The corona virus COVID-19

 
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Diseastern? That's a beauty, from the people who invented Snowtown, Truro etc etc. !

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  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Diseastern? That's a beauty, from the people who invented Snowtown, Truro etc etc. !
billybaxter
That from a person whom doesn’t understand the term ‘invented’. BTW how’s the Belanglo State Forest doing these days? You invented that didn’t you?
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Yes we do have our own rules and procedures; however, this woman was discharged early and flew to Adelaide where she was tested on arrival at the airport.

The eastern infection board sent us a case that should never have been allowed in a public place in the first instance.
More details have emerged, it turns out she tested negative three days after arriving from a problem country and was then released by the Victorians after seven without a second test.

That raises an interesting question about how things are going on the diseastern seaboard - are they getting false negatives or are their quarantine systems in fact petri dishes where the virus is running wild?

Moving forward, perhaps the way towards allowing personal travel into the SA/WA/Qld/NT travel zone will be for those states to deploy staff into the diseastern states where they would operate pre-departure testing instead of the locals.
justapassenger
Yes, more details have emerged.

Turns out that South Australian authorities knew exactly what was coming, but failed to act:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-28/sa-backtracks-after-accusing-victoria-over-coronavirus-case/12294962

This is similar to the situation in Fremantle with the live export carrier, where McGowan made a goose of himself by shooting from the lip without knowing all the facts.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Yes, it does look like there was a bit of mishandling of a bad situation by SA Health, but they got there in the end (by testing her when she got off the plane). I'd give that a "pass, but could do better next time" grade.

That mishandling wouldn't have happened if the Victorians had not created the situation in the first place by allowing her to leave her international arrival quarantine so quickly with only one negative (false negative?) test result.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Yes we do have our own rules and procedures; however, this woman was discharged early and flew to Adelaide where she was tested on arrival at the airport.

The eastern infection board sent us a case that should never have been allowed in a public place in the first instance.
More details have emerged, it turns out she tested negative three days after arriving from a problem country and was then released by the Victorians after seven without a second test.

That raises an interesting question about how things are going on the diseastern seaboard - are they getting false negatives or are their quarantine systems in fact petri dishes where the virus is running wild?

Moving forward, perhaps the way towards allowing personal travel into the SA/WA/Qld/NT travel zone will be for those states to deploy staff into the diseastern states where they would operate pre-departure testing instead of the locals.
Yes, more details have emerged.

Turns out that South Australian authorities knew exactly what was coming, but failed to act:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-28/sa-backtracks-after-accusing-victoria-over-coronavirus-case/12294962

This is similar to the situation in Fremantle with the live export carrier, where McGowan made a goose of himself by shooting from the lip without knowing all the facts.
DirtyBallast
SA Health caught her at the border, had the health authorities on the diseasterm seaboard done their job she wouldn’t have got past her hotel door, let alone potentially infecting the staff that checked her out, the people she contacted between the hotel and airport, and passengers and staff on the aircraft. I suspect Victoria just wanted another case of their books.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
We had our own scare yesterday with our granddaughter (15) in hospital with respiratory problems. Sadly she has a long history of respiratory problems after being born prematurely and almost dying not long after birth. So she was tested for COVID-19, but fortunately the result was negative.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I hope she's improving by now, Graham.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
I hope she's improving by now, Graham.
Valvegear
Thanks, she's back home today and much improved.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

What's not improved lately is the Ruby Princess fiasco. NSW Health are now contacting the cruise passengers who survived COVID-19 to warn them that one of the crew from the ship has been diagnosed with tuberculosis.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

What's not improved lately is the Ruby Princess fiasco. NSW Health are now contacting the cruise passengers who survived COVID-19 to warn them that one of the crew from the ship has been diagnosed with tuberculosis.
justapassenger
I see that on Sunday 24/05/2020 a container ship lost 40 containers on the NSW South Coast.

The ship has been issued a $22 million fine for clean up costs.

Surely We should have done this with the Ruby Princess against future clean up costs.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
What's not improved lately is the Ruby Princess fiasco. NSW Health are now contacting the cruise passengers who survived COVID-19 to warn them that one of the crew from the ship has been diagnosed with tuberculosis.
"justapassenger"
That is positively criminal. BCG Vaccine for the prevention of tuberculosis has been available for 65 years. I had my shot at high school in the mid 1950's. Prior to that time TB was a serious problem, and there were roving X-Ray units where adults had to turn up for compulsory checks for TB. There were specialised sanatoriums (sanatoria?) for its treatment. The disease should not even exist in this day and age.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
The ship has been issued a $22 million fine for clean up costs.
theanimal
How can you fine an inanimate object? How can an inanimate object pay a fine?
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
The ship has been issued a $22 million fine for clean up costs.
How can you fine an inanimate object? How can an inanimate object pay a fine?
Graham4405
This is just loose speech, it happens all the time, E.G, the shop phoned me this afternoon to come and collect the item, in fact, what should be said is , the owner's of the shop phoned me this afternoon to come and collect the item, I do recognize the use of the English here however, but as I said it gets used all the time.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

How can you fine an inanimate object? How can an inanimate object pay a fine?
Graham4405
are you being obtuse or just stupid?

