either closed or open?
bevans
Wallace and Bungaree stations existed on that section but both have been closed for decades IIRC. Bungaree also originally had a racecourse branch line over a century ago

Neil
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
The track sounds like it is in good condition and could be maintained in service for a backup.  Are there any stations on that section either closed or open?
bevans
The platform at Bungaree is still there, but the line will need to be moved so passengers can use it.
It's not much of a tourist attraction since the two trams in the photo are in a shed now.

https://flic.kr/p/ARo1Cd
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

The track sounds like it is in good condition and could be maintained in service for a backup.  Are there any stations on that section either closed or open?
The platform at Bungaree is still there, but the line will need to be moved so passengers can use it.
It's not much of a tourist attraction since the two trams in the photo are in a shed now.

https://flic.kr/p/ARo1Cd
Gauntlet
Nice photo Gauntlet
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
1. How much will it cost to keep the 8km stretch of railway via Bungaree up to a safe standard?
I would have thought too much.

2. How likely is it that there will be an accident or breakdown on that very specific section of new double track that would then make the old alignment useful?
I wouldn't have thought all that likely. In fact, I don't recall any issues in the area in recent history that would have required all trains to find another way.
  NimbleJack Station Master

2. How likely is it that there will be an accident or breakdown on that very specific section of new double track that would then make the old alignment useful?
I wouldn't have thought all that likely. In fact, I don't recall any issues in the area in recent history that would have required all trains to find another way.
Gman_86

From an operational perspective, it's not double line. It's two ATC single lines. That's your redundancy right there.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

1. How much will it cost to keep the 8km stretch of railway via Bungaree up to a safe standard?
I would have thought too much.

2. How likely is it that there will be an accident or breakdown on that very specific section of new double track that would then make the old alignment useful?
I wouldn't have thought all that likely. In fact, I don't recall any issues in the area in recent history that would have required all trains to find another way.
Gman_86
The bungaree loop line is due to be ripped up once the Ballarat upgrades have been completed.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line

2. How likely is it that there will be an accident or breakdown on that very specific section of new double track that would then make the old alignment useful?
I wouldn't have thought all that likely. In fact, I don't recall any issues in the area in recent history that would have required all trains to find another way.
Gman_86

The Overland derailed at Bungaree in 1971...so in the unlikely event that a derailment occurred in that area...does that justify keeping the old alignment and associated infrastructure in good nick for 50 years or more Question

Unlikely.

https://www.bungareehistorywalk.com/the-train-wreck.html

I'm not certain that the Overland was 'completely wrecked' as discussed on a 30MPH curve derailment, but I digress.

Mike.
  doyle Junior Train Controller

Platform (new) 1 at Melton needs a total revamp, one entry and exit, the platform itself is extremely narrow bugger all shelters one I think. Melton hhas been the only station not upgraded, poor effort
  digger Beginner

Investigations have already started for what will probably be sky rail through Melton, removing level crossings. This is why that station was not upgraded. All due to happen as part of electrification for the Metro tunnel by 2025.
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

Investigations have already started for what will probably be sky rail through Melton, removing level crossings. This is why that station was not upgraded. All due to happen as part of electrification for the Metro tunnel by 2025.
digger
Source?
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Investigations have already started for what will probably be sky rail through Melton, removing level crossings. This is why that station was not upgraded. All due to happen as part of electrification for the Metro tunnel by 2025.
digger
Definitely not. Are you confused with the Deer Park crossings that will see a new elevated Deer Park station?

https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/projects/robinsons-road,-deer-park
  Lockie91 Train Controller

@digger

Deer Park is slated for a total rebuild as part of the fore mentioned LX removal. Melton currently has no plans for any works.

I do suspect that once the Western Rail Plan is thrashed out, Melton will receive a rebuild as part of sparking. Still many years off from any kind of “investigative works”
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Tonight for the first time, a dedicated train at 01:40 from SCS to cater for New Years Eve revellers Exclamation

I must admit that this year, I too will become a reveller and will travel on the 20:35 UP from Ballan arriving some time after 21:45. Thence travel on the light rail to the former St Kilda station thence stroll somewhere to get a vantage point of the NYE proceedings.


DOWN Ballarat services ad follows:

23:55 train.

01:00 bus.

01:40 train.

02:00 bus.

After arriving home in the wee small hours, I expect to be awake by 09:00 to catch the 09:18 DOWN Ararat, then bus connexion to unknown destination (free service) then a sumptuous luncheon and return to Ballan by 17:30.

An action packed schedule if I do say so.

The 01:40 is a new V/Line initiative and will be interesting to see how well patronised it is.

Mike.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Well St Kilda Beach was an interesting place to see in the New Year.

One firework, coloured crimson and a few people along the foreshore had sparklers. Nevertheless a quiet but quite large and well behaved crowd and as we caught the light rail back to the casino arriving around 12:50 the huge crowds were massed along the Southbank Promenade...generally heading home.

After walking along the Promenade we too decided we should make tracks for SCS and the waiting 01:40 on Platform 8.

10 minutes before departure the 6 car train was almost full and standing but we managed to get the last 2 seats together. Departure saw the train looking like a peak service to Wyndham Vale, so one can assume that V/Line's experiment of adding a special train for new year revellers was an outstanding success and will probably be repeated in future.

Express through Footscray and Sunshine saw the crowd start to diminish from Ardeer onwards and by the time I awoke at Melton the train was down to around a ¼ full and I went back to sleep till arrival just before Ballan where 8 alighted at 2:40.

The train still had at least 120 pax after departure from Ballan, so Indeed...an immediate success Exclamation

Off to Great Western for lunch on the first DOWN service (free) this morning, the 09:21 from Ballan after a few hours kip and back to Ballan by around 17:35 and back to work tomorrow.

Incidentally I went to work in the City yesterday and left at lunch time to come home for a few hours, so I actually had 2 return journeys from Ballan to Melbourne yesterday.

Mike.
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
Here are some photos I took at Wendouree and Ballarat today.
I was surprised that there's only one track at the Gillies Street level crossing and shocked by the location of poles for new signals closer to Ballarat station.

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  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Words fail me.

But I'm not surprised....
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Is this a case of "Dumb and Dumber?"

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