Australian rail union imposes sell out agreement after 51-49 percent split vote

 

News article: Australian rail union imposes sell out agreement after 51-49 percent split vote

The Rail, Tram and Bus Union (RTBU) last month announced that a new industrial agreement covering Metro Trains workers in Melbourne had been approved by 51 percent of union members, just ahead of the 49 percent who voted “no.

  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
I no understand why this is a sellout agreement ?

Australian rail union imposes sell out agreement after 51-49 percent split vote

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  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

I no understand why this is a sellout agreement ?

Australian rail union imposes sell out agreement after 51-49 percent split vote
freightgate
Neither do I. Vote carried, job done.

Would be interesting to see advice/recommendations from union officials to members. Article is rather vague.
And why on earth would you negotiate in the current climate?
  neillfarmer Chief Train Controller

The article first appeared in the World Socialist Web Site. What else would you expect?
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
And why on earth would you negotiate in the current climate?
michaelgm
So, when is the right time to negotiate?

Like ScoMo saying during the bushfires it's not the right time to talk about climate change possibly being a contributing factor in the severity of the fires, how is that particular conversation unfolding now? What, it isn't? But the fires are out! What's his excuse? What's next???

EBA negotiations happen when EBA's expire. If both teams are switched on they begin talks several months earlier but if either party drags their heels it will always blow out. It should actually be welcomed that during the 'current climate' some things, like EBA negotiations, have carried on as normal, no?
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

And why on earth would you negotiate in the current climate?
So, when is the right time to negotiate?

Like ScoMo saying during the bushfires it's not the right time to talk about climate change possibly being a contributing factor in the severity of the fires, how is that particular conversation unfolding now? What, it isn't? But the fires are out! What's his excuse? What's next???

EBA negotiations happen when EBA's expire. If both teams are switched on they begin talks several months earlier but if either party drags their heels it will always blow out. It should actually be welcomed that during the 'current climate' some things, like EBA negotiations, have carried on as normal, no?
DirtyBallast
It’s a moot point now.
But if an agreement cannot be reached, the status quo remains until one can be.

So when is the right time, when you’re not bent over, ready to receive the rough end of the pineapple.
Defer, delay and obfuscate, working for the LNP.

Have involved with numerous EBAs, not for a decade or so now, some union officials were,,, umm,,, lazy. Needing instruction.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
I no understand why this is a sellout agreement ?

Australian rail union imposes sell out agreement after 51-49 percent split vote
freightgate
Arguably because one faction of the RTBU - the Victorian Loco division encompassing train crew - vehemently opposed the agreement, but other parties wholeheartedly endorsed it as the major concessions didn't affect them but they'll get the pay rises MTM traded in exchange for screwing the Driver's with their current conditions, over...And once they're gone, you will never, in a million years get them back again.

Anytime you see a company or manager coming out and saying "This is a good EBA" you know they've come up with a new way to screw the employees over, or reduce their conditions.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Yeah. Defer, delay, obfuscate. Works for bosses too.

My EBA expired July 1st last year, company put a log of claims against the unions including 27% pay cut for new starters, removal of 'contractors clause' that states that outsiders are paid similarly to us, screwing over shift workers 'mate cover', back to basic award sick leave, continuation of temporary roster that we were happy to establish last time to help them out (company was in a dire situation back then, but profitable now) that results in us missing 3hr pay per week...all for 0% pay rise. Meetings consist of nothing but obfuscation from managers, meanwhile our wages have been frozen for almost two years now. My fear is that we will get to July 1st this year and the company will approach Fair Work Australia and say negotiations have got nowhere, and we will be terminated.

All we want is to be paid for the 38 hours per week that we work instead of the 35 that they give us and to hang on to our existing conditions. We are not after any ambit claim. Again, the company is profitable.

Lately, operations have continued as normal during the pandemic but they asked us to take a temporary (yeah right) pay cut!

Eff'n grubs.

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