Regional Rail Revival - Geelong / Warrnambool Line Projects

 
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

The equipment has been removed from the actual coaches.
Only exceptions are the Mckenzies Coach to Eildon (which is listed as route 684) and the McHarry's coaches to Apollo Bay, where Myki can only be used between Geelong and Jan Juc for some reason. As Silvermoth says this could be used to boost tourism along the Surf Coast a little bit, and I can't imagine a reason why the Mykis can't be used past Jan Juc.
stooge spark
Mc Harrys operate two bus services to Torquay and Jan Juc :

-  Bellarine Transit frequent service which has been on Myki for over 5 years
-  V/Line Apollol Bay & Lorne services via Torquay & Jan Juc 3 - 4 trips a day .

First you must use Myki
Second uses Myki only for travel as far as Torquay and Jan Juc as in bellarine Transit .  Travel beyond Jan Juc is on paper tickets.

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  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

myki would require some modification to deal with reservations, as it would with any touch-on-and-off system.
kitchgp
No alterations to Myki required for longer distance services. Two issues here the ticket to travel and seat reservations.

One uses the Myki for the ticket to travel, and if you want a reserved seat then you book that separately just like PAHOS do now, or travel in the non booked carriages.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

myki would require some modification to deal with reservations, as it would with any touch-on-and-off system.
No alterations to Myki required for longer distance services. Two issues here the ticket to travel and seat reservations.

One uses the Myki for the ticket to travel, and if you want a reserved seat then you book that separately just like PAHOS do now, or travel in the non booked carriages.
kuldalai
Is First Class still available on long distance trains? How would that be handled with Myki?
  route14 Chief Commissioner

There are first class on other Myki covered services.  You can purchase a "first class upgrade" in conjunction with Myki.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
There are first class on other Myki covered services.  You can purchase a "first class upgrade" in conjunction with Myki.
route14
You certainly can, I purchased a First Class Upgrade on an Up Swan Hill service from Castlemaine just before Christmas, it costs around $8.50 and you have to buy it from station staff before you board.

Obviously you can't do this on a V/Locity service ATM as they are one class fits all however there is no reason why a V/locity service couldn't have reserved cars like the Loco hauled ones do, the seat numbers are already there and all. It might take pax a while to get used to but that wouldn't be an issue.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Reserved seating Vlocity already operate on Bairnsdale line.
  Contrillion Junior Train Controller

Location: Geelong, Victoria
I can't imagine a reason why the Mykis can't be used past Jan Juc.
stooge spark
As mentioned, the Geelong/Bellarine suburban bus network already extends to Jan Juc (zone 5). This, coupled with the fact that the same operator also runs the V/Line Apollo Bay coaches, are the only reasons myki can be used at all on the service.

Not in this particular case, but myki on regional coach services exacerbate the issues of the concentric zone system. It would make certain routes exponentially cheaper than they are now (ie Albury to Swan Hill, currently $49.20 but likely within a few zones of each other, so most likely less than $10 on myki).
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

I can't imagine a reason why the Mykis can't be used past Jan Juc.
As mentioned, the Geelong/Bellarine suburban bus network already extends to Jan Juc (zone 5). This, coupled with the fact that the same operator also runs the V/Line Apollo Bay coaches, are the only reasons myki can be used at all on the service.

Not in this particular case, but myki on regional coach services exacerbate the issues of the concentric zone system. It would make certain routes exponentially cheaper than they are now (ie Albury to Swan Hill, currently $49.20 but likely within a few zones of each other, so most likely less than $10 on myki).
Contrillion
As I recall that's the fundamental issue with expanding myki - outside the concentric fare zones distance-based fares have been used for a long time and it's not easy to retrofit that onto the myki system.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
As I recall that's the fundamental issue with expanding myki - outside the concentric fare zones distance-based fares have been used for a long time and it's not easy to retrofit that onto the myki system.
potatoinmymouth
Fares on MYKI services are charged based on zones.

Currently the zoning system ends at for example Bendigo (Epsom / Eaglehawk) and does not apply to Swan Hill / Echuca lines

https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/assets/default-site/tickets/fares/Zones/12b91217e1/PTVH4002-Regional-Network-Map-with-Zones_A4L_v3_FA.pdf

For rail services it would surely be simple enough to add additional zones to the system (surely this was thought of during developement.......). And I assume this would work with most Coach services - if you get the Daylesford Road Coach after catching a V/Line service to Woodend is this all covered by MYKI zoning?
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Woodend - Daylesford was a separate fare a couple of years back. About $4 from memory.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
As I recall that's the fundamental issue with expanding myki - outside the concentric fare zones distance-based fares have been used for a long time and it's not easy to retrofit that onto the myki system.
Fares on MYKI services are charged based on zones.

