50 level crossings to be removed

 
  Lockie91 Chief Train Controller

Long disruption for Upfield line passengers https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/four-level-crossing-removals-among-program-of-winter-works.

I'm assuming it's easier and quicker to build without having a live railway line below, plus the low frequency and relatively few stations past Anstey make it easier to justify such a long shutdown.
John E
It is impossible to build anything on the corridor with the rail line below, it is far too narrow. Piers for the elevated structure are going smack in the middle of the corridor. It is not like other projects were rail lines can be slewed and a trench or piers built along side, then a week shutdown for a tie in.

Boardings are around 4000 people, its a big difference to Frankston & Dandenong. Plus you have the 19 & 58 trams that run parallel to the corridor.

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  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

I am losing track of all of this......................................Embarassed
  EmrldPhoenix Station Master

Location: Melbourne, VIC
I am losing track of all of this......................................Embarassed
trainbrain

Here is how I'm keeping track.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/drive?state=%7B%22ids%22%3A%5B%221cB5m0YujJJHtSe47KTI_1IloJ0gfMmXu%22%5D%2C%22action%22%3A%22open%22%2C%22userId%22%3A%22105084730697066580005%22%7D&usp=sharing

This Google Map document started as a level crossing map. It has evolved to include all commuter rail projects in metropolitan Melbourne.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15g-847s-xnBn7Nn0g7oK69Au3SFP5gHEdWLgGGFeBps/edit?usp=sharing

This Google Sheet is how I keep track of statistics and other more granular information not covered by the map. This document covers the top ~290 level crossings according to the 2008 ALCAM report.

The information in the Sheets document is way out of date, but it is a good starting point. It includes many level crossings on VLine tracks, or even just straight up freight lines, but almost all of the metropolitan crossings are here. Exceptions are 2 crossings on the Sunbury line, about 10 on the Stony Point line and 1 private crossing on the Hurstbridge line.

I update these as often as I can, but sometimes the information may be incorrect or I'm just late. Feel free to drop me a line and tell me if anything is wrong.
  roguex Beginner

Hi all.
Just wondering if anyone has any news about when the level crossing at Deer Park station will begin work and the other lxs on that line? Since the announcement there hasn't been any news on it. I know Brimbank council sent design guidelines to LXRP late last year.
I did see some people boring holes around Deer Park station middle of last year if I remember correctly but nothing since then.

Given the possibility of the Sunshine station upgrade, the electrification of the Melton line and possibly some sort of fast rail to Geelong, is this causing the lx project to be postponed or expanded to cover all of this?

The lx at Deer Park station is a nightmare in the morning. Especially turning right into Tilburn rd from Mt Derrimut Rd. If you time it badly it can take at least 30mins+ sometimes to travel less than 50m. Plus it's going to get worse as they announced more vline services.
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

Hi all. Just wondering if anyone has any news about when the level crossing at Deer Park station will begin work and the other lxs on that line? Since the announcement there hasn't been any news on it. I know Brimbank council sent design guidelines to LXRP late last year. I did see some people boring holes around Deer Park station middle of last year if I remember correctly but nothing since then. Given the possibility of the Sunshine station upgrade, the electrification of the Melton line and possibly some sort of fast rail to Geelong, is this causing the lx project to be postponed or expanded to cover all of this? The lx at Deer Park station is a nightmare in the morning. Especially turning right into Tilburn rd from Mt Derrimut Rd. If you time it badly it can take at least 30mins+ sometimes to travel less than 50m. Plus it's going to get worse as they announced more vline services.
roguex

It won't be removed until sometime between 2022 and 2025. They're focusing on removing the original 50 plus the part of the new 25 that are near the original 50 of which will take them up to 2022. It's probably for the best that they wait though because by the time they remove it they'll probably be quadruplicating the line and maybe even electrifying it as you suggested.
Also being a V/line crossing in the western suburbs I think it will naturally find itself down the priority list, so you'll probably have to wait until closer to 2025. Of the new 25 that aren't going with the original 50, I would speculate that they would do the ones on the Cranbourne, Pakenham and Sunbury lines first in preparation for the Metro Tunnel, then move onto doing the Frankston line ones because of sAndBelT voTes, the remaining two Ringwood line ones and eventually get to Deer Park.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Also, just because Brimbank council sent through their guidlines, don't think for one minute that the LXRP is obligated to follow them. Sure, they may do so, but if they find a reason not too, they will go their own way. Mooney Valley council found that out the hard way when they didn't get their wishes with the Buckley St crossing.

As, reubstar6 said, these 3 crossings are a bit further down in the queue and won't be touched until some time after the 2022 election.
  PE2010 Station Master

Location: Newcastle
I am losing track of all of this......................................Embarassed

Here is how I'm keeping track.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/drive?state=%7B%22ids%22%3A%5B%221cB5m0YujJJHtSe47KTI_1IloJ0gfMmXu%22%5D%2C%22action%22%3A%22open%22%2C%22userId%22%3A%22105084730697066580005%22%7D&usp=sharing

This Google Map document started as a level crossing map. It has evolved to include all commuter rail projects in metropolitan Melbourne.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15g-847s-xnBn7Nn0g7oK69Au3SFP5gHEdWLgGGFeBps/edit?usp=sharing

This Google Sheet is how I keep track of statistics and other more granular information not covered by the map. This document covers the top ~290 level crossings according to the 2008 ALCAM report.

