Andrews Government unveils $2.7 billion building blitz including road and rail upgrades

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 18 May 2020 09:21
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Now is the time to spend $0.5 million on North Shore.  


Just in time for The Overland to end.


Public Service mantra - upgrade before closure!
Donald

The Overland is not ending but it does raise the question of why this awful situation of sunch a run down station has not been addressed earlier?

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  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Now is the time to spend $0.5 million on North Shore.  


Just in time for The Overland to end.


Public Service mantra - upgrade before closure!

The Overland is not ending but it does raise the question of why this awful situation of sunch a run down station has not been addressed earlier?
bevans
I mean.... the locals will probably trash it.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
With the massive cash splash on the regional rail network the Rail Futures Group is calling on the government to sort out the Bendigo to Inglewood rail line https://t.co/aJRSu0GeS7 which would also allow grain to return to bridgewater and potentially allow extension of passenegr services to Inglewodd.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Now is the time to spend $0.5 million on North Shore.  


Just in time for The Overland to end.


Public Service mantra - upgrade before closure!

The Overland is not ending but it does raise the question of why this awful situation of sunch a run down station has not been addressed earlier?
bevans
I mean.... the locals will probably trash it.
"speedemon08"

Or film another porno there...
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

Or film another porno there...
Dangersdan707

Sounds awful.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Where is all the money coming from? It was revealed the other day that Melbourne Metro is now $3,000,000,000+ over budget and also that Westgate Tunnel was likely to be $2,000,000,000+ over budget because of the problems with the contractors and the contaminated soil. Andrews was already projected to hit $90 billion debt by the time of the next election - the way they're spending it will probably be $100,000,000,000.

He's making Cain/Kirner look frugal.
  501M Train Controller

Location: The Borough
Where is all the money coming from? It was revealed the other day that Melbourne Metro is now $3,000,000,000+ over budget and also that Westgate Tunnel was likely to be $2,000,000,000+ over budget because of the problems with the contractors and the contaminated soil. Andrews was already projected to hit $90 billion debt by the time of the next election - the way they're spending it will probably be $100,000,000,000.

He's making Cain/Kirner look frugal.
don_dunstan
Well Dodgy Dan won't say where the money is coming from at the moment. My guess would be the China belt and road initiative.
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

Where is all the money coming from? Westgate Tunnel was likely to be $2,000,000,000+ over budget
don_dunstan
Wasn't the WGT fully funded by TransUrban and the extended tolls? Or is it another case of privatise the profits and socialise the expenses?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Where is all the money coming from? Westgate Tunnel was likely to be $2,000,000,000+ over budget
Wasn't the WGT fully funded by TransUrban and the extended tolls? Or is it another case of privatise the profits and socialise the expenses?
John.Z
Don't live in Melbourne so I haven't been following it but my understanding is the contractors are doing the same thing that they did to the Sydney Light Rail project and are caught with unforeseen costs they're trying to pass onto the government - and it's all going to end up being a festival-of-lawyers costing taxpayer even more than the already-projected over-runs.

Is it any shock that a tunnel under the Yarra underneath a busy ship lane is turning out to be technically difficult... toxic contaminated soil among the most prominent of the complaints. One of our better-informed Railpagers might be able to expand further on that one.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Where is all the money coming from? It was revealed the other day that Melbourne Metro is now $3,000,000,000+ over budget and also that Westgate Tunnel was likely to be $2,000,000,000+ over budget because of the problems with the contractors and the contaminated soil. Andrews was already projected to hit $90 billion debt by the time of the next election - the way they're spending it will probably be $100,000,000,000.

He's making Cain/Kirner look frugal.
Well Dodgy Dan won't say where the money is coming from at the moment. My guess would be the China belt and road initiative.
501M
It would be incredibly interesting if that's where the money was coming from (to say the least). I'm kinda surprised that Chinese construction companies haven't been invitied to tender for these big ticket things given that Chairman Dan signed up to that Belt and Road "initiative" (whatever that actually meant).
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
A North Shore station upgrade is really a no-brainer.  It's the closest that Public transport gets to the pier where the Spirit of Tasmania will soon be berthing at.

Jacinta had a big press con this morning.  This was mentioned in the accompanying press release:
https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/victorias-big-build-to-heat-up-during-winter/

"A range of track renewal and maintenance works will take place in the CBD and on the regional train network – on the Bendigo, Swan Hill and Echuca lines."
Carnot
Looking at Google Earth a few weeks ago when the Spirit of Tasmania announcement was made it was apparent that North Shore was a bit far by foot from the proposed ferry terminal. Any suggestion of a move or co-location?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Now is the time to spend $0.5 million on North Shore.  


Just in time for The Overland to end.