Currently the zoning system ends at for example Bendigo (Epsom / Eaglehawk) and does not apply to Swan Hill / Echuca lines

https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/assets/default-site/tickets/fares/Zones/12b91217e1/PTVH4002-Regional-Network-Map-with-Zones_A4L_v3_FA.pdf

For rail services it would surely be simple enough to add additional zones to the system (surely this was thought of during development.......). And I assume this would work with most Coach services - if you get the Daylesford Road Coach after catching a V/Line service to Woodend is this all covered by MYKI zoning?
BrentonGolding

Years ago when the myki rollout was going to cover the whole state, I recall Mildura being in Zone 20 or Zone 22 and furthermore, if I catch the bus from Castlemaine to Ballarat I normally touch on my myki at Castlemaine, touch off at Ballarat even though strictly speaking I should have purchased a ticket from Castlemaine station. The bus driver doesn't care as his company's revenue for operating the bus remains the same.

Mike.
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
I can't imagine a reason why the Mykis can't be used past Jan Juc.
As mentioned, the Geelong/Bellarine suburban bus network already extends to Jan Juc (zone 5). This, coupled with the fact that the same operator also runs the V/Line Apollo Bay coaches, are the only reasons myki can be used at all on the service.

Not in this particular case, but myki on regional coach services exacerbate the issues of the concentric zone system. It would make certain routes exponentially cheaper than they are now (ie Albury to Swan Hill, currently $49.20 but likely within a few zones of each other, so most likely less than $10 on myki).
As I recall that's the fundamental issue with expanding myki - outside the concentric fare zones distance-based fares have been used for a long time and it's not easy to retrofit that onto the myki system.
potatoinmymouth
This not true - if was done with zones 3 to 13 and which long time was based on V/Line units fares (distance fares)

Zone 13 is the same price as 170 unit V/Line distance fare.

"Years ago when the myki rollout was going to cover the whole state, I recall Mildura being in Zone 20 or Zone 22 and furthermore, if I catch the bus from Castlemaine to Ballarat I normally touch on my myki at Castlemaine, touch off at Ballarat even though strictly speaking I should have purchased a ticket from Castlemaine station. The bus driver doesn't care as his company's revenue for operating the bus remains the same.
Mike."

It would have been zone 30 because it's a 600 unit V/Line fare from Melbourne and which placed it in zone 30 if Myki was done for the whole state.




Zone 3 to 13 prices are the same as V/Line distance unit fares.
  Contrillion Junior Train Controller

Location: Geelong, Victoria
...if I catch the bus from Castlemaine to Ballarat I normally touch on my myki at Castlemaine, touch off at Ballarat even though strictly speaking I should have purchased a ticket from Castlemaine station. The bus driver doesn't care as his company's revenue for operating the bus remains the same.

Mike.
The Vinelander
There's a prime example of the concentric zones making these 'cross-country' trips a lot cheaper in many cases. myki in this case is only ~28% of the paper fare.

Theoretically I could do the same when I catch the Geelong > Ballarat coaches (invariably operated by Gold Bus), however a V/Line station staff member is always checking for paper tickets when boarding. The saving in this instance would be less (myki being 87.5% of the paper ticket equivalent).
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Looking at the proposed works and the timetable for those works.

Waltons Road, Buckley level crossing upgrade - May 2020

Construction is starting soon on the Waltons Road level crossing upgrade, one of 12 level crossings being upgraded between Waurn Ponds and Warrnambool to improve safety for train passengers and motorists.

Thanks for your patience while this important work is underway. What we are doing We’re upgrading the Waltons Road level crossing. The level crossing will feature boom gates, flashing lights and bells and better train detection technology.

Works will include: digging trenches near the crossing earthworks installing boom gates. Work will begin in late May and is expected to take around four weeks.

What to be aware of Once works start you may notice an increase in construction vehicles entering and exiting the work site area via Buckley South Road.

Traffic management will be in place as needed. There will be heavy equipment at the crossing site and in the rail corridor. Works will take place during the day and there may be some construction noise and additional lighting. Health and safety

The health and safety of our workers and the community is our key priority as we continue to deliver the Warrnambool Line

Upgrade, as is supporting physical distancing measures in line with current health advice.

