Future of Overland train service in doubt

 
Topic moved from News by dthead on 25 Nov 2019 19:16
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Air traffic has been massively cut, bus traffic cut a fair bit, Overland? Well there’s not much left to cut...
Aaron
It still has more than one carriage, surely they could cut those ones off (leaving just one) and still have an Overland?


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  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
There was something like 5 return coach services a day.

Firefly x 2
Greyhound x 2
V/Line day link x 1
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Reported elsewhere bus services between ADELAIDE and MELBOURNE have been cut back quite a bit.

Was this a recent change?
I haven't seen anything either - please enlighten us Freight gate -
don_dunstan
Feightgate  is now driving the bus and he's only running them from Ballan to Tailem Bend   Razz

BigShunter.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Reported elsewhere bus services between ADELAIDE and MELBOURNE have been cut back quite a bit.

Was this a recent change?
I haven't seen anything either - please enlighten us Freight gate -
Feightgate  is now driving the bus and he's only running them from Ballan to Tailem Bend   Razz

BigShunter.
BigShunter
Ballan to Tailem Bend would make it very useful for The Vinelander who would no doubt be using it dozens of times a month. Handy, convenient.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Air traffic has been massively cut, bus traffic cut a fair bit, Overland? Well there’s not much left to cut...
It still has more than one carriage, surely they could cut those ones off (leaving just one) and still have an Overland?


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james.au
It could be substituted by a rubber-wheeled road-running Overland.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I was wondering why I hadn't seen any of your usual repetitive, miserable doom and gloom posts today don, it was a pleasant change for a few hours.

I have been quite perplexed by the level of negativity surrounding the train.  Took it yesterday from Adelaide to Melbourne and despite all the coronavirus issues there were plenty of people aboard and not many looked like gunzels.   I will post a trip report separately but the service ran well, train was comfortable and a good ride for most of the way.  Plenty of people leaving and coming aboard at various stops along the way highlighting the need for the train not necessarily as a service between two city pairs but as a valuable service for all intermediate stations along the way it services.
bevans

Today's return was less than 100 passengers in all classes, around 50% capacity in Premium. To be fair it was sold out a couple of weeks ago, but people have been cancelling at a high levels in the last 2-3 days.

17 people joined en route, harder to see how many got off though I think it was a much lower number, maybe less than 5.

The flight over (Virgin) was less than 2/3 full and the Melbourne CBD was eerily quiet yesterday evening. I got a decent room 5 minutes walk from Southern Cross for $83.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

I would now be looking at the coming current demise of The Ghan and Indian Pacific giving the current situation, if I were GSR (or whoever) now is the time for the Overland could be their only train left to operate.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
I would now be looking at the coming current demise of The Ghan and Indian Pacific giving the current situation, if I were GSR (or whoever) now is the time for the Overland could be their only train left to operate.
trainbrain
Interesting point.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Today's return was less than 100 passengers in all classes, around 50% capacity in Premium. To be fair it was sold out a couple of weeks ago, but people have been cancelling at a high levels in the last 2-3 days.

17 people joined en route, harder to see how many got off though I think it was a much lower number, maybe less than 5.

The flight over (Virgin) was less than 2/3 full and the Melbourne CBD was eerily quiet yesterday evening. I got a decent room 5 minutes walk from Southern Cross for $83.
bingley hall
Nice work Bingley picking up a bargin there and travel report.

Me sister cruised over from Hamilton to Victa Arba yesterday and the main street is the same, ghost town.
Said to ' The Cheese N Kisses ' by the looks they might be getting paid to stay, tough times  Exclamation

BigShunter.
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
The SA Premier is closing the SA state borders from 4pm Tuesday, I would say Tuesdays Overland from Melbourne will be the last.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I'm going home tomorrow to beat the curfew - be interested to see how many people there are on the bus.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The SA Premier is closing the SA state borders from 4pm Tuesday, I would say Tuesdays Overland from Melbourne will be the last.
nscaler69
They actually cannot close the border, against the Constitution, what they are doing is making you sign a document "

The State Government will establish 12 border crossings where travellers will be required to sign a declaration about their health and ability to undertake mandatory self-isolation for two weeks."

How many road border crossings into SA?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The SA Premier is closing the SA state borders from 4pm Tuesday, I would say Tuesdays Overland from Melbourne will be the last.
They actually cannot close the border, against the Constitution, what they are doing is making you sign a document "

The State Government will establish 12 border crossings where travellers will be required to sign a declaration about their health and ability to undertake mandatory self-isolation for two weeks."

