Grain Harvest 2019-20

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
With trains loading in Western Victoria and travelling to Sydney and other places coupled with the excellent grain harvest in Vic we could be looking at even more traffic on the western line.

Would it have been cheaper to deliver to Portland and not Newcastle?  How do the port arrangements work?

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  justarider Assistant Commissioner

Location: Stuck on VR and hoping for better.
@bevans it's all about our wonderful "free market".

The fools up north wrote delivery contracts that they cannot get out of, even during the worst drought since...
Hence they have to buy some of what's  around at stupid prices, and bugger what the rest of the country desperately needs.

Portland has no chance of a look in. Its a different grain co.

Same BS as the gas "shortage".
The fools in far north contracted to deliver far more than they could ever get out of the ground. So they suck it out of Vic and SA , and again bugger the rest of the country; we're making oodles of cash.

cheers
John
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
@bevans it's all about our wonderful "free market".

The fools up north wrote delivery contracts that they cannot get out of, even during the worst drought since...
Hence they have to buy some of what's  around at stupid prices, and bugger what the rest of the country desperately needs.

Portland has no chance of a look in. Its a different grain co.

Same BS as the gas "shortage".
The fools in far north contracted to deliver far more than they could ever get out of the ground. So they suck it out of Vic and SA , and again bugger the rest of the country; we're making oodles of cash.

cheers
John
justarider

It is true that a lot of the current flows are the result of the free market. I don't know of anywhere in Oz that is going without grain - just that the export market is way down on what it normally is. The farmer's still get paid for their grain, the rail and trucking companies are making good money out of the current situation - the grain traders are probably making far too much money.

Very roughly 50% of the interstate grain is heading up to Narrabri and Morree for the feedlots in that area, possibly a little bit more. I'm waiting to be convinced the grain to Newcastle is going for export? If someone can show evidence that it is, as opposed to idle speculation, then please contribute. It's worth remembering that there are grain and feed processing facilities in the Newcastle area. Half a train recently was unloaded at the chook feed facility at Sulphide Jct. UPDATE - a source has suggested there was a grain ship in at Newcastle recently - hopefully TBC.

The grain processing facilities at Manildra, Maldon and Enfield continue to receive shipments of grain by interstate rail. The sub terminals at Parkes and Temora, and to a lesser extent Junee also receive interstate shipments. AFAIK no grain, as Carnot suggests, has gone for export via Port Kembla. Last season grain was shipped from Western Australia to Port Kembla and railed to Maldon and Enfield. The WA harvest is about 30% down on last year so whether that continues remains to be seen. Manildra also imported Canadian grain via Kembla.

So to summarise, very little is going for export, most of it is for domestic consumption either feedlots, the bread on your table, or the base on your next pizza. Even if a small proportion is going for export it probably ain't worth opening Portland for just one or two ships a year, if that. Trivia - the first export ship for the season out of Port Adelaide is not expected until February.
  justarider Assistant Commissioner

Location: Stuck on VR and hoping for better.
@bingley you missed the bit that the "fools in far north" are exporting gas. A bit different than feedlots.

cheers
John
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
@bingley you missed the bit that the "fools in far north" are exporting gas. A bit different than feedlots.

cheers
John
justarider

Response edited accordingly. Thanks.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
@bevans may get his wish after all Very Happy

ABSOLUTE OCCUPATION - PORTLAND LINE 0700hrs Wednesday the 8th of January 2020 until 1700hrs on Saturday the 22nd of February
2020. Scheduled work shifts 0700hrs to 1700hrs daily, weather permitting.

ARTC will be taking Absolute Occupation of the Portland Line from Signal Post 8 at Maroona to Signal Post 1 at Portland. Multiple work groups ranging from Signal technicians, tree trimming and signage crews through to re-sleepering crews will be working over the entire Maroona to Portland section during this period.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
@bevans may get his wish after all Very Happy

ABSOLUTE OCCUPATION - PORTLAND LINE 0700hrs Wednesday the 8th of January 2020 until 1700hrs on Saturday the 22nd of February
2020. Scheduled work shifts 0700hrs to 1700hrs daily, weather permitting.

