Covid 19 - Safe Mobile Device App

 
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
The download for the app is somewhere near 3.5 million or around that mark, I'm tipping that the Govt will get nowhere near the 40% that the app requires to do it's job properly, there are a lot of sceptical people out there.
lsrailfan
Rather, there are a lot of misguided people out there. You know the ones, getting sucked in by false memes claiming that the app knows how far you are from home etc., or always coming up with some hysterical conspiracy theory, or any other reason to refuse to do the right thing.

I had absolutely no hang-ups about downloading the app.

The gov't want an uptake of 40%; I am yet to determine whether they mean 40% of the population, or 40% of the adult population, or 40% of the working population, or 40% of smartphone owners. In any case the more that people realise that lifting certain restrictions depend on the uptake among other things, I expect to see a surge and the % next Friday will probably be close enough regardless what the figure actually is.

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  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
The download for the app is somewhere near 3.5 million or around that mark, I'm tipping that the Govt will get nowhere near the 40% that the app requires to do it's job properly, there are a lot of sceptical people out there.
Rather, there are a lot of misguided people out there. You know the ones, getting sucked in by false memes claiming that the app knows how far you are from home etc., or always coming up with some hysterical conspiracy theory, or any other reason to refuse to do the right thing.

I had absolutely no hang-ups about downloading the app.

The gov't want an uptake of 40%; I am yet to determine whether they mean 40% of the population, or 40% of the adult population, or 40% of the working population, or 40% of smartphone owners. In any case the more that people realise that lifting certain restrictions depend on the uptake among other things, I expect to see a surge and the % next Friday will probably be close enough regardless what the figure actually is.
DirtyBallast
Maybe, I actually think they mean 40% of the population, which equates to around 10 million or so I believe, just say for argument's sake the figure is 7 million next Friday, maybe not as many things may come off restrictions, we will see.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Yes I tend to think you are right, 40% of population, but I reckon there's some flexibility there.

It will be interesting to see that if the figure next Friday is, say, 7 million, and Scomo says it needs to be 9 million before NRL and AFL resume, how many minutes it will take to get there? Not many I reckon! Laughing
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Yes I tend to think you are right, 40% of population, but I reckon there's some flexibility there.

It will be interesting to see that if the figure next Friday is, say, 7 million, and Scomo says it needs to be 9 million before NRL and AFL resume, how many minutes it will take to get there? Not many I reckon! Laughing
DirtyBallast
NRL, the number may go backwards RazzLaughing , Look, I used to follow NRL, nowhere near as much these days, because of a myriad of reasons.
  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
I could not care less if everyone knows my exciting travel each day. I left Facebook years ago because I was sick of people telling me what they had for lunch and what was today's weather in New York. Americans in particular seem to have fascination with such minute details of life.

However people (including me) do not seem to be concerned with their credit card information. On Thursday I donated funds for a box of groceries to the Salvation Army. I felt guilty as all of us over 65 have been given extra money but with the lockdown have nothing much to spend it on. Cafes and cinemas are closed.
I was concerned when it immediately came up with my name and credit card details. I have never donated to the Salvation Army online before but it seemed to be using the same system as a charity from which I have been buying vouchers for use in my favourite cafes after lockdown eases.
This morning my bank emailed and texted me that my card has been  blocked due to attempts to withdraw money from overseas. The only other time I have used my card in the last fortnight has been my regular supermarket purchases.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I could not care less if everyone knows my exciting travel each day. I left Facebook years ago because I was sick of people telling me what they had for lunch and what was today's weather in New York. Americans in particular seem to have fascination with such minute details of life.

However people (including me) do not seem to be concerned with their credit card information. On Thursday I donated funds for a box of groceries to the Salvation Army. I felt guilty as all of us over 65 have been given extra money but with the lockdown have nothing much to spend it on. Cafes and cinemas are closed.
I was concerned when it immediately came up with my name and credit card details. I have never donated to the Salvation Army online before but it seemed to be using the same system as a charity from which I have been buying vouchers for use in my favourite cafes after lockdown eases.
This morning my bank emailed and texted me that my card has been  blocked due to attempts to withdraw money from overseas. The only other time I have used my card in the last fortnight has been my regular supermarket purchases.
Brianr
Yeah the paranoia over what the govt knows about your life is unbelievable. If you have nothing to hide, big deal.

Google stores your credit card details but you usually need to enter the CVV number. If you don't want Google to do so you can stop it, how not sure, I find it convenient. I get an sms on every transaction and bank calls or blocks unusual transactions. They seem to profile my life fairly well. But think like multiple ebay paypal transactions in a row (minutes apart) often set off an alarm as there are different sellers all round the world. So I've learnt to space them out.

