Truck licensing shake-up looms after spike in crashes

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 26 Apr 2020 19:51
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
We are finally starting to see some statistics which quite frankly are alarming to say the least.

Figures from the federal department of transport show in the 12 months to December last year, 188 people died from 173 fatal crashes involving heavy vehicle trucks – an increase of more than 27 per cent from the year before.
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This is shocking and for me it highlights just how the current policies of the ALP in Victoria are so wrong when it comes to more b double and b triple trucks.  There is no shame in admitting the government has got this very wrong and the time is now to change this when you consider the events of last week on the eastern freeway.

Post COVID19 we need a solid paid for plan to take trucks off the road and place this freight onto rail. The situation has now become dire and it is only because the of political donations by the road freight lobby we are in this situation.  The events of last week were incredible tragic  and very sad but they are a wake up call absolutely.

We have seen more change with a truck hitting the swan hill passenger train.  4 police being slaughtered by a truck in this manner calls for a serious review of the current laws and the current policy.

Truck licensing shake-up looms after spike in crashes

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  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

We are finally starting to see some statistics which quite frankly are alarming to say the least.

Figures from the federal department of transport show in the 12 months to December last year, 188 people died from 173 fatal crashes involving heavy vehicle trucks – an increase of more than 27 per cent from the year before.

This is shocking and for me it highlights just how the current policies of the ALP in Victoria are so wrong when it comes to more b double and b triple trucks.  There is no shame in admitting the government has got this very wrong and the time is now to change this when you consider the events of last week on the eastern freeway.

Post COVID19 we need a solid paid for plan to take trucks off the road and place this freight onto rail. The situation has now become dire and it is only because the of political donations by the road freight lobby we are in this situation.  The events of last week were incredible tragic  and very sad but they are a wake up call absolutely.

We have seen more change with a truck hitting the swan hill passenger train.  4 police being slaughtered by a truck in this manner calls for a serious review of the current laws and the current policy.

Truck licensing shake-up looms after spike in crashes
bevans
But haven't you heard, it's not the truck's fault; the little wheels get in their way...
  skitz Chief Commissioner

It would be interesting to see if the level of migrant drivers has an influence here.  The issue I highlight is a migrant can come here and show a licence from overseas and have it honoured here no matter what.   Overseas standards can invokve things as bribes and when they get here its automatically allowed.   An Australian i subject to a rigorous and very expensive process of getting a truck licence and it can be seen to be so obstuctive that it effectively prices the local drivers out of the business.

No foreign licence should be accepted unless its proven to be of equivalent standard to that required here.
  Goose13 Station Master

Location: Having a sook about Southern cross's western wall
It would be interesting to see if the level of migrant drivers has an influence here.  The issue I highlight is a migrant can come here and show a licence from overseas and have it honoured here no matter what.   Overseas standards can invokve things as bribes and when they get here its automatically allowed.   An Australian i subject to a rigorous and very expensive process of getting a truck licence and it can be seen to be so obstuctive that it effectively prices the local drivers out of the business.

No foreign licence should be accepted unless its proven to be of equivalent standard to that required here.
skitz


There have been recent changes, Visa holders and international students are required to get an Australian licence within 6 months.
https://www.sbs.com.au/language/english/big-driver-licence-change-for-international-students-visa-holders

I would very much doubt what would be a proportionally small number of road users would contribute that significantly.

Especially given the small number of recognised countries for licences (seen below); with all other countries not noted below requiring an Australian test to be completed.



Recognised countries and jurisdictions
Austria
Germany
Isle of Man (1)
Norway
Belgium
Greece
Italy
Portugal
Canada (3)
Guernsey
Japan
Singapore
Croatia
Bosnia & Herzegovina
Jersey
Spain
Denmark
Ireland
Malta (2)
Sweden
Finland
UK
Netherlands (Holland)
Switzerland
France
USA
Luxembourg



Driver experience recognised
Bulgaria
Hong Kong (5)
(must be held for 12 months)
Lithuania
Slovenia
Czech Republic
Hungary
Poland
South Africa
Republic
of Cyprus (4)
Republic of Korea (South Korea)
Romania
Taiwan
Estonia
Latvia
Slovakia
Serbia



Given that in Victoria you require an Australian license for two years to then upgrade, I would think that truck driving licensing itself is in far more need of some reform, as is being put forwards in the main posts article.