ARTC will be taking Absolute Occupation of the Portland Line from Signal Post 8 at Maroona to Signal Post 1 at Portland. Multiple work groups ranging from Signal technicians, tree trimming and signage crews through to re-sleepering crews will be working over the entire Maroona to Portland section during this period.
bingley hall
But still grain out of Portland will only happen when Geelong and Appleton Dock export grain terminals are at capacity (because of It's low grain handling efficiency)
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Is there any way that Portland rail access can be efficiently reconfigured or is it a very hard project?
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Is there any way that Portland rail access can be efficiently reconfigured or is it a very hard project?
james.au
Well of course the answer is yes, james but as has been said 650 times nobody has the inclination to do so. If GrainCorp was gunna do something, they would have included it in the regeneration projects a few years ago and above all else, the Port owners are in love with their wood chips.

The rail site itself is in a right royal prick of a spot, reckon the minimum balloon loop is 400 metres in radius so unless you had a drive over grid a couple of K's back up the line and a huge conveyor belt which is not unheard of, the job is in the too hard basket.

Anyhow the unloading process at Portland will suit the Lillimur site it's run by a steam powered traction enginge, they may even contract BG to shovel coal.........Razz



The rail yard is just below all the piles of logs and RustyRick will have to be on high alert, looks like Y115 hasn't logged in for about a month, might have to get mum with her Instamatic out, trains all but go through her lounge room.

BigShunter.

don't suppose they are doing the renovations in readiness to close the line......Shocked.......Wink
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
The hassle is breaking up the train right?  Even if they had to do a runaround i wouldnt imagine it would be that much more cost than a balloon?  Which means that the conveyer belt option could work.

Though of course, current evidence is that it is not worth doing at the moment.

I do wonder if the day is coming where Appleton is closed in favour of containers though. I need to read up on the PoM strategic plan.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Some more news on the harvest from the crew at Grain Central with a couple of additional sites listed as having record receivals.

https://www.graincentral.com/markets/big-victorian-intake-lifts-graincorp-receivals-to-3-27mt/
Note that they expect much of the harvest to remain on farm or be sold direct to domestic end users bypassing the handlers.

A great year for the Wimmera no doubt eh Shunter!
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Absolutely BG, a great year in many ways not only for the grain producers but it means there is going to be a lot of work for a lot of people to shift all this grain and hay I guess.

Also it has to be mentioned it is fantastic news for all the drought effected producers that will rely on this grain to keep the stock or even base stock alive or face the prospect of in the worst case loosing their property or business.

Further info here from yesterdays Wimmera MailTimes;

GrainCorp has confirmed more of its Wimmera sites have received record amounts of Grain this harvest.

It comes as GrainCorp has confirmed it has received record amounts of grain from surrounding growers at its Lillimur, Nhill, Rainbow and Warracknabeal sites.

Corporate Affairs Manager Jess Simons said Carpolac recorded its second record receival year in a row with just over 36KMT of produce.

"Rainbow, Donald and Warracknabeal were the sites that received over 100KMT each more than last year," she said.

"We also expect sites at Natimuk, Jeparit, Westmere and Berrybank to hit record receivals in the coming weeks."

Link from yesterdays Wimmera MailTimes;

https://www.mailtimes.com.au/story/6563009/harvest-2020-graincorp-receives-record-amounts-at-wimmera-sites-updated/?cs=225

Carpolac for those who are unaware of it's location is the end of the old Goroke line, which will be as will Goroke, trucked to where ever, Nati the same, so unavoidably some beastly trucks but again, these people are earning some coin.

Rainbow and Jeparit...... well lets hope the crew when finished the Portland line, shift camp and spruce up this line.

While we have seen some of the worst mother nature can dish out lately, this huge harvest was grown of fairly minimal rainfall so sometimes mother nature works in our favor.

