• Whether Train Orders in Victoria (anywhere these days) are issued through a cross or crosses?
• Are Tickets used, either regularly or occasionally, in Victoria under Staff and Ticket working?

Are Tickets used, either regularly or occasionally, in Victoria under Staff and Ticket working?

Certainly at PBR. Oops! sorry YM; Puffing Billy Railway (whew! just dodged an anti-acronym bullet there.)

Thanks David.
Now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection that the Tea and Sugar was rescheduled late in its life no doubt due to the reduction in Gangs etc at line locations.
We have yet to unearth someone who can answer:

• Whether Train Orders in Victoria (anywhere these days) are issued through a cross or crosses?
• Are Tickets used, either regularly or occasionally, in Victoria under Staff and Ticket working?

I might live dangerously by stating I could fly QANTAS to an ANZAC function in VIC then travel to PBR.......

I might live dangerously by stating I could fly QANTAS to an ANZAC function in VIC then travel to PBR.......

. . . on an EMU courtesy of PTV.

Renowned as I am for TT&D* I wish you all a MC&HNY

Thanks David.
Now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection that the Tea and Sugar was rescheduled late in its life no doubt due to the reduction in Gangs etc at line locations.
We have yet to unearth someone who can answer:

• Whether Train Orders in Victoria (anywhere these days) are issued through a cross or crosses?
• Are Tickets used, either regularly or occasionally, in Victoria under Staff and Ticket working?

Tickets were used for the section Eltham to Hurstbridge when the train under the ticket was stabling at Hurstbridge.
I've also witnessed it in use between Gheringhap and Warrenheip in 1993/94.
https://pilbararailways.com.au/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=307

Thanks David.
Now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection that the Tea and Sugar was rescheduled late in its life no doubt due to the reduction in Gangs etc at line locations.
We have yet to unearth someone who can answer:

• Whether Train Orders in Victoria (anywhere these days) are issued through a cross or crosses?
• Are Tickets used, either regularly or occasionally, in Victoria under Staff and Ticket working?

Tickets were used for the section Eltham to Hurstbridge when the train under the ticket was stabling at Hurstbridge.
I've also witnessed it in use between Gheringhap and Warrenheip in 1993/94.
https://pilbararailways.com.au/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=307

Michaelgm, Petan and Valvegear,

Sorry, but you are mere amateurs at acronyms here on RP. The ones you quote are all either Australian Rail or other well known ones - even to me.

If you are to be elevated to professional acronym status (PAS) you will need to work harder on the use of more esoteric acronyms (EA), especially those outside the prime thrust of this website which is, of course, Australian Rail. I suggest that you look to the automobile industry, electricity generation or metal smelting. Perhaps a few unexplained Pommie ones would help you as well.

Should you need help there are several posters here on RP who, I am sure, will be able to assist you with additional acronyms (AA) provided that you don't wish to know what the bloody hell they are talking about.

Renowned as I am for TT&D* I wish you all a MC&HNY**

_{* Tolerance, tact and diplomacy
** Merry Christmas and Happy New Year}  

I'm sure someone will know this off the top of the head - how many operating rail tunnels are there in NSW? (I do know that there are some dis-used.)

I'll make a start, and I'm  happy to be corrected. I'm  not familiar with all these areas.
Illawarra                             12
South                                   4
Canberra Branch                2?
West                                    12
Short North                         7
Nth Coast                            3
Main North                          1
Suburban                             1
Illa mountain                       3
Ulan                                      3

I'll make a start, and I'm  happy to be corrected. I'm  not familiar with all these areas.
Illawarra                             12
South                                   4
Canberra Branch                2?
West                                    12
Short North                         7
Nth Coast                            3
Main North                          1
Suburban                             1
Illa mountain                       3
Ulan                                      3

Not sure about other areas but suggest your count of three for the North coast may be a typo as perhaps you meant to add a digit in the 'tens' column to make it thirteen. As KRviator, noted Rolfeworld has a pretty good tally and his is 13 for the north coast within NSW. The border tunnel counts as NSW as the state border is partway through.

Thanks David.
Now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection that the Tea and Sugar was rescheduled late in its life no doubt due to the reduction in Gangs etc at line locations.
We have yet to unearth someone who can answer:

• Whether Train Orders in Victoria (anywhere these days) are issued through a cross or crosses?
• Are Tickets used, either regularly or occasionally, in Victoria under Staff and Ticket working?

Thanks David.
Now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection that the Tea and Sugar was rescheduled late in its life no doubt due to the reduction in Gangs etc at line locations.
We have yet to unearth someone who can answer:

• Whether Train Orders in Victoria (anywhere these days) are issued through a cross or crosses?
• Are Tickets used, either regularly or occasionally, in Victoria under Staff and Ticket working?

Thanks David.
Now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection that the Tea and Sugar was rescheduled late in its life no doubt due to the reduction in Gangs etc at line locations.
We have yet to unearth someone who can answer:

• Whether Train Orders in Victoria (anywhere these days) are issued through a cross or crosses?
• Are Tickets used, either regularly or occasionally, in Victoria under Staff and Ticket working?

