Flags and National Anthem

 
  WimbledonW Train Controller

Location: Sydney
ABC displayed some one else's design for a new National "Reconcilliation" Flag which looks like this.



It looks a bit like the NT and ACT flags, as if the three territories belonged to the same country.

ABC also plays the "We are one" song every few minutes as if this has been chosen as the new National Anthem.

Flag visible while being edited, OR IF YOU PRESS THE "REPLY" BUTTON.
Flag is a black rectangle when displayed in POST.

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  WimbledonW Train Controller

Location: Sydney
ABC displayed some one else's design for a new National "Reconcilliation" Flag which looks like this.




Flag visible while being edited.
Flag is a black rectangle when displayed in thread.
WimbledonW
Does anyone else  have this problem?
  WimbledonW Train Controller

Location: Sydney
ABC displayed some one else's design for a new National "Reconcilliation" Flag which looks like this.




Flag visible while being edited.
Flag is a black rectangle when displayed in thread.
Does anyone else  have this problem?
WimbledonW
Flag replaces black rectangle while replying.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
ABC displayed some one else's design for a new National "Reconcilliation" Flag which looks like this.

It looks a bit like the NT and ACT flags, as if the three territories belonged to the same country.
WimbledonW


The NT flag is thus:


and the ACT flag is thus:


So I'm unsure how what you posted (which I can't find on the ABC website?) is like a combination of both of these?

Also, this thread belongs in The Lounge.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Does anyone else  have this problem?
WimbledonW
You have not posted a valid URL to the image.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

You need to specify a URL to an images, not include a base64 encoded string of data.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
You need to specify a URL to an images, not include a base64 encoded string of data.
duttonbay
The base 64 string is a Railpage encryption of the URL of the image.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
You need to specify a URL to an images, not include a base64 encoded string of data.
The base 64 string is a Railpage encryption of the URL of the image.
s3_gunzel
Really? So why do the images I posted to the URL to show but @WimbledonW's doesn't. Also if I reply to my post I will see the URL not a base 64 string...
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
You need to specify a URL to an images, not include a base64 encoded string of data.
The base 64 string is a Railpage encryption of the URL of the image.
Really? So why do the images I posted to the URL to show but @WimbledonW's doesn't. Also