3801 Boiler and it's return to operation

 
  ssaunders Train Controller

3801 went for a run today and two days ago. From info received, next Wednesday to Newcastle and Cowan bank.

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  DCook Chief Train Controller

Location: The standard state
3801 went for a run today and two days ago. From info received, next Wednesday to Newcastle and Cowan bank.
ssaunders
Any knowledge of times?
  DCook Chief Train Controller

Location: The standard state
A short video published by THNSW showing the locomotive running light engine from Thirlmere to Glenlee, the darker green is very apparent and the whole scene looks good with very little smoke

shorturl.at/grBJT
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
A short video published by THNSW showing the locomotive running light engine from Thirlmere to Glenlee, the darker green is very apparent and the whole scene looks good with very little smoke

shorturl.at/grBJT
DCook
I like the colour!
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
They let it out on it's lonesome on the mainline!
It truly is a new reality.
  DCook Chief Train Controller

Location: The standard state
They let it out on it's lonesome on the mainline!
It truly is a new reality.
lkernan
Social distancing still applies to operating locomotives and carriages
  studdo Locomotive Fireman

Like DC, would love to know times like when leaving Sydney and when through the River or Cowan on the way back.
The whistle on the Facebook video sounds a bit different from the earlier trials - a bit higher perhaps?
  Transtopic Deputy Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Like DC, would love to know times like when leaving Sydney and when through the River or Cowan on the way back.
The whistle on the Facebook video sounds a bit different from the earlier trials - a bit higher perhaps?
studdo
THNSW has stated in a newsletter today that they're not releasing the date and times for further trials to avoid people congregating together to watch it.
  M636C Minister for Railways

The whistle on the Facebook video sounds a bit different from the earlier trials - a bit higher perhaps?
studdo
At least in theory, the boiler pressure was limited to 215 pounds per square inch pressure after the new inner firebox was installed in 1986.

The new firebox was designed to allow the original 245 pounds per square inch pressure. This might be expected to change the tone of the whistle.

Peter
  a6et Minister for Railways

The whistle on the Facebook video sounds a bit different from the earlier trials - a bit higher perhaps?
At least in theory, the boiler pressure was limited to 215 pounds per square inch pressure after the new inner firebox was installed in 1986.

The new firebox was designed to allow the original 245 pounds per square inch pressure. This might be expected to change the tone of the whistle.

Peter
M636C
It certainly has a better sound to it than in the first few trial clips that I have watched, where the current sound is more close to how they generally sounded is in the initial blast. Would like to hear the whistle blown in a short blast, as per the old regulations that called for a short blast on passenger trains when ROW is given and the whistle sounded as acknowledgement and warning for people to move back from platform edge.

Something different to listen to, a combo in a double headed tour train some years back, the standard whistle at first is from the Pcl, the second is of a 38cl, the whistle was/is unigue but was also fitted to one other 38cl before withdrawal and fitted to this one
https://www.dropbox.com/t/U98JQqrBNfgNvZpg

I don't know if the link will work or not, so far its not, seems dropbox has changed a lot.
  studdo Locomotive Fireman

The whistle on the Facebook video sounds a bit different from the earlier trials - a bit higher perhaps?
At least in theory, the boiler pressure was limited to 215 pounds per square inch pressure after the new inner firebox was installed in 1986.

The new firebox was designed to allow the original 245 pounds per square inch pressure. This might be expected to change the tone of the whistle.

Peter
It certainly has a better sound to it than in the first few trial clips that I have watched, where the current sound is more close to how they generally sounded is in the initial blast. Would like to hear the whistle blown in a short blast, as per the old regulations that called for a short blast on passenger trains when ROW is given and the whistle sounded as acknowledgement and warning for people to move back from platform edge.

Something different to listen to, a combo in a double headed tour train some years back, the standard whistle at first is from the Pcl, the second is of a 38cl, the whistle was/is unigue but was also fitted to one other 38cl before withdrawal and fitted to this one
https://www.dropbox.com/t/U98JQqrBNfgNvZpg

I don't know if the link will work or not, so far its not, seems dropbox has changed a lot.
a6et
Sure sounds like a 38 (the link works BTW), thanks for posting. Personally, I like 3830's whistle. I never liked 3813's while 3820's was very high pitched, like on the Belbin videos you downloaded before.
  a6et Minister for Railways

The whistle on the Facebook video sounds a bit different from the earlier trials - a bit higher perhaps?
At least in theory, the boiler pressure was limited to 215 pounds per square inch pressure after the new inner firebox was installed in 1986.

The new firebox was designed to allow the original 245 pounds per square inch pressure. This might be expected to change the tone of the whistle.

Peter
It certainly has a better sound to it than in the first few trial clips that I have watched, where the current sound is more close to how they generally sounded is in the initial blast. Would like to hear the whistle blown in a short blast, as per the old regulations that called for a short blast on passenger trains when ROW is given and the whistle sounded as acknowledgement and warning for people to move back from platform edge.

