Rant - Fuel Prices!

 
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Don't know about that ap you are using but petrolspy.com.au seems to clearly show all the brands and prices. Today there is about a 20c range from lowest to highest. Bowenville one of the cheapest.
RTT_Rules
20c range in Dalby? Nah, unleaded 91 ranges from 141.7 to 147.9 (as per petrolspy and my own observations confirm). Bowenville 139.9, but I wouldn't drive a ~60km round trip to save 1.8c/l! If I was going eastwards I'd fill up in Toowoomba and save 9.8c/l.

Interesting that since the Toowoomba bypass has opened, the servos at Charlton have raised their prices, currently 150.9. What a ripoff!

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  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
Interesting that since the Toowoomba bypass has opened, the servos at Charlton have raised their prices, currently 150.9. What a ripoff!
Graham4405
Which shows that no one should bypass Toowoomba. You should all stop and spend here. Laughing   Goodnight.
  Trans-Siberian Station Master

Location: Krasnoyarsk, Siberia
Spare a thought to the dangers of Lithium battery fires and also potential electrical danger to passengers and first responders are issues to also consider....

and also you can't use water....

Electric car explosive fire - Dad rescued daughter (2) from burning electric vehicle -

https://www.youtube.co/watch?v=hkPMts4DS3Y

Tesla Model S Spontaneously on Fire in Los Angeles -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdaFk3w6rUY


Netherland Firefighters Dunk Smoking Electric Car In Liquid To Prevent Fire -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzJ6LperQUk

Fire chief: Tesla crash shows electric car fires could strain department resources -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3RNISfwa4E
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
For Graham mostly, but also anyone else who thinks E10 is economical - just stumbled across this on YouTube tonight.

Recall my thermodynamic calculations suggested that E10 is 3.5% worse than non ethanol fuel - that’s exactly what this guy found too.



https://youtu.be/bEf9Fdvx_Sc

E10 -4% efficiency vs non ethanol fuel.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

For Graham mostly, but also anyone else who thinks E10 is economical - just stumbled across this on YouTube tonight.

Recall my thermodynamic calculations suggested that E10 is 3.5% worse than non ethanol fuel - that’s exactly what this guy found too.

E10 -4% efficiency vs non ethanol fuel.
Aaron
As well as the inefficiency in burning it, there's also the inefficiency of ethanol production.

Ethanol also oxidises rubber, so people with cars not specifically labelled as being ethanol-compatible will need to regularly replace fuel system components (if they are lucky) or their whole car (if leaking fuel causes the car to go up in flames).
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

For Graham mostly, but also anyone else who thinks E10 is economical - just stumbled across this on YouTube tonight.

Recall my thermodynamic calculations suggested that E10 is 3.5% worse than non ethanol fuel - that’s exactly what this guy found too.

E10 -4% efficiency vs non ethanol fuel.
As well as the inefficiency in burning it, there's also the inefficiency of ethanol production.

Ethanol also oxidises rubber, so people with cars not specifically labelled as being ethanol-compatible will need to regularly replace fuel system components (if they are lucky) or their whole car (if leaking fuel causes the car to go up in flames).
justapassenger
As well, the production of ethanol, eats into valuable food supplies, sending the price of corn higher with negative consequences for countries where corn is a staple food. Ethanol is a bad move and is only a distraction to the inevitable move to electric cars.
  C2 Junior Train Controller

Yet I feel safer with fuel tankers all around me and fuel tanks. Or is that ti tree tankers and corn powered cars. Glad I have no batteries in my house that could explode while I sleeping with my family. Nothing is safe with technology even the Romens had bingles. Should of learnt from Hanabal and used nice safe elephants to pull the chariots.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
C2, I hold serious concerns for your health and general wellbeing, seriously, check yourself into rehab and get yourself off the drugs - they’re dangerous man.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
nswtrains, etc, while fuel ethanol is produced from corn in general, it rightly shouldn’t be, ethanol is obtainable just as easily, and with less market volatility for food prices from hydrocarbon sources.

That said when I last checked, such derivation of ethanol for fuel purposes was prohibited in the states, I do believe however that such methods are used in China.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
nswtrains, etc, while fuel ethanol is produced from corn in general, it rightly shouldn’t be, ethanol is obtainable just as easily, and with less market volatility for food prices from hydrocarbon sources.

That said when I last checked, such derivation of ethanol for fuel purposes was prohibited in the states, I do believe however that such methods are used in China.
Aaron
I could be wrong and probably am but to allow ethanol to be made from oil would mean that you open a can of worms as Ethanol is branded as a bio-fuel which in such cases then you need another govt department to regulate it.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Well governments could do the rational thing and just brand it ... I don’t know ... an alcohol... Production method doesn’t matter then.

It’s all mute, ethanol by any derivation is pointless in fuel.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
fuel ethanol is produced from corn in general
Aaron
Here in Dalby, ethanol is produced from sorghum.

https://www.unitedpetroleum.com.au/dalby-bio-refinery/
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
For Graham mostly, but also anyone else who thinks E10 is economical - just stumbled across this on YouTube tonight.

E10 -4% efficiency vs non ethanol fuel.
Aaron
I have no problem with that. I simply stated my observations as a driver. It hasn't been apparent to me that E10 performs any differently to 91 RON ULP. But I'm not a scientist or a mechanic!
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Well governments could do the rational thing and just brand it ... I don’t know ... an alcohol... Production method doesn’t matter then.

It’s all mute, ethanol by any derivation is pointless in fuel.
"Aaron"


I have no issue with growing fuel to reduce imports, however I do think its short lived energy source for transport as hydrocarbon's have started the transition out of the transport sector. Yes it may take half a century.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
For Graham mostly, but also anyone else who thinks E10 is economical - just stumbled across this on YouTube tonight.

E10 -4% efficiency vs non ethanol fuel.
Aaron
I have no problem with that. I simply stated my observations as a driver. It hasn't been apparent to me that E10 performs any differently to 91 RON ULP. But I'm not a scientist or a mechanic!
"Graham4405"


The average person wouldn't know the difference and I doubt even the non-average person outside a race track with precision timing equipment and professional drivers would know the difference either.

We used to buy E10 for our petrol fueled cars and still do for hire cars when back in Oz as I'd rather 10% of the fuel come from farmers in Oz than my neighbors Smile

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