Public Service mantra - upgrade before closure!

The Overland is not ending but it does raise the question of why this awful situation of sunch a run down station has not been addressed earlier?
bevans
We don't know that - yet. It hasn't resumed at last glance - you can't book any journey at the moment and there's no announcement from Journey Beyond about when it might resume.
  cbinyon Chief Train Controller

Location: London, England
Or they could finish the half completed MRBP project first and not require this very unlikely project?
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

I'm tired of hearing Dodgy Dan and Chairman Dan, since it's just name calling the government. There's no need for it. All forms of government have their faults and their strong points. Daniel Andrews well whether you like him or not, he has pretty good leadership skills and knows what the people want (infrastructure, jobs, good education and health). To be honest he's not a perfect leader, but definitely not an incompetent one. He obviously works hard especially with policy making and seeing what works and doesn't. Clearly has a passion at his job, and great at persuading the public on his ambitious agenda.

Obviously the government and the private consortium has hit some issues relevant to the West Gate Tunnel. All I can blame the government for in terms of the West Gate Tunnel project was they formed a deal with Transurban when they were in opposition, without public knowledge until after the state election. A political decision that is costing them scrutiny right now. Transurban did take the deal the government, well knowing the challenges beforehand and can't take responsibility of not managing the PFAS soil issue properly. They are definitely most responsible in this situation.

Don is incorrect with the location of the tunnel, the tunnel doesn't go under the Yarra river at all, it comes up at the surface just before the Maribyrnong river and bridges over that river. The soil issue is due an incident where there were significant industrial fires in Coode Island and used PFAS to contain the fire, and this has been found in the soils near where they dug out the soil at Yarraville.

The 3 billion dollar blowout figure for Metro Tunnel is probably on the high-end, It'll be more within the realms of a 1-1.5 billion dollar extra amount by the end of the project. There is nothing concrete about it and it'll be noted later when the government strikes a deal with the Cross Yarra partnership consortium.

Hope this really is informative. Just a little note, while I'm not perfectly satisfied with the current government, but yeah the current idea of the government to spend 2.7 billion dollars on many small projects is actually a smart response, they can be delivered ASAP, with jobs coming right away, and small projects deliver higher benefits with low risk. Something like the SRL, while is long term, would do little in terms of getting a pipeline of jobs straight away.
  501M Train Controller

Location: The Borough
I'm tired of hearing Dodgy Dan and Chairman Dan, since it's just name calling the government. There's no need for it. All forms of government have their faults and their strong points. Daniel Andrews well whether you like him or not, he has pretty good leadership skills and knows what the people want (infrastructure, jobs, good education and health). To be honest he's not a perfect leader, but definitely not an incompetent one. He obviously works hard especially with policy making and seeing what works and doesn't. Clearly has a passion at his job, and great at persuading the public on his ambitious agenda.
True Believers

Well you are going to keep on hearing them.  Don is correct, Dan is making the Cain/Kirner governments look fiscally responsible.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

I'd rather call him, Dan the man with the beers. XD



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hOK5JF5XGA
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
It would be incredibly interesting if that's where the money was coming from (to say the least). I'm kinda surprised that Chinese construction companies haven't been invitied to tender for these big ticket things given that Chairman Dan signed up to that Belt and Road "initiative" (whatever that actually meant).
don_dunstan

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/minister-refuses-to-clarify-chinese-links-to-245bn-loan-plan/news-story/3532bb9a84d081a692970ee44364095a

The fact that she will not confirm who the state is borrowing the money from and at what cost and for what purpose is just wrong.
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
Where is all the money coming from? It was revealed the other day that Melbourne Metro is now $3,000,000,000+ over budget and also that Westgate Tunnel was likely to be $2,000,000,000+ over budget because of the problems with the contractors and the contaminated soil. Andrews was already projected to hit $90 billion debt by the time of the next election - the way they're spending it will probably be $100,000,000,000.

He's making Cain/Kirner look frugal.
Well Dodgy Dan won't say where the money is coming from at the moment. My guess would be the China belt and road initiative.
It would be incredibly interesting if that's where the money was coming from (to say the least). I'm kinda surprised that Chinese construction companies haven't been invitied to tender for these big ticket things given that Chairman Dan signed up to that Belt and Road "initiative" (whatever that actually meant).
don_dunstan
So Don you're kinda surprised by your own lack of knowledge.  Not surprising since you have no idea what is going on in Vic. , just the usual shoot from hip and see what crap sticks.

"Chinese construction companies", you really have no idea who John Holland and CPD Partners are .

cheers
John
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
It would be incredibly interesting if that's where the money was coming from (to say the least). I'm kinda surprised that Chinese construction companies haven't been invitied to tender for these big ticket things given that Chairman Dan signed up to that Belt and Road "initiative" (whatever that actually meant).