Do you not think someone might own the inanimate object?

It appears your brain is an inanimate object?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The Ruby Princess should be confiscated by the federal government and given the Pong Su treatment.

Bring drugs or disease to these shores on a boat, prepare to get fuuucked.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
How can you fine an inanimate object? How can an inanimate object pay a fine?
...

Do you not think someone might own the inanimate object?

...
theanimal
Of course someone owns it. The owner is fined not the object, that is my point. I just can't abide people who are too lazy (or perhaps too stupid) to word their sentences correctly. "You know what I meant" they say. Why the hell can't people say or write what they mean?
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
The ship has been issued a $22 million fine for clean up costs.
How can you fine an inanimate object? How can an inanimate object pay a fine?
This is just loose speech, it happens all the time, E.G, the shop phoned me this afternoon to come and collect the item, in fact, what should be said is , the owner's of the shop phoned me this afternoon to come and collect the item, I do recognize the use of the English here however, but as I said it gets used all the time.
lsrailfan
I might say "I had a call from the shop" which would be more accurate, as the person had called me from the shop. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't say "the shop phoned me" as this would be an incorrect and stupid statement! Lazy English may get used a lot, but that doesn't excuse it. If you get pulled up for speeding and fined, the defence that "people do it all the time" whilst true, won't get you off.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The ship has been issued a $22 million fine for clean up costs.
How can you fine an inanimate object? How can an inanimate object pay a fine?
Graham4405
A ship can be arrested by 'nailing' the warrant to the mast.
  rxclass Junior Train Controller

Location: On the manual turntable at Marino turning an exquisite Rx class steam locomotive.
That is positively criminal. BCG Vaccine for the prevention of tuberculosis has been available for 65 years. I had my shot at high school in the mid 1950's. Prior to that time TB was a serious problem, and there were roving X-Ray units where adults had to turn up for compulsory checks for TB. There were specialised sanatoriums (sanatoria?) for its treatment. The disease should not even exist in this day and age.
Valvegear
G'day all,

Not only adults. Anyone 7 years of age and older had 2 compulsory xrays in a 3 year period. If, even a suspected shadow showed up, you were called back for more at a later date and tested.

The vaccine may be available for 65 years but not all countries have a generous health care system as Australia. In many 3rd and 4th world countries the cost (approx. $10.00) is far to expensive.

The World Health Organisation pays for immunisations in a lot of these countries.

Regards,
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The ship has been issued a $22 million fine for clean up costs.
How can you fine an inanimate object? How can an inanimate object pay a fine?
Graham4405
An in rem action is a thing...

Do you think companies/corporations/governments all of which can be fined and/or sued are animate? They’re not, they’re all inanimate and quite capable of both being fined and paying fines.

Ever got a parking fine? In almost all cases, especially for private car parks, they’ll be issued against the car, not the owner. Invariably the ‘fine’ which incidentally isn’t even really a fine, but instead a request for payment for damages relating to a broken contract, is written by a person who does not even know, or care who the owner is. Try not paying that ‘fine’ because your car is inanimate - then you’ll see why fining the ship works.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
How can you fine an inanimate object? How can an inanimate object pay a fine?
...

Do you not think someone might own the inanimate object?

...
Of course someone owns it. The owner is fined not the object, that is my point. I just can't abide people who are too lazy (or perhaps too stupid) to word their sentences correctly. "You know what I meant" they say. Why the hell can't people say or write what they mean?
Graham4405
They did write what they meant, that both of you misunderstood the meaning is not the fault of the meaning.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

How can you fine an inanimate object? How can an inanimate object pay a fine?.
Graham4405
A list of inanimate objects that have been arrested in Australia

https://www.fedcourt.gov.au/law-and-practice/national-practice-areas/admiralty/ship-arrests


and a comment on the legislation that permits the arrest  of your inanimate object.




So yes,. you can arrest an inanimate object
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

The ship has been issued a $22 million fine for clean up costs.
How can you fine an inanimate object? How can an inanimate object pay a fine?
A ship can be arrested by 'nailing' the warrant to the mast.
YM-Mundrabilla
Bit hard nailing the warrant to a steel ship. Serving it on the master or the owners is adequate these days or if neither can be found it can deemed to have been served by the Court. What a great little gig is the Admiralty Division of the NSW Supreme Court.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Not only adults. Anyone 7 years of age and older had 2 compulsory xrays in a 3 year period. If, even a suspected shadow showed up, you were called back for more at a later date and tested.
rxclass
I don't know what State you live in, but I can tell you with certainty that in Victoria the X ray was not done on anyone under 16. My younger sister and I both queried why we didn't have to have the X ray as young kids, and 16 was the answer. The machine that was used  would not have accommodated anyone as short as a seven-year-old.

The vaccine may be available for 65 years but not all countries have a generous health care system as Australia. In many 3rd and 4th world countries the cost (approx. $10.00) is far to expensive. The World Health Organisation pays for immunisations in a lot of these countries.
rxclass
We have managed to eliminate smallpox et al; it could be done with TB if assorted pollies et al would get their priorities right.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The R word now emerging

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