BigShunter.
  Richard stroker Junior Train Controller

Apparently natimuk was at full capacity for canola just before Christmas and new deliveries being diverted, I think to murtoa
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
What a disaster for NSW and Qld again.  Plenty of trains to run to NNSW this year again.

Any idea of what the quality is like in the Victorian harvest guys?   High or low protein?
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
I'm on a roll here.....

State government, V-Line and GrainCorp work to get Rainbow freight line back in action after strong harvest in the Wimmera in 2020.

It comes as the government says it is working with V-Line to get trains running on the Rainbow to Dimboola rail line. V-Line notified freight operators in July freight trains would be unable to use the line due to safety concerns. It has remained closed during harvest.

GrainCorp was in discussions with the state government about the Rainbow line reopening.

The Mail-Times contacted the office of Transport Minister Jacinta Allan about whether the government would consider upgrading the Rainbow and Hopetoun railway lines to handle heavier wagon loads, given the increased yield.   Excellent question and suggestion.

In response, a spokeswoman said the stateand federal governments were assessing options for maintenance on Murray Basin lines.

"We'll continue to work with V/Line to determine the best way to restore track conditions between Rainbow and Dimboola and get freight trains running on the line," she said.

https://www.mailtimes.com.au/story/6572983/harvest-2020-wimmera-windfall-puts-rail-freight-in-spotlight/?cs=225

todays Wimmera MailTimes.

BigShunter.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Nice pickup Shunter, really interesting article that one. Delves into the road network loading (Dimmy > Rainbow), SCT looking for funding to expand Dooen etc etc.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Actually one point to note here is that the private buyers are not in these numbers.  A trader in NSW told me that his firm and another had more grain receivers than GrainCorp's total network last year.  Given how GrainCorp is comparatively reactive when it comes to receivals (ie it is a site operator and doesnt offer trucking services like the private guys to to collect volumes into their sites) this is unsurprising.
  Y115 Chief Train Controller

Location: Portland
I'm still here with camera ready for the first train that arrives as long as it turns up while I'm still alive.  Seemed pointless posting nothing for the last twelve months or more.
We do have a grain ship in port at the moment, she's loading from a portable grain terminal on Berth 5 (not a normal grain berth).
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I'm still here with camera ready for the first train that arrives as long as it turns up while I'm still alive.  Seemed pointless posting nothing for the last twelve months or more.
We do have a grain ship in port at the moment, she's loading from a portable grain terminal on Berth 5 (not a normal grain berth).
Y115
Bit slack there Y115. You could have done a picture every day / week / month and posted it so we could have proof that nothing has indeed happened! Nice to hear that you are still out and about and hopefully some action soon on the Portland thread.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
'"We'll continue to work with V/Line to determine the best way to restore track conditions between Rainbow and Dimboola and get freight trains running on the line," she said.'

Where (and in what form) are V/line's responsibilities so far as maintenance of the Victorian freight network laid down? Do they follow any such charter or Act of Parliament or do they just do as they like so far as freight line maintenance and standards are concerned?
  cbinyon Train Controller

Location: London, England
SSR running another BG grainy on the Manangatang branch to Quambatook, the second in a week I believe. Steady traffic with 2 -3 Ultima Hay trains running on the same line too. Still no sign of QUBE or PN BG grain activation.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Wonderful news and exciting tunes for the manangatang line. Hearing from a friend the silos a bursting north of manangatang to robinvale. Should also renew the track as not in bad condition.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Qube ran a BG grain on 12/1

S317-S302 9151 Down QUBE BG Grain
  ADB Locomotive Driver

Wonderful news and exciting tunes for the manangatang line. Hearing from a friend the silos a bursting north of manangatang to robinvale. Should also renew the track as not in bad condition.
freightgate

Maybe if they didn't waste money on railside music, they'd have more money to fix the track. Very Happy
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Qube ran a BG grain on 12/1

S317-S302 9151 Down QUBE BG Grain
freightgate

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