[Edit: why do bloody tables work in the editor and not page; curses]
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Here we go with the latest on the driver



Better get a lawyer son you'd better get a real good one.  Well he has it seems.
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
[Edit: why do bloody tables work in the editor and not page; curses]
Goose13
That'd be the foreign programmers. /s
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Less than a week after 3 police persons have died in a truck crash another person dies today https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/one-killed-in-victorian-western-highway-crash-road-closed-overnight
  DL_Daily Junior Train Controller

An interstate driver missed a turned just outside of town this week so he decided to turn around, we had just had over 45mm rain in 2 days Laughing, can you guess what happened, I am sure most people will get the idea, yes he was one of the cornflake licence squad !
  NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Talk of licensing reviews in Victoria after the horrendous crash of a truck in Melbourne's east.   Like most things politicians just say this to make people think this is actually happening when it is not and to placate the anger over deaths.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Talk of licensing reviews in Victoria after the horrendous crash of a truck in Melbourne's east.   Like most things politicians just say this to make people think this is actually happening when it is not and to placate the anger over deaths.
NSWGR8022

It is far to easy to get a heavy truck license in Victoria. I have a HC/Semi license and the process was not arduous. Mind you i got mine in 1995 so i don't know what has changed since - which is a potential argument for re-testing. At the time, it was not hard to get upgraded to MC/B-Double/Road train. if you played the game and knew what to do, you could even get it without testing or driving a single truck.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Drug trafficking, dangerous driving: Eastern Freeway truck driver faces 33 more charges

A truck driver accused of killing four police officers on a Melbourne freeway has been charged with another 33 offences, including drug trafficking.

Mohinder Singh, 47, was initially charged with four counts of culpable driving in the days after the April 22 crash.
On Wednesday, police said the investigation into the crash was ongoing and Mr Singh had been charged with 33 more offences.


Mohinder Singh.CREDIT:NINE NEWS

The additional charges include four counts of dangerous driving causing death, driving under the influence, trafficking ice and cannabis and a number of other drug-related offences.

Leading Senior Constable Lynette Taylor, Senior Constable Kevin King and constables Glen Humphris and Josh Prestney were killed as they were impounding a Porsche on the Eastern Freeway at Kew on April 22.

In the days after the crash, Mr Singh said he was "genuinely sorry and saddened" about their deaths in a statement released by his lawyer.

"Mr Singh is genuinely sorry and saddened that four people have lost their lives as a result of the collision," the short statement read.

"He is acutely aware of the impact upon the families, friends and work colleagues of those that lost their lives."


Mohinder Singh's lawyer Steven Pica leaves the Melbourne Magistrates Court.CREDIT:AAP


The 47-year-old from Cranbourne in Melbourne's south-east did not apply for bail during his last court appearance and is due to return to court for a committal mention on October 1.


Crash investigators at the scene the day after four police were struck and killed by a truck on the Eastern Freeway. CREDIT:AAP