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/minister-refuses-to-clarify-chinese-links-to-245bn-loan-plan/news-story/3532bb9a84d081a692970ee44364095a

The fact that she will not confirm who the state is borrowing the money from and at what cost and for what purpose is just wrong.
bevans
PAYWALL @bevans. I wouldnt give that rag a cent.

cheers
John
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Where is all the money coming from? It was revealed the other day that Melbourne Metro is now $3,000,000,000+ over budget and also that Westgate Tunnel was likely to be $2,000,000,000+ over budget because of the problems with the contractors and the contaminated soil. Andrews was already projected to hit $90 billion debt by the time of the next election - the way they're spending it will probably be $100,000,000,000.

He's making Cain/Kirner look frugal.
don_dunstan

You've got to love all the Zero's...000000000.

For added effect of course...

Perhaps with the parlous state of SA's finances, perhaps your attention and concerns should be directed to your own backyard and advocacy for eventual return of a AAA credit rating, by all three ratings agencies as is the case in Victoria.

Mike.
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
With the massive cash splash on the regional rail network the Rail Futures Group is calling on the government to sort out the Bendigo to Inglewood rail line https://t.co/aJRSu0GeS7 which would also allow grain to return to bridgewater and potentially allow extension of passenegr services to Inglewodd.
bevans
Yet another RFI pipe dream.

With absolutely NO evidence, it is asserted that there are not enough paths for the Grain trains (both SG and BG) to get to Geelong & beyond.

This week's stats from Gheringhap Loop clearly expose that fallacy.

Passenger trains to Inglewood. FFS.

Just because RFI put out a release, doesn't merit a re-tweet.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
So Don you're kinda surprised by your own lack of knowledge.  Not surprising since you have no idea what is going on in Vic. , just the usual shoot from hip and see what crap sticks.

"Chinese construction companies", you really have no idea who John Holland and CPD Partners are .

cheers
John
justarider
Are you a true believer in Chairman Dan? And lo and behold I was right about Chairman Dan's smoochy relationship with China, John Holland is indeed owned by the Chinese.

You don't have to congratulate me for working it out in advance, I'm quite intuitive like that.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Where is all the money coming from? It was revealed the other day that Melbourne Metro is now $3,000,000,000+ over budget and also that Westgate Tunnel was likely to be $2,000,000,000+ over budget because of the problems with the contractors and the contaminated soil. Andrews was already projected to hit $90 billion debt by the time of the next election - the way they're spending it will probably be $100,000,000,000.

He's making Cain/Kirner look frugal.

You've got to love all the Zero's...000000000.

For added effect of course...

Perhaps with the parlous state of SA's finances, perhaps your attention and concerns should be directed to your own backyard and advocacy for eventual return of a AAA credit rating, by all three ratings agencies as is the case in Victoria.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Is it a bit much for you seeing the real cost of all these projects spelt out to their true length? You might have to stand next to your fainting couch when you see the debt projections, they're very scary.

If Chairman Dan is borrowing money from the Chinese government then I think the Victorian taxpayers have a right to know about that - they've demonstrated with Sri Lanka and Cambodia that they're prepared to use that cash as leverage to get you to do what they want. There's big strings attached to anything that comes from the Chinese government.

Triple AAA credit rating is meaningless, these are the same ratings agencies that said Bear Sterns was solid as a rock.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
So Don you're kinda surprised by your own lack of knowledge.  Not surprising since you have no idea what is going on in Vic. , just the usual shoot from hip and see what crap sticks.

"Chinese construction companies", you really have no idea who John Holland and CPD Partners are .

cheers
John
Are you a true believer in Chairman Dan? And lo and behold I was right about Chairman Dan's smoochy relationship with China, John Holland is indeed owned by the Chinese.

You don't have to congratulate me for working it out in advance, I'm quite intuitive like that.
don_dunstan
WTF THAT SOUNDS BASED AF, I now love Dan Andrews and have unquestioning support for him if what you told me is 100% True. I look forward to his mass purges of the landlords and Nationals Voting Kulaks from Victoria in our upcoming Great and Glorious Proletarian Revolution. 1000 years to Comrade Dan! (I'm His Body double BTW).
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
With the massive cash splash on the regional rail network the Rail Futures Group is calling on the government to sort out the Bendigo to Inglewood rail line https://t.co/aJRSu0GeS7 which would also allow grain to return to bridgewater and potentially allow extension of passenegr services to Inglewodd.

Passenger trains to Inglewood. FFS.
justarider

Come on there has already been a study on extending trains to Bridgewater IIRC.  Inglewood longer term.

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