Questions that you've always been too embarrassed to ask

 
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Second question, also not that embarrassing, but why doesnt intermediate intermodal work on the Sydney-Brisbane corridor?  Trucks are competitive but has anyone had a look at say Coffs or something for an intermodal?  I dont see any intermodalitis in this corridor and am wondering why...

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  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Not really an embarrassing question but a small one. What was the first diesel locomotive to travel east to west all the way?  Sydney to Perth or vv.
james.au
Assuming you mean east to west powering a train on the standard gauge?  Have to be after the Sydney Broken Hill South Australia standard gauge opened with the Broken Hill ceremony 29 November 1969. Melbourne Adelaide standard gauge was 1995 and Adelaide Port Pirie standard gauge was 1982.

If including gauge conversions and hauled not powering a train to Perth, look up the first WA diesel built on the east coast and railed to Perth. Some English Electric diesels built at Rocklea Brisbane went by ship to WA.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Probably a CL class (CL 1 ?) which was new at the time of the Peterborough standardisation. ???

CR intended to run the inaugural Indian Pacific with a single ~new CL but 'in view of the exceptional locomotive power allocated to the train by the NSWGR and SAR' it was decided that the train be hauled by a CL and two GMs over the TAR.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

The first loco to run east to west (or vv) on a single train would not have happened until there was through running agreements in place with NSW.  When did a single (or two) loco begin running through Broken Hill to Sydney?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Even today (2020) do Indian Pacific engines work through from Sydney to Perth and vv or is there normally an engine change in Adelaide?
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
The first loco to run east to west (or vv) on a single train would not have happened until there was through running agreements in place with NSW.  When did a single (or two) loco begin running through Broken Hill to Sydney?
duttonbay
Yes, I agree and that is why I suspect it was a standard gauge loco on delivery to WA. They had through running agreements as they were specific for the delivery, rather than general agreements such as a NSW loco working into Port Pirie or a Comm Rail unit working into Perth,on a regular daily arrangement.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Last time I rode the IP it was eastbound. One NR hauled it from Perth to Adelaide, then the same NR continued to Sydney, aided by a DL. Now I think the second loco is an 81, but will stand correcting.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The first loco to run east to west (or vv) on a single train would not have happened until there was through running agreements in place with NSW.  When did a single (or two) loco begin running through Broken Hill to Sydney?
Yes, I agree and that is why I suspect it was a standard gauge loco on delivery to WA. They had through running agreements as they were specific for the delivery, rather than general agreements such as a NSW loco working into Port Pirie or a Comm Rail unit working into Perth,on a regular daily arrangement.
petan
The WAGR L class were all delivered (around 1967 - 1969 if VigSig is correct) all (?) prior to the through Sydney - Perth SG. I think (?) that they were hauled through Victoria and IIRC they were hauled dead across the TAR. Open to correction as always.

I was, initially, inclined to think that it was perhaps CL 1 that ran the first entire Sydney - Perth journey under power albeit with a short stopover at Port Augusta before taking over the inaugural westbound Indian Pacific but on reflection see that this would only have been to Kalgoorlie where WAGR power took over.

So my short answer is, like Sergeant Schultz, 'I know nothing' but it may well have been somewhat more recent.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Last time I rode the IP it was eastbound. One NR hauled it from Perth to Adelaide, then the same NR continued to Sydney, aided by a DL. Now I think the second loco is an 81, but will stand correcting.
Valvegear
Thanks Valvegear.
The DLs were a pretty much 'low profile' locomotive compared to just about everything else.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Last time I rode the IP it was eastbound. One NR hauled it from Perth to Adelaide, then the same NR continued to Sydney, aided by a DL. Now I think the second loco is an 81, but will stand correcting.
Thanks Valvegear.
The DLs were a pretty much 'low profile' locomotive compared to just about everything else.
YM-Mundrabilla
I saw it a few weeks back with the second loco being an AN, so it would seem that there are multiple options which can do that job.
  n459L1150 Train Controller

Location: at sunbury on a V/line service into melbourne, waiting for thousands of impatient people to get on
Is a Train Pilot like a Harbour Pilot? who are they employed by?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The SG line between Melbourne and Wodonga has had some of the original crossing loops removed, and others lengthened. Can anyone please tell me where the loops are now, and how long each is?
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

The SG line between Melbourne and Wodonga has had some of the original crossing loops removed, and others lengthened. Can anyone please tell me where the loops are now, and how long each is?
Valvegear
Vicsig seems to have a reasonable diagram of the current(ish) situation:
https://vicsig.net/infrastructure/line/North-East-SG
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
According to the latest ARTC Network Information Book, you have the following:

Dual track from #13 points at Wodonga to #107 points at Seymour, then;
Tallarook, 6.185km from TLK6/TLK18 to TLK4/TLK16 signal, with a pair of intermediate signals about halfway through.
Kilmore East, 6.023km, from MPR6/MPR18 to KME4/KME16 signal, with a pair of intermediate signals about halfway through.
Wallan, 1.571km, from WLN6/WLNU6 to WLN4/WLNU4
Donnybrook, 6.109 from DBK6 to DBK4. Very slightly less (9m) in the loop.
Somerton, 1.580km from SOM6/SOMU6 to SOM4/SOMU4, very slightly less (20m) via #3 road.
McIntyre, 0.86km from MCT6/MCT18 to MCT4/MCT20, very slightly less (10m) via #3 road.
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
According to the latest ARTC Network Information Book, you have the following:

