Indian Pacific and WA border closure

 
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

What will happen to the IP at midnight, Sunday?

Will the westbound train terminate at Cook or Hughes?

Is this train running any more?

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  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

As much as I would hope they would run one last train to drop you off in the middle of nowhere, all Journey Beyond trains are already suspended.

The last Indian Pacific before the suspension was the eastbound train from Perth leaving on Sunday 22 March and terminating in Adelaide.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

I wouldn't mind. If I had enough stores, and supplies, water etc (prepper style), it would be the safest place to ride out the zombie apocalypse.

Unprecedented stuff going on though.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I wouldn't mind. If I had enough stores, and supplies, water etc (prepper style), it would be the safest place to ride out the zombie apocalypse.

Unprecedented stuff going on though.
ANR
Totally ANR.

2 mths supplies, nice spot on the coast, no media, wait for the next train in June maybe.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

I wouldn't mind. If I had enough stores, and supplies, water etc (prepper style), it would be the safest place to ride out the zombie apocalypse.

Unprecedented stuff going on though.
Totally ANR.

2 mths supplies, nice spot on the coast, no media, wait for the next train in June maybe.
RTT_Rules
"nice spot on the coast" - Cook?  It's more than 100km to the coast, which is on a stretch of coastline called the Nullabor Cliffs. Very difficult to even dip your toes in the Great Australian Bight.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

I wouldn't mind. If I had enough stores, and supplies, water etc (prepper style), it would be the safest place to ride out the zombie apocalypse.

Unprecedented stuff going on though.
Totally ANR.

2 mths supplies, nice spot on the coast, no media, wait for the next train in June maybe.
"nice spot on the coast" - Cook?  It's more than 100km to the coast, which is on a stretch of coastline called the Nullabor Cliffs. Very difficult to even dip your toes in the Great Australian Bight.
duttonbay
RTT speaks like someone who has never been to the area round Cook?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
One ponders the next move by GSR will they ask for a handout from the government?
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
But there will still be freight trains passing through the Nullarbor with drivers stopping off Smile

If Journey Beyond does ask for a government handout they should be told to bring back some form of their Red class so that their journeys can be experienced by all Australians rather than just being trains for the very wealthy.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
If Journey Beyond does ask for a government handout they should be told to bring back some form of their Red class so that their journeys can be experienced by all Australians rather than just being trains for the very wealthy.
"GeoffreyHansen"


Given the fact that Journey Beyond does not provide anything remotely like an essential service, I would hope that the idea never gets out of Fantasyland.
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
But there will still be freight trains passing through the Nullarbor with drivers stopping off Smile

If Journey Beyond does ask for a government handout they should be told to bring back some form of their Red class so that their journeys can be experienced by all Australians rather than just being trains for the very wealthy.
GeoffreyHansen
Yeah, I can see a huge market for people sitting up in their Red Class carriage all day in the middle of nowhere while the "very wealthy" people go off to Coober Pedy...
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The dropping of the red service by GSR is to my mind an example in a way of how the overland has been viewed.  The focus is on high end rather than actually promoting and delivering a city to city service which the red service was for intermediate stations on the IP route east and probably west as far as Port Augusta for non "high paying IP" passemgers?
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
What about bringing back something like the Red class sleepers?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

… a city to city service which the red service was for intermediate stations on the IP route east and probably west as far as Port Augusta for non "high paying IP" passemgers?
bevans
The problem with the Indian Pacific and the Ghan under AN operation and most of the GSR (Serco) years was that nobody knew what they were for. These trains did a bad job of providing functional transport and a bad job of providing tourism experiences.

The federal government did GSR a huge favour when they killed the Red Class subsidies. It gave GSR the opportunity to start specialising in doing one thing well instead of doing two things badly, and opened the way for Serco to offload the business to owners who had the expertise to develop it in that direction.

The railways are open access. If there's a market for a budget interstate train then someone will fill that gap.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
And I agree with the above but the market needs to be addressed in terms of non tourist and thence the issue.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

I have taken a sit-up trip from Perth to Sydney a long time ago and it fulfilled an important travel function and tourist function. There were bogans from Vic on board (who thankfully got off at Adelaide for the Overland), and overseas tourists. I think journey beyond needs to attach a couple of wagons for sit-up or one of the freight operators should look at doing it. It is a different offering that would see many takers due to its price point and genuine Aussie experience.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I have taken a sit-up trip from Perth to Sydney a long time ago and it fulfilled an important travel function and tourist function. There were bogans from Vic on board (who thankfully got off at Adelaide for the Overland), and overseas tourists. I think journey beyond needs to attach a couple of wagons for sit-up or one of the freight operators should look at doing it. It is a different offering that would see many takers due to its price point and genuine Aussie experience.
"ANR"


Journey Beyond definitely does not need to attach a couple of sitting cars. Its mission is about raking in the tourist dollars, and not about an economy priced fare Perth-Adelaide-Sydney.  You can ask all you like, but if it isn't making flipping great wodges of cash, Journey Beyond doesn't want to know about it. If such an idea would make money, JB would do it, but does it need a bogan class? In a word; no. It runs a small Overland with government money, but there's not going to be any government money for additions to the IP. How many takers would there be for your idea, and what would be the cost of fares? I suspect that you took the trip because you are a rail fan; others wouldn't.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

@ANR - why are you still telling us what a great idea this would be? Get on the line to the companies involved.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

Valvegear, I took the trip because I had several pieces of luggage (one was over 32kg on its own) that would have needed airfreight and I had to ensure they would get to Sydney with me as I had lots of tech sheat in those days to carry around and showcase that the airlines and freight forwarders used to either lose, or send to an ongoing destination. This is why I never flew between SYD-MEL and used to jump into a hire car. Yes, because the IP was available, and I had a few days before the next stop on this particular roadshow, I booked sit-up on the IP, and I thoroughly enjoyed it, meeting some great down to earth people from Tasmania, Broken Hill and UK. I had wanted to do this trip, but never thought it would happen under such circumstances. I am one if the lucky ones.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

Valvegear, I took the trip because I had several pieces of luggage (one was over 32kg on its own) that would have needed airfreight and I had to ensure they would get to Sydney with me as I had lots of tech sheat in those days to carry around and showcase that the airlines and freight forwarders used to either lose, or send to an ongoing destination. This is why I never flew between SYD-MEL and used to jump into a hire car. Yes, because the IP was available, and I had a few days before the next stop on this particular roadshow, I booked sit-up on the IP, and I thoroughly enjoyed it, meeting some great down to earth people from Tasmania, Broken Hill and UK. I had wanted to do this trip, but never thought it would happen under such circumstances. I am one if the lucky ones.

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