Likewise I doubt very much the govts gives a crap about smeg unless its breaking the law.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Concern of the government ‘looking at your data’ is really only valid if you think ‘the government’ has the time, and resources to look at it - guess what, they don’t. The government is lazy, they’re not going to expend effort looking at anything unless it’s absolutely necessary, and quite often, not even then.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Concern of the government ‘looking at your data’ is really only valid if you think ‘the government’ has the time, and resources to look at it - guess what, they don’t. The government is lazy, they’re not going to expend effort looking at anything unless it’s absolutely necessary, and quite often, not even then.
Aaron
Even if that was true, which I doubt, that's not the reason that I downloaded the app.

To counter your claim I firmly believe that the vast majority of MP's are hellbent on doing the best they can for the nation regardless of their political colour. They are not lazy and probably work their departments very hard. The exceptions would resemble people such as Mal Colston in the old days, Bronwyn Bishop since then and someone like Angus Taylor more recently.

People comfortable downloading the app have confidence that the government can be trusted to steer us through this mess. Unashamedly, I am. This is due in no small part to the bipartisanship displayed in the National Cabinet. At the end of the day the % uptake should resemble Scomo's approval rating, no?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Oh, don’t get me wrong, I have no issues with the app either, I have not downloaded it yet, but that has nothing to do with trust issues and data.

I have not downloaded it for two ‘reasons’ one being that it really only logs interpersonal contacts between two people of 15 minutes or more, I just don’t think there’s a single person aside from my wife that I spend 15 minutes near at a time. I am also not convinced that being in the presence of a Covid-19 sufferer for 10 minutes is a great deal safer than 15 minutes.

The second ‘reason’ is that there is talk of AFL/NRL and similar only being allowed to restart if app usage gets to a certain level - this is the primary reason I am not downloading it. I refuse to be a part of providing reason to allow such mass gatherings of people sitting together in close proximity for hours at a time. I still maintain that whatever the current low levels of positive reporting are (I am from SA with no cases in 10 days I think) and even so I am yet to think we have necessarily seen the last of it. Evidence of which is seen in the NT today with I think 2 positive cases after 25 days of nil.

I am genuinely concerned that the lack of cases is leading Australians to become complacent, and it will cost lives. I almost wish the governments lied for a few more weeks announcing a few cases a week ensuring people keep isolated, so that in a month and a half or so they could say ‘congratulations, no cases in weeks, we are all good to resume careful resumption of life’.

Australia is doing good, but this is not in the rear vision mirror yet.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The second ‘reason’ is that there is talk of AFL/NRL and similar only being allowed to restart if app usage gets to a certain level - this is the primary reason I am not downloading it. I refuse to be a part of providing reason to allow such mass gatherings of people sitting together in close proximity for hours at a time.
Aaron
Yes, it would be unethical to install the app given it has been flagged that it may get used to make that decision on AFL/NRL without a positive confirmation that it will only be for spectator free matches until at least August.

I'm not too concerned about the AFL as they have a very risk-averse culture at head office (a positive result of the Essendon doping scandal) and a healthy players union which has pushed back against the idea which would see the season resume soonest, plus a more secure foundation to rebuild from in 2021 even if the whole 2020 season is cancelled.

The NRL is a far bigger issue. They have enough influence to push the Berejiklian government to do their bidding and little need to get other states on board, a head office that is focused solely on their broadcast rights contracts, and a weak players association which is acting like a company union.

I still maintain that whatever the current low levels of positive reporting are (I am from SA with no cases in 10 days I think) and even so I am yet to think we have necessarily seen the last of it. Evidence of which is seen in the NT today with I think 2 positive cases after 25 days of nil.

I am genuinely concerned that the lack of cases is leading Australians to become complacent, and it will cost lives. I almost wish the governments lied for a few more weeks announcing a few cases a week ensuring people keep isolated, so that in a month and a half or so they could say ‘congratulations, no cases in weeks, we are all good to resume careful resumption of life’.
Aaron
Entirely correct. Relaxing now opens us up to being the next Singapore or Japan.

I hope that our premier is smart enough to stay the course and not just copy WA and Qld.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
When the National Cabinet meets next Friday, I believe they will be loosening some restrictions, but only the baseline ones, I.E sport/recreation, and maybe Café/Restaurants only being allowed to do takeaway service, the larger gatherings I.E Churches and other big public gatherings will be off for quite sometime yet, which suits us fine, because we use Zoom.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
So far the latest figures that have downloaded the app is around 4.5 million as of this afternoon, I think they will get nowhere near the 10 million required, I'm hearing that 7 million may be a figure that they can work with though, even that figure seems a long way off to be done by Friday.
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner

Not worried about the Govt tracking me I do not have a mobile phone for starters but what about those of us that do not have mobile phones, tablets etc to get the app then there is the problem it will not work with a lot of phones, tablets etc even ones of recent manufacturer so at any one time you should not expect nor get a full 100% coverage for it. Then of course there are those that do not trust the app to begin with, so even getting to 40% coverage might be a a fair shake of the old sauce bottle.

The other thing is there are some out there that actually believe that if you do down load this app you will not get the virus they are in for a hell of a shock if they do get it though. Yes I have already crossed swords with one individual that claimed exactly this.

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