Dual track from #13 points at Wodonga to #107 points at Seymour, then;
Tallarook, 6.185km from TLK6/TLK18 to TLK4/TLK16 signal, with a pair of intermediate signals about halfway through.
Kilmore East, 6.023km, from MPR6/MPR18 to KME4/KME16 signal, with a pair of intermediate signals about halfway through.
Wallan, 1.571km, from WLN6/WLNU6 to WLN4/WLNU4
Donnybrook, 6.109 from DBK6 to DBK4. Very slightly less (9m) in the loop.
Somerton, 1.580km from SOM6/SOMU6 to SOM4/SOMU4, very slightly less (20m) via #3 road.
McIntyre, 0.86km from MCT6/MCT18 to MCT4/MCT20, very slightly less (10m) via #3 road.
KRviator

+ Tullamarine.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
According to the latest ARTC Network Information Book, you have the following:

Dual track from #13 points at Wodonga to #107 points at Seymour, then;
Tallarook, 6.185km from TLK6/TLK18 to TLK4/TLK16 signal, with a pair of intermediate signals about halfway through.
Kilmore East, 6.023km, from MPR6/MPR18 to KME4/KME16 signal, with a pair of intermediate signals about halfway through.
Wallan, 1.571km, from WLN6/WLNU6 to WLN4/WLNU4
Donnybrook, 6.109 from DBK6 to DBK4. Very slightly less (9m) in the loop.
Somerton, 1.580km from SOM6/SOMU6 to SOM4/SOMU4, very slightly less (20m) via #3 road.
McIntyre, 0.86km from MCT6/MCT18 to MCT4/MCT20, very slightly less (10m) via #3 road.
KRviator

+ Tullamarine.
"Fatty"
DoH! I missed that. Dual-gauge track for 6.041km.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
To duttonbay, KRviator and Fatty, thanks for taking the time and trouble to put up the answers I wanted. . . much appreciated.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
When 4472 came here in the 80s was it fully converted to air brakes?
  hbedriver Chief Train Controller

Now you’re stretching the grey matter.

The loco arrived fitted with air system. A compressor was (ISTR) fitted beneath the boiler, laying horizontal. A brake valve unknown to we Australians was supplied, looked a bit like an A6 handle and top. It just was what the Poms used, didn’t take us long to pick up.

I cannot remember whether it had vacuum brakes as well.

Training for us was basically reading the book. My copy is in storage at the moment pending house move.

They also had injectors we hadn’t seen, vertical screw for the reverser, and no headlights for the first several trips.

Gee, those were great days. Been behind it at 80mph along the long straights around Euroa, of course that was before ARTC “fixed” the track.

And they probably could never do it now, with all the Regulators and privatization.
  safeworking Station Master

Location: Bungendore
What I remember is that a westinghouse type air pump was placed between the frames in front of the firebox. Not a great place servicing and reliability, all heat and dust. An air brake valve actuated the train brakes and, I think, an air/vacuum proportioning valve actuated the loco and tender vacuum brakes.
  WimbledonW Junior Train Controller

The SG line between Melbourne and Wodonga has had some of the original crossing loops removed, and others lengthened. Can anyone please tell me where the loops are now, and how long each is?
"Valvegear"


See this map for Wallan, where that accident occurred, and move left and right to see other stations and loops. http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/Pdf%20files/ARTC/AR208.pdf There is a separate page listing the mileage of signals.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
When 4472 came here in the 80s was it fully converted to air brakes?
"Dangersdan707"
It had to have air brakes fitted; it hauled NSW rolling stock which was all Westinghouse equipped.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
When 4472 came here in the 80s was it fully converted to air brakes?
It had to have air brakes fitted; it hauled NSW rolling stock which was all Westinghouse equipped.
Valvegear
That I don't doubt. I has checking to see if they did a similar thing as per what was done Pendennis castle with the Air brakes being hidden in the water gin, with the loco retaining vacuum brakes. (Only what I've read!)
  hbedriver Chief Train Controller

4472 arrived into Australia with air brakes already fitted. At that stage, much of the UK mainline running already needed air brakes, so nothing special there.

The largest change made to the loco (you’ve probably seen the photo) was the short-lived conversion to broad gauge. Unfortunately the Poms got wind of it, and the loco was hastily converted back to narrow gauge. There was a trial run of it attached to 707 at South Dynon; you may have seen the photo. One of the Pommy magazines (Steam Railway?) featured it, the Poms went spare
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
4472 arrived into Australia with air brakes already fitted. At that stage, much of the UK mainline running already needed air brakes, so nothing special there.

The largest change made to the loco (you’ve probably seen the photo) was the short-lived conversion to broad gauge. Unfortunately the Poms got wind of it, and the loco was hastily converted back to narrow gauge. There was a trial run of it attached to 707 at South Dynon; you may have seen the photo. One of the Pommy magazines (Steam Railway?) featured it, the Poms went spare
hbedriver
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