Something different to listen to, a combo in a double headed tour train some years back, the standard whistle at first is from the Pcl, the second is of a 38cl, the whistle was/is unigue but was also fitted to one other 38cl before withdrawal and fitted to this one
https://www.dropbox.com/t/U98JQqrBNfgNvZpg

I don't know if the link will work or not, so far its not, seems dropbox has changed a lot.
Sure sounds like a 38 (the link works BTW), thanks for posting. Personally, I like 3830's whistle. I never liked 3813's while 3820's was very high pitched, like on the Belbin videos you downloaded before.
studdo
Thanks for the heads up Studdo.  That whistle on the Belbin video, I gather you are talking of 10 at Hawkesbury river, is very much the standard of how they all generally sounded, also the shortness of that whistle is the typical ROW whistle blow. For me whenever I heard a whistle like that I immediately looked for a 38cl.  I have been to China on several trips to capture the last of Chinese steam, of interest is their steamers had the same style and chime whistle as the 38's and they were on the JF, JS, SY & QJ, the first 3 classes also had both two single phase, with some having the cross compounds, with the QJ's having a large cross compound with a small mechanical lubricator on it, which was an interesting sound, the other 3 classes no matter them being single of cross compound types, sounded the same as the 27, 30Ts and 36cl.

As I reflect on the 38cl that I have both worked on and have captured the sounds of them including the whistles, what I have found is there are few that are very much the same tones. although in the main the initial sound will very much depend on whether the whistle is opened/operated by the drivers side air depressing valve or by the whistle chord. I found that most that had the chord opened tended to have a trail off and with less steam going through the whistle making for a lower sound at the end. I did firemans trials on 3809 and on the few occasions as a fireman and had to blow the whistle it actually had me looking for another engine nearby as the end sound was totally different.

The other aspect with the 38 and from what big engine drivers would say was water build up in the pipelines. The 57cl had a depression handle on both the drivers & firemans side, drivers usually wanted the firemans side turned off with the gate valve as the lines always had water in them and if one side was operated there would be water spray up from the valve, sometime very dirty, they got the fireman to use the chord.

The whistle in the clip is very much different to the normal 38cl, and when one heard it out on the road it sounded very unique indeed.  Loved it.
  studdo Locomotive Fireman

Any times for 3801's trial to Newcastle today (assuming it's going ahead)?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Saw this video on the Interwebs of 3801 at Chester Hill last night: https://www.flickr.com/photos/highplains68/49886336753/ (Plays in Flickr)
  studdo Locomotive Fireman

Saw this video on the Interwebs of 3801 at Chester Hill last night: https://www.flickr.com/photos/highplains68/49886336753/ (Plays in Flickr)
"Carnot"


Was it on the trial to Newcastle?
  w44 Station Staff

Cowan Bank at the moment by the looks...
  Bevan Wall Deputy Commissioner

Spectacular show on Cowan bank last night.
Enjoy,
BW


https://youtu.be/FXo-6UvW3qk
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Well done by all concerned; the thoroughness of the (local) rebuild and testing regime is extremely impressive.
We would never see anything like this in Victoria, more's the pity. History and preservation mean zilch to the powers-that-be down here.
  w44 Station Staff

Great footage, did it head back South last night?
  DCook Chief Train Controller

Location: The standard state
As someone younger than most on here, I have never been able to see 3801 in operation as it has been in the workshops for all but a few years of my life and only got to see it for the first time at Thirlmere in January
To say just thank you to the people who have worked on it for the past 12 years is a vast understatement, the amount of work needed to restore or overhaul a locomotive, let alone something like 3801 is immense

To all people involved, to the team at Chullora for all the restoration work, to the team at Dampflokwerk Meiningen for (trying) to construct a new boiler, to the people at Ainsworths at Goulburn for completing what was considered the impossible task of rebuilding the boiler and to the unknown person who wrote a letter to the NSWRTM in 2011 to warn them against sectioning the old boiler, Thank you all very much for your efforts
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Well done by all concerned; the thoroughness of the (local) rebuild and testing regime is extremely impressive.
We would never see anything like this in Victoria, more's the pity. History and preservation mean zilch to the powers-that-be down here.
Valvegear
Unless its Puffing Billy....
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
A nice touch to have an "01" on either end of the train in (almost) matching liveries!
  hbedriver Chief Train Controller

Regarding the comments from Freycinet;
I have seen and worked with guys running long cut offs adjusting the regulator to control speed, and with others running close to mid gear and full open regulator.

Most of the better drivers at Puffing Billy use minimal cut off (close to mid gear), a few still run long cut offs. The difference is about 30-40% greater fuel and water consumption using the long cut off.

Drivers I have worked with from South Africa and also Victorian main line steam mostly try to run with short cut offs. Hate shoveling for those using long travels. But then again, I’m lazy.

And in any case, the loco was being trialed, the purpose is to test the machine. If they want to flog it to test for wheelslips, so be it, that’s what they do trials for.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I have just been severely taken to task by a person whose knowledge and experience I greatly respect, over my earlier post in which I said that we would never see anything like this in Victoria.
I wasn't very clear about what I meant, so to clarify:-
We do have very great quality of locomotive restoration here - Steamrail's A2 being the latest example, and it is a superb job. I was never comparing our local workmanship with that of the Sydneysiders.

No; my comparison of the two States was simply about government and/or official help; it occurs in NSW and doesn't in Victoria. From the video, it seems that 3801 made two or three return passes between Hawkesbury River and Cowan. I could never envisage such a thing happening on our main north east line.
My apologies to any offended Victorians!
  Bevan Wall Deputy Commissioner

3801 departing Hawkesbury River this evening returning to Thirlmere.



https://youtu.be/qmNdi1lw478

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