The embarrassing question being:
What happened to David's post?

Thanks David.
Now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection that the Tea and Sugar was rescheduled late in its life no doubt due to the reduction in Gangs etc at line locations.
We have yet to unearth someone who can answer:

• Are Tickets used, either regularly or occasionally, in Victoria under Staff and Ticket working?

Michaelgm, Petan and Valvegear,

Sorry, but you are mere amateurs at acronyms here on RP. The ones you quote are all either Australian Rail or other well known ones - even to me.

If you are to be elevated to professional acronym status (PAS) you will need to work harder on the use of more esoteric acronyms (EA), especially those outside the prime thrust of this website which is, of course, Australian Rail. I suggest that you look to the automobile industry, electricity generation or metal smelting. Perhaps a few unexplained Pommie ones would help you as well.

Should you need help there are several posters here on RP who, I am sure, will be able to assist you with additional acronyms (AA) provided that you don't wish to know what the bloody hell they are talking about.

Renowned as I am for TT&D* I wish you all a MC&HNY**

_{* Tolerance, tact and diplomacy
** Merry Christmas and Happy New Year}  

All of Railpage bows down to your superior acronym usage.

Is it not the case that the more correct form for addressing you in written communications is in fact YM-Mundrabilla PITA* with post-nominals included, rather than the informal YM-Mundrabilla you normally use on the forum?

* Professional Institute of Transport Acronyms, but could possibly be something else

Thanks David.
Now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection that the Tea and Sugar was rescheduled late in its life no doubt due to the reduction in Gangs etc at line locations.
We have yet to unearth someone who can answer:

• Whether Train Orders in Victoria (anywhere these days) are issued through a cross or crosses?
• Are Tickets used, either regularly or occasionally, in Victoria under Staff and Ticket working?

The embarrassing question being:
What happened to David's post?

Sorry about that Chief
due to tecnocract problems
When I under took Train Order Training with the PTC in 1988 in was very much like the SAR Train Orders ,of course with variations, but basicly a train could have 2 runs and a cross , meaning depart station A cross train at station B then proceed station C . The system was running well and as a driver mate of mine told me policy changed ,not sure why  but trains were only to be issued orders that read proceed from Station A to Station B cross train No ??? ,then a new order is issued proceed to Station C. Train order were never issued on the run , always at a Train Order terminal station either manned or if  unmanned then it is issued by Train to base radio (train controller to locomotive) David

Thanks David.
Now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection that the Tea and Sugar was rescheduled late in its life no doubt due to the reduction in Gangs etc at line locations.
We have yet to unearth someone who can answer:

• Are Tickets used, either regularly or occasionally, in Victoria under Staff and Ticket working?

Staff and Ticket working is alive and well in Victoria  It is being used on the Maryborough at Ararat line and for the real adventurus ,one can even real behind a real ,not a tourist railway but Public Transport Corporation run two passenger trains under the staff and ticket system Catch the Pass from Southern Cross  to Ararat and the last 100 kilometres from Ballarat to Ararat is Staff and Ticket ,with ticket boxes and tickets can be issued . Or for the traveller who likes to spend a little more time away catch the pass from Southern Cross  to Bairnsdale were the last 120 kilometres from Traralgon 2Bairnsdale is Train Staff and Ticket with Sale opening as an intermediate Staff Station when required So catch the Vlocity railcar to these two destinations,
2018 tecnology with 1870 safeworking sheer luxury with piece of mind

• Is Traralgon - Bairnsdale one Staff Section or are their two sections Traralgon - Sale - Bairnsdale?
• If it is normally one section and Sale is an Intermediate Staff Station 'When Necessary' is the Staff 'Divisible' or how is this handled?

Thanks David.
Now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection that the Tea and Sugar was rescheduled late in its life no doubt due to the reduction in Gangs etc at line locations.
We have yet to unearth someone who can answer:

• Are Tickets used, either regularly or occasionally, in Victoria under Staff and Ticket working?

Staff and Ticket working is alive and well in Victoria  It is being used on the Maryborough at Ararat line and for the real adventurus ,one can even real behind a real ,not a tourist railway but Public Transport Corporation run two passenger trains under the staff and ticket system Catch the Pass from Southern Cross  to Ararat and the last 100 kilometres from Ballarat to Ararat is Staff and Ticket ,with ticket boxes and tickets can be issued . Or for the traveller who likes to spend a little more time away catch the pass from Southern Cross  to Bairnsdale were the last 120 kilometres from Traralgon 2Bairnsdale is Train Staff and Ticket with Sale opening as an intermediate Staff Station when required So catch the Vlocity railcar to these two destinations,
2018 tecnology with 1870 safeworking sheer luxury with piece of mind

Thanks again David.

Could you please clarify for me:

• Is Traralgon - Bairnsdale one Staff Section or are their two sections Traralgon - Sale - Bairnsdale?
• If it is normally one section and Sale is an Intermediate Staff Station 'When Necessary' is the Staff 'Divisible' or how is this handled?

Just curious.