Why electrify to the depot? Just use a 2 car diesel to shuttle trains between Frankston and Baxter. It works in Adelaide.because pork barreling to win elections combined with bureaucratic logic
Some recent press https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/baxter-rail-extension-at-a-standstillYou might be waiting awhile Bevans as there is currently no project being delivered by anyone.
I do wonder why this is taking a long time is it being delivered by V/Line or Metro Trains?
The funding for the project would have (one would expect) have been agreed. Why does Victoria feel the need to constantly reach out to the feds for rail which not only should have been done years ago but should be funded by the vic government?
The idea of duplication is not as important in my mind as electrification and high frequency from the electrification. If we can do Hurstbridge trains on a single line section then why can;t we do Baxter and beyond?
The fact there is a train service at all past Baxter is incredible, it's the only regular running branch railway to survive (in Victoria, correct me if I'm wrong) and is lucky to still be running in modern times.True Believers is correct about lucky to survive, since the passenger service was actually axed for just over three years in 1981 and the line closed beyond Long Island junction for that same period. Without the Long Island steel trains it is highly unlikely that it would have ever reopened; just look at the Mornington line, closed at the same time and now a tourist railway on a stub of the original (not knocking MRPS, just stating a fact).
Further, having a property down that way for years the lack of dependable passenger services IS the major problem to do with patronage. If there were more and frequent trains then it would be used more.Are you admitting to being a landlord?
Sadly the catchment side (Red Hill) no linger exists.ah yes, an area where the busses are so heavily patronised, traffic is overblowing and people are crying for a rail service...
The fact there is a train service at all past Baxter is incredible, it's the only regular running branch railway to survive (in Victoria, correct me if I'm wrong) and is lucky to still be running in modern times.Probably the last in the country. And in case you're wondering that line gets sufficient traffic up to Bitten thanks to urban sprawl and the park and riders from the southern peninsula. Its only still running thanks to a successful community campaign that poked holes in the report that said to close it. Its more lucky to have a community that fought to keep it... the Long Island steel isn't the only reason. Beyond Bitten its just there to not lose votes.
If the work is only about stabling then what is the problem being solved? There is already stabling available at Frankston.mmm !
John, Packenham East is also a maintenance base. Baxter is not I believe?Maintenance, let's see.
I hope they don't electrify to Baxter in my lifetime; I don't think I could cope with the excitement. I can still remember the electrification from Broadmeadows to Craigieburn. It took an inordinately long time, and was celebrated by a gala official opening complete with mug shots of pollies galore. It was such a hullabaloo that you'd be forgiven for thinking that they'd electrified all the way to Badaginnie. Too many more successes like that would be the end of me.I was attending school at Macleod High when the duplication from Macleod to Greensborough was undertaken and completed. Probably took about two years including digging out a huge amount of material for the cutting though Watsonia. I don't recall anything major happening when it was opened, although I did enjoy seeing double headed New X, fresh off the Overland, on the ballast trains
Lastly back to Maintenance, there is nothing on the Frankston line. So Xtraps need to go to Newport, Comengs & Siemens go to Craigieburn or Westall for works. Nothing at this stage has been mentioned about the future of Westall, however I can’t see it servicing Comengs for much longer when the line is serviced by HCMTS. Another bloody mess.Lockie,
Guys we need to get serious. There may be a plan to move out of frankston which will deliver no benefit at all for passengers on the Stony point line (this is not the first time millions has been spent on projects which delivery zero passenger benefit) but the fact still remains the service to Stony Point needs to be electrified and made an extension of the Frankston line with through running services. What we are going to now run sprinters between Baxter and Stony Point?And what is wrong with that exactly.
Let's give up worrying about Baxter. Instead, why not electrify Belgrave to Gembrook?
WYN stabling currently holds diesel trains, but was constructed with electric trains in mind. They've even got poles installed for overhead wires. Whenever Wyndham Vale gets sparks, the electric trains will be parked at this facility.Let's give up worrying about Baxter. Instead, why not electrify Belgrave to Gembrook?
I have been quite serious a bout the need to remove dated diesel services from the Stony Point Line as have others on the forum over a period. Out of sight out of mind. Look at the money wasted on the WYN stabling. This could have easily removed diesel trains from the line.
Ideally, and perhaps as originally intended, Stony Point trains should connect with the ferry to provide PT to Phillip Island. Doesn't work that way though. If the services were co-ordinated, and IF the ferry used myki, would there be more pax using Stony Point?Potentially, but even switching the ferries over to myki is a big ask. The Westgate Punt doesn't use myki either, and that has a fare that is effectively a zone 2 price; $2.70 per weekday trip.