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/drug-trafficking-dangerous-driving-eastern-freeway-truck-driver-faces-33-more-charges-20200819-p55n73.html
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Speaking in Victoria, it is far too easy to get any Licence. Just consider the common car Licence. The applicant need never have driven above 60 km/h, in the dark, on wet bitumen, or on any surface other than bitumen, and is handed a piece of plastic that says "There; you can drive a car." No car handling skills; no experience in getting off line and safely correcting it, nobody teaching that 100 km/h is nearly 28 metre/second, and that you need at least 2 seconds gap in front to allow for reaction time as well as braking, and so on. The single car crashes, and nose-to-tail prangs continue unabated. Driving is the only discipline I know where the incompetent are allowed to teach the innocent.
Some examples -
Mary with the P plates driving at 90 km/h in the right lane of a freeway because that's what mummy taught her.
Young Fred reaching for the horn button and swearing loudly at someone, instead of concentrating on his own driving, because that's what dad does.
Making sure, by accelerating if necessary, that the guy who is signalling that he wishes to change lanes is prevented from doing so because, "that's my bit of road" - selfishness to the point of potentially lethal stupidity.
Accelerating to run the yellow traffic light, another thing that dad does, and so on and so on until you're black in the face.

Then, there are the cowboys driving semis and B doubles on freeways at 100 km/h and 10 metres behind the vehicle in front (see 28 m/s above).

In short; the bad habits of one generation are passed on in their entirety to the next generation.
Until a proper instruction and licensing system is put in place, it will never improve.

Years ago, a German business associate was visiting and I drove him from Sydney to Melbourne. As we left Sydney, we were discussing licensing, and he told me that, if you have a crash ( and survive it) in your first year on the road, regardless of the whose nominal fault it was, you go back and do the driving instruction and licence test all over again. His other comment as we hit the 110 km/h limit was that the minimum speed of 110 km/h was a good idea. He was appalled when I told him it was the maximum, and his words were, "you have this lovely autobahn and you're not allowed to use it."
Having driven in Germany on three trips there, I understand exactly where he was coming from with his comments. It was a horrible reality check to get behind the wheel back in Australia.
  WimbledonW Train Controller

Location: Sydney
Here we go with the latest on the driver



Better get a lawyer son you'd better get a real good one.  Well he has it seems.
bevans
A manager at Singh's company was also charged a month ago (Daily Telegraph to-day Aug 20).

Chain of responsibility rules.

The same paper on page 9 reports the verdict for Sabry Moustafa Nasser who drove his car into a shop window amongst other things.

$75 fine and license suspended until May 2023. Another cornflakes licence-holder?
  historian Deputy Commissioner

Years ago, a German business associate was visiting and I drove him from Sydney to Melbourne. As we left Sydney, we were discussing licensing, and he told me that, if you have a crash ( and survive it) in your first year on the road, regardless of the whose nominal fault it was, you go back and do the driving instruction and licence test all over again.
Valvegear

I asked my German born wife, who lived in Germany until long after she got her license, to fact check this, and she said no.

It's got more strict over time, but the current approach is that you have two years of probation after getting your license. In this period you have certain restrictions (e.g. zero bac) and the penalities against road infractions are harsher than for a fully licensed driver. If you get more than a certain (small) number of serious infractions your probation is extended to four years and you have to do a special course. If you still rack up the infractions you have to do a psychological course. Ultimately you can have your license suspended - which could happen quite quickly if the infraction is serious enough. But this is just like for a normal driver.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

I've also been told that, although most sections of freeways in Germany still does not have sign-posted speed limit, if you have an accident at a speed in excess of 130 km/h, you take up 50% of the responsibility by default, regardless of what happened.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I asked my German born wife, who lived in Germany until long after she got her license, to fact check this, and she said no.
historian
Thanks for the update. I did say "years ago" and probably should have counted how many! I reckon it would have been round 1980/81.
To add to that, my passenger could well have been talking about the time when he got his licence which was years earlier, because he was just over 60 at the time of his visit.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Why doesn't ATSB have involvement in investigating major road accidents above a threshold, say if x or more people are killed or a set tonnage of vehicles are involved?  Their facts only reporting would be good insight into some of these accidents?  Or is it clear what the issue is in most cases?
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

Why doesn't ATSB have involvement in investigating major road accidents above a threshold, say if x or more people are killed or a set tonnage of vehicles are involved?  Their facts only reporting would be good insight into some of these accidents?  Or is it clear what the issue is in most cases?
james.au
Maybe the reports would not slot in nicely with the "speed kills" agenda?

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