The information in the Sheets document is way out of date, but it is a good starting point. It includes many level crossings on VLine tracks, or even just straight up freight lines, but almost all of the metropolitan crossings are here. Exceptions are 2 crossings on the Sunbury line, about 10 on the Stony Point line and 1 private crossing on the Hurstbridge line.

I update these as often as I can, but sometimes the information may be incorrect or I'm just late. Feel free to drop me a line and tell me if anything is wrong.
EmrldPhoenix

Great information. Thanks for sharing. It's hard to believe there are still so many on the busy road network even though they started grade separating all those years ago.

I wonder if you can call Middleborough Rd, Box Hill the first real grade separation project.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

I am losing track of all of this......................................Embarassed

Here is how I'm keeping track.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/drive?state=%7B%22ids%22%3A%5B%221cB5m0YujJJHtSe47KTI_1IloJ0gfMmXu%22%5D%2C%22action%22%3A%22open%22%2C%22userId%22%3A%22105084730697066580005%22%7D&usp=sharing

This Google Map document started as a level crossing map. It has evolved to include all commuter rail projects in metropolitan Melbourne.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15g-847s-xnBn7Nn0g7oK69Au3SFP5gHEdWLgGGFeBps/edit?usp=sharing

This Google Sheet is how I keep track of statistics and other more granular information not covered by the map. This document covers the top ~290 level crossings according to the 2008 ALCAM report.

The information in the Sheets document is way out of date, but it is a good starting point. It includes many level crossings on VLine tracks, or even just straight up freight lines, but almost all of the metropolitan crossings are here. Exceptions are 2 crossings on the Sunbury line, about 10 on the Stony Point line and 1 private crossing on the Hurstbridge line.

I update these as often as I can, but sometimes the information may be incorrect or I'm just late. Feel free to drop me a line and tell me if anything is wrong.

Great information. Thanks for sharing. It's hard to believe there are still so many on the busy road network even though they started grade separating all those years ago.

I wonder if you can call Middleborough Rd, Box Hill the first real grade separation project.
PE2010
First real ones were Boronia Rd and Station St Box Hill
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
First real ones were Boronia Rd and Station St Box Hill
"trainbrain"
I'm not sure what you mean by "real ones" but the road overpasses at Clifton Hill and Newport were earlier.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

First real ones were Boronia Rd and Station St Box Hill
I'm not sure what you mean by "real ones" but the road overpasses at Clifton Hill and Newport were earlier.
Valvegear

Warrigal Rd at Oakleigh about the same time as those also, wasn't it?
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Flinders Street to Caulfield predated all of those. Lots of level crossings removed in that stretch.
  Rossco T Chief Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria

It won't be removed until sometime between 2022 and 2025. They're focusing on removing the original 50 plus the part of the new 25 that are near the original 50 of which will take them up to 2022. It's probably for the best that they wait though because by the time they remove it they'll probably be quadruplicating the line and maybe even electrifying it as you suggested.
reubstar6
I reckon that there's a good chance that the three level crossings on the Melton Line will all be included as part of the Melton electrification/quadruplication project (whenever that gets announced).

This is similar to how the two on the Waurn Ponds line will be done as part of that duplication project.

Ross
  Rossco T Chief Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
Also, just because Brimbank council sent through their guidlines, don't think for one minute that the LXRP is obligated to follow them. Sure, they may do so, but if they find a reason not too, they will go their own way. Mooney Valley council found that out the hard way when they didn't get their wishes with the Buckley St crossing.

As, reubstar6 said, these 3 crossings are a bit further down in the queue and won't be touched until some time after the 2022 election.
Gman_86
Still doesn't hurt for the Council to be proactive though, and get their design guidelines out into the public domain.

The problem with the Buckley Street crossing is that what Council were wanting (lowering the railway/new station and re-do Mount Alexander Road as a rail underpass) was going to cost something like 3 times as much as the LXRP project that was completed.

I think if Brimbank were wise they would come up with some guidelines that are fairly cost neutral to whatever LXRP has planned.

