XPT replacement thread 2019

 
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

CAF have added the NRF on to their website. Who knows maybe some manufacturing might be shifted to Australia because of Covid 19.

https://www.caf.net/en/productos-servicios/proyectos/proyecto-detalle.php?p=306

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  route14 Chief Commissioner

What's bi-mode about?  Diesel and overhead?
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
15 seconds with Google gives this fact sheet. Which says, in part:
Bi-mode is a diesel-electric hybrid which will allow the fleet to run on overhead power when operating on the electrified section of the train network. When operating outside of the electrified network, the train uses on-board Diesel Electric Multiple Units (DEMUs) to generate its own electricity.
NSW Trains
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Sorry, I can't access Google from where I am.
    Diesel engines on trains take a lot of diesel just to start.  If the train was in the suburban network for just a couple of hours is it really worth shutting down the diesel generator?
  RC6 Station Staff

Keep in mind the plan to cover the tracks at Sydney Terminal with office and apartment buildings. The bi-mode option enables the diesel engine to be shut down when the train is in densely populated areas thus lowering the pollution impact.
  Transtopic Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Sorry, I can't access Google from where I am.
    Diesel engines on trains take a lot of diesel just to start.  If the train was in the suburban network for just a couple of hours is it really worth shutting down the diesel generator?
route14
Yes. Bear in mind that the electrified network covers an extensive area radiating out of Sydney with long term plans to extend it to Maitland, Bathurst and Goulburn.  The extension of electrification on the South Coast Line from Kiama to Bomaderry (Nowra) will be operated by the electric Intercity trains.  

There will be considerable cost savings for regional and interstate trains when operating on the electrified network compared with all diesel operation, particularly on the shorter regional routes.  It goes without saying that electric operation will be more environmental friendly.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Sorry, I can't access Google from where I am.
    Diesel engines on trains take a lot of diesel just to start.  If the train was in the suburban network for just a couple of hours is it really worth shutting down the diesel generator?
route14


Not the modern units in the new regional fleet. They may take a little extra fuel but not 2-3 hours worth of fuel and so yes it is worth shutting the diesel generator down. It is especially good for the environment at Central where there will no longer be diesel emissions from these trains while waiting. The electric trains are also much more efficient at climbing in and out of Sydney.
  ANR Chief Commissioner

Any news on when the CAF will hit our shores?

There has been very little about this project cited in the press since the train was selected to replace the XPT.

Never mind.

I had a brief glimpse of an XPT today at dusk and noticed something different about it. Does it now have LED high beams?
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
Amtrak uses dual mode locomotives for its trains to enter New York Penn station.
  tazzer96 Chief Commissioner

Amtrak uses dual mode locomotives for its trains to enter New York Penn station.
GeoffreyHansen
Thats only because there is a legal requirement.  If they weren't forced to do it, they wouldn't.  Same goes for New Jersey Transits Dual mode locomotives.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line

I had a brief glimpse of an XPT today at dusk and noticed something different about it. Does it now have LED high beams?
ANR

XPT's have had LED headlights for several years. I first noticed them around 7 years ago.

M.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Any news on when the CAF will hit our shores?

There has been very little about this project cited in the press since the train was selected to replace the XPT.

Never mind.

I had a brief glimpse of an XPT today at dusk and noticed something different about it. Does it now have LED high beams?
ANR

No news yet. Not really sure what is happening with spain being so affected by the human malware.
  ANR Chief Commissioner

So they have had their LEDs for 7 years?

Obviously I haven't been paying attention.

I am not counting down the days for the CAF to arrive.

It is just that nothing has been forthcoming about the project since it was first announced.

With any luck it will be scrapped.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

So they have had their LEDs for 7 years?

Obviously I haven't been paying attention.

I am not counting down the days for the CAF to arrive.

It is just that nothing has been forthcoming about the project since it was first announced.

With any luck it will be scrapped.
ANR
No chance of that. Too far progressed to do that. Besides the XPT's and others are life expired. The only thing I don't like about the CAF trains are that they are built using aluminium not stainless steel I just hope crash standards are not compromised.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
The only thing I don't like about the CAF trains are that they are built using aluminium not stainless steel I just hope crash standards are not compromised.
nswtrains
That was something to come out of the Ladbroke Grove enquiry. The SPAD'ing train was built from welded aluminium with the HST it hit being traditional steel. The turbo burst apart like a squashed tomato with the HST ploughing through it like a battering ram due to its' heavy steel frame.
  UpperQuad Locomotive Fireman

Location: 184.8 miles to Sydney
I am not counting down the days for the CAF to arrive.
It is just that nothing has been forthcoming about the project since it was first announced.
ANR
What a load of crap. Google "Regional Rail Project" to find out more, and read the Frequently Asked Questions. The Dubbo maintenance facility is under construction, but the new trains are some years off. There hasn't been much in the wider media since the contract was awarded because the project is still four years from completion - expect a lot of press attention in the lead-up to the next state election.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

MP Paul O'toole released this video. https://fb.watch/2eL5dSCCPU/
  PeeJay Junior Train Controller

Location: Riverstone NSW
NSW crash standards were substantially increased after the Waterfall accident.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

NSW crash standards were substantially increased after the Waterfall accident.
PeeJay
This new train will have to meet those same standards. The frame is going to be steel with the body panels built of Aluminium and probably some composite material just as the XPT has up front.
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Would it be a possibility or a good idea for the SA and Vic governments to place additional orders for these longer distance trains for say Whyalla and Bordertown and Mildura and Horsham?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Would it be a possibility or a good idea for the SA and Vic governments to place additional orders for these longer distance trains for say Whyalla and Bordertown and Mildura and Horsham?
NSWGR8022
They could, the design isn't owned by NSW Trains, they are just a customer.

However Victoria has the V/locity, with sparking of the Geelong line a number will be released for other duties.

SA also has the 3000/3100 cars which will be displaced from the Gawler line.

In both cases it wouldn't take much to upgrade them to longer haul use.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Would it be a possibility or a good idea for the SA and Vic governments to place additional orders for these longer distance trains for say Whyalla and Bordertown and Mildura and Horsham?
NSWGR8022

Vic have their Vlocities and as for SA I would think they would probably buy Vlocities as well if they wanted although RTT's solution after the electrical section is done is also viable. What you might see is the diesels running from the outskirts of the overhead to more regional areas.

Neither state will be ordering these new NSW trains or adding to the order especially Victoria.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Would it be a possibility or a good idea for the SA and Vic governments to place additional orders for these longer distance trains for say Whyalla and Bordertown and Mildura and Horsham?
NSWGR8022

I remember the good old days of the Bordertown Express Razz
  ANR Chief Commissioner

Unless covid disappears anytime soon, it will be a stretch to expect that the trains will be delivered by the next election cycle.

If the wheels fall off the XPT by then, there is always the option of hook and pull.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Unless covid disappears anytime soon, it will be a stretch to expect that the trains will be delivered by the next election cycle.

If the wheels fall off the XPT by then, there is always the option of hook and pull.
ANR

That isn't an option. Hook and pull is never returning to NSW passenger services again outside of heritage and the IP.

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