We have strict protocols in place to protect the safety of our construction workforce, including enhanced industrial cleaning arrangements, provision of personal protective equipment and measures to reduce staff contact, including staggered shifts.
RPV


Did the crossing get finished in the May 2020 timeframe as planned?
  historian Deputy Commissioner

Looking at the proposed works and the timetable for those works.

Waltons Road, Buckley level crossing upgrade - May 2020

Construction is starting soon on the Waltons Road level crossing upgrade, one of 12 level crossings being upgraded between Waurn Ponds and Warrnambool to improve safety for train passengers and motorists.

[...] Work will begin in late May and is expected to take around four weeks.


Did the crossing get finished in the May 2020 timeframe as planned?
bevans

The boom barriers were commissioned on 6 July.

Depending on when in May the media statement was issued, this was either just over or a fair bit over.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Some derails now emerging on the proposed Stabling Project for V/Line at Waurn Ponds.









That is a lot of tracks but the design is such any access blocked by a train or derailment will render the balloon track inaccessible.
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
Some derails now emerging on the proposed Stabling Project for V/Line at Waurn Ponds.









That is a lot of tracks but the design is such any access blocked by a train or derailment will render the balloon track inaccessible.
"bevans"


Is it me or are these photos not displaying properly?

Neil
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
Some derails now emerging on the proposed Stabling Project for V/Line at Waurn Ponds.

"bevans"


Is it me or are these photos not displaying properly?

Neil
"ngarner"
don't you like black boxes and blinking progress bar. @bevans is working his guts out to solve.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Working fine on Firefox. What balloon track?
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

Working fine on Firefox. What balloon track?
kitchgp
I can't see a balloon track either. Looks like an access road. The diagram isn't particularly clear either way, although that's partly because it's so zoomed out you can't read the key.
  jakar Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
That is a lot of tracks but the design is such any access blocked by a train or derailment will render the balloon track inaccessible.
Bevans
Its no different to the majority of other locations on the network. Would you prefer each road had an individual point off the main line?
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
Some derails now emerging on the proposed Stabling Project for V/Line at Waurn Ponds.

"bevans"


Is it me or are these photos not displaying properly?

Neil
"ngarner"
don't you like black boxes and blinking progress bar. @bevans is working his guts out to solve.
"justarider"


As Kitchgp says it works with Firefox but not in Brave - oh well seen them now & I agree there's no balloon loop shown there

Neil
  L1150 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Pakenham Vic.
Some derails now emerging on the proposed Stabling Project for V/Line at Waurn Ponds.


Is it me or are these photos not displaying properly?

Neil
don't you like black boxes and blinking progress bar. @bevans is working his guts out to solve.


As Kitchgp says it works with Firefox but not in Brave - oh well seen them now & I agree there's no balloon loop shown there

Neil
ngarner
Normally when I come to Railpage, I don't login unless I want to reply to a post. I too get black boxes with little flashing dots in the middle. I am using Firefox but since my computers are a little "elderly" (like their owner!), I'm limited to an earlier version. However, when I loged on, the pics became visible! I guess it is better for me to logon each time I come to Railpage if I want to see pics in posts.Very Happy L1150
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
Some derails now emerging on the proposed Stabling Project for V/Line at Waurn Ponds.


Is it me or are these photos not displaying properly?

Neil
don't you like black boxes and blinking progress bar. @bevans is working his guts out to solve.


As Kitchgp says it works with Firefox but not in Brave - oh well seen them now & I agree there's no balloon loop shown there

Neil
ngarner
Normally when I come to Railpage, I don't login unless I want to reply to a post. I too get black boxes with little flashing dots in the middle. I am using Firefox but since my computers are a little "elderly" (like their owner!), I'm limited to an earlier version. However, when I loged on, the pics became visible! I guess it is better for me to logon each time I come to Railpage if I want to see pics in posts.Very Happy L1150
"L1150"


Whereas my laptop is near new and logs me into Railpage automatically yet I still get lots of the 'picture not displaying' images. As noted Firefox displays some better than Brave for some reason.

Neil
  route14 Chief Commissioner

The server has been working intermittently for the recent few days.  On my tablet the page often goes to a simplified version with light grey background, black text and blue links, and all buttons shown as links.  When that happens the left-most part of text is out of the screen, and when I try to reply in that version it prompts "phantom post".

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