How many road border crossings into SA?
RTT_Rules
Metaphorically they ARE - if I try and get back into South Australia after 4pm Tuesday then I have to go into self-isolation for two weeks and I won't be able to go to work, shopping or anything else for that matter. So call it what you want, effectively the border is being closed EXCEPT to transport workers and essential service workers, who will not have to self-isolate.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
NB: If you are in 'self-isolation' they'll send the police around to your house to make sure you are home at random intervals - so it's not an option.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I would now be looking at the coming current demise of The Ghan and Indian Pacific giving the current situation, if I were GSR (or whoever) now is the time for the Overland could be their only train left to operate.
Interesting point.
wobert
Difference is IP and GHAN cover their operating costs from the revenue collected from selling seats, The Overland doesn't. No  subsidy, no Overland regardless of what is happening elsewhere in the business even if the business was to close.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I'll go out on a limb here too and say that the last Melbourne-Adelaide Overland will probably be Tuesday the 24th.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

I would now be looking at the coming current demise of The Ghan and Indian Pacific giving the current situation, if I were GSR (or whoever) now is the time for the Overland could be their only train left to operate.
Interesting point.
Difference is IP and GHAN cover their operating costs from the revenue collected from selling seats, The Overland doesn't. No  subsidy, no Overland regardless of what is happening elsewhere in the business even if the business was to close.
RTT_Rules
not for very much longer mate, The Overland well maybe the only train they will have left after Tuesday.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
NB: If you are in 'self-isolation' they'll send the police around to your house to make sure you are home at random intervals - so it's not an option.
don_dunstan
wobert should be good at this, he has been self isolating himself in the Netherby Pub for weeks at a time for years Razz coppers even check on him to make sure he hasn't wondered off Exclamation

BigShunter.
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
The SA Premier is closing the SA state borders from 4pm Tuesday, I would say Tuesdays Overland from Melbourne will be the last.
They actually cannot close the border, against the Constitution, what they are doing is making you sign a document "

The State Government will establish 12 border crossings where travellers will be required to sign a declaration about their health and ability to undertake mandatory self-isolation for two weeks."

How many road border crossings into SA?
Metaphorically they ARE - if I try and get back into South Australia after 4pm Tuesday then I have to go into self-isolation for two weeks and I won't be able to go to work, shopping or anything else for that matter. So call it what you want, effectively the border is being closed EXCEPT to transport workers and essential service workers, who will not have to self-isolate.
don_dunstan
How long before there's another "Hughes & Vale vs NSW" case to challenge border closure? You know, the case that basically destroyed the railways back in the fifties.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
NB: If you are in 'self-isolation' they'll send the police around to your house to make sure you are home at random intervals - so it's not an option.
wobert should be good at this, he has been self isolating himself in the Netherby Pub for weeks at a time for years Razz coppers even check on him to make sure he hasn't wondered off Exclamation

BigShunter.
BigShunter
Netherby? He's probably the only customer!
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I'll go out on a limb here too and say that the last Melbourne-Adelaide Overland will probably be Tuesday the 24th.
don_dunstan
Adelaide Parklands Terminal is not one of the permitted entry points, so I would guess that it will be cancelled and the empty cars towed back to Adelaide on the back of a PN freight train.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I'll go out on a limb here too and say that the last Melbourne-Adelaide Overland will probably be Tuesday the 24th.
Adelaide Parklands Terminal is not one of the permitted entry points, so I would guess that it will be cancelled and the empty cars towed back to Adelaide on the back of a PN freight train.
justapassenger
In theory it would have crossed the border by 4pm - would those people who arrive at Parklands still be subjected to self-quarantine?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

How long before there's another "Hughes & Vale vs NSW" case to challenge border closure? You know, the case that basically destroyed the railways back in the fifties.
apw5910
No lawyer would take on such a case because it couldn't possibly be heard by the High Court before the COVID-19 crisis is over, whether that's because the upcoming lockdown knocks it on the head too quickly for the High Court or because the lockdown fails to contain the crisis and the case is delayed by society spinning out of control.

It would be a flagrant breach of professional standards to do anything other than counsel any potential plaintiff to go ahead with it.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I'll go out on a limb here too and say that the last Melbourne-Adelaide Overland will probably be Tuesday the 24th.
Adelaide Parklands Terminal is not one of the permitted entry points, so I would guess that it will be cancelled and the empty cars towed back to Adelaide on the back of a PN freight train.
In theory it would have crossed the border by 4pm - would those people who arrive at Parklands still be subjected to self-quarantine?
don_dunstan
But would they be allowed off the train if APT is not one of the permitted entry points?

I suppose the passengers could be put on buses and taken to Adelaide Airport to go through the entry procedure there.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I'll go out on a limb here too and say that the last Melbourne-Adelaide Overland will probably be Tuesday the 24th.
Adelaide Parklands Terminal is not one of the permitted entry points, so I would guess that it will be cancelled and the empty cars towed back to Adelaide on the back of a PN freight train.
In theory it would have crossed the border by 4pm - would those people who arrive at Parklands still be subjected to self-quarantine?
But would they be allowed off the train if APT is not one of the permitted entry points?

I suppose the passengers could be put on buses and taken to Adelaide Airport to go through the entry procedure there.
justapassenger
Seems like a lot of mucking around -

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