Ross
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Flinders Street to Caulfield predated all of those. Lots of level crossings removed in that stretch.
"duttonbay"
Have you any more detail on those that you could post without a lot of trouble? (Locations and approximate years)
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Flinders Street to Caulfield predated all of those. Lots of level crossings removed in that stretch.
Have you any more detail on those that you could post without a lot of trouble? (Locations and approximate years)
Valvegear
A quick hunt finds the level crossing at Richmond was replaced when the line was raised in 1885. From South Yarra to Caulfield the line had level crossings at multiple places, replaced during the quadding process in 1915 or thereabouts, when the line was lowered between SY and Malvern and raised from there to Caulfield.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Thanks for the info duttonbay.
  EmrldPhoenix Station Master

Location: Melbourne, VIC
A quick hunt finds the level crossing at Richmond was replaced when the line was raised in 1885. From South Yarra to Caulfield the line had level crossings at multiple places, replaced during the quadding process in 1915 or thereabouts, when the line was lowered between SY and Malvern and raised from there to Caulfield.
duttonbay
This report looks into the history of level crossings in Melbourne. It also analyses various methods of level crossing removals, but that is less relevant.

http://mams.rmit.edu.au/51zakugpfi4ez.pdf

On page 15 of the attached report, Armadale Station is shown to have been regraded by 1910. However this had to be before the quadding of the line, as only 3 tracks are visible in the image.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

A quick hunt finds the level crossing at Richmond was replaced when the line was raised in 1885. From South Yarra to Caulfield the line had level crossings at multiple places, replaced during the quadding process in 1915 or thereabouts, when the line was lowered between SY and Malvern and raised from there to Caulfield.
This report looks into the history of level crossings in Melbourne. It also analyses various methods of level crossing removals, but that is less relevant.

http://mams.rmit.edu.au/51zakugpfi4ez.pdf

On page 15 of the attached report, Armadale Station is shown to have been regraded by 1910. However this had to be before the quadding of the line, as only 3 tracks are visible in the image.
EmrldPhoenix
Yes. In an article in Somersault discussing tram crossings it states "A potential crossing at Armadale (1910) was avoided by advancing part of the major regrading project on the Caulfield line". So the line was lowered there prior to the tram tracks being laid along High Street. Thinking ahead and planning with other transport modes ... not something you seem to see much of these days.
  thekingoffoxes Chief Train Controller
  CraigieburnLineUser Locomotive Fireman

The artist impression shows John Street levelled out, ie fully rail-over-road. William Street East, including south of the roundabout, remains.

From LXRP website:
https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/projects/maroondah-highway-lilydale/image-gallery#gallery-384499-4
kitchgp
The John Street question seems to have been answered in the new station precinct photos. According to yesterday's update it will be raised (note not razed Very Happy)

Lilydale Station Precinct
  LeroyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Awaiting MM2
The artist impression shows John Street levelled out, ie fully rail-over-road. William Street East, including south of the roundabout, remains.

From LXRP website:
https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/projects/maroondah-highway-lilydale/image-gallery#gallery-384499-4
The John Street question seems to have been answered in the new station precinct photos. According to yesterday's update it will be raised (note not razed Very Happy)

Lilydale Station Precinct
CraigieburnLineUser
I had really wondered if they were going to close one side of William St to through traffic, to stop it being a rat-run around the station and to make the area much more pedestrian friendly.  Guess not looking at that - cars rule.
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
The John Street question seems to have been answered in the new station precinct photos. According to yesterday's update it will be raised (note not razed Very Happy)

Lilydale Station Precinct
I had really wondered if they were going to close one side of William St to through traffic, to stop it being a rat-run around the station and to make the area much more pedestrian friendly.  Guess not looking at that - cars rule.
LeroyW
Cars might rule,
but obviously the work experience kid who drew this with a slide-rule hasn't got a driver's licence yet.

Doesn't know that in OZ we drive on the left.
As designed, I wonder how many dingbats will drive up the wrong way and head-on a bus. LOL

cheers
John
  Rossco T Chief Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
Cars might rule,
but obviously the work experience kid who drew this with a slide-rule hasn't got a driver's licence yet.

Doesn't know that in OZ we drive on the left.
As designed, I wonder how many dingbats will drive up the wrong way and head-on a bus. LOL

cheers
John
justarider

Yes but the streets need to be orientated that way so that the buses can stop next to the station without the need for passengers transferring from train to bus to have to cross the road.

I agree on the face of it, this may appear confusing, but it makes sense when you think about it from the point of view of safety for a transferring passenger.  Luckily the two streets are a fair distance apart with the station forecourt area in between, so I don't expect too many motorists to get confused.

Ross
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

From the artist’s impression, buses into the William Street West bays from Maroondah Highway. Out via John Street (under bridge) and William Street East to Maroondah Highway.
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
Cars might rule,
but obviously the work experience kid who drew this with a slide-rule hasn't got a driver's licence yet.

Doesn't know that in OZ we drive on the left.
As designed, I wonder how many dingbats will drive up the wrong way and head-on a bus. LOL

cheers
John

Yes but the streets need to be orientated that way so that the buses can stop next to the station without the need for passengers transferring from train to bus to have to cross the road.

I agree on the face of it, this may appear confusing, but it makes sense when you think about it from the point of view of safety for a transferring passenger.  Luckily the two streets are a fair distance apart with the station forecourt area in between, so I don't expect too many motorists to get confused.

Ross
Rossco T
"have to cross the road"
Yeah nah Ross, they are one way streets that can have parking bay on either side, nothing unusual about that.

Although @kitch picked up about the loop via John St.
Bus does left turn, left turn , no crossing traffic at John St - and then back out again.
All so bus doesn't do U turn within the station precinct itself, messy traffic but some pedestrians wiill have some nice bushes to sit among(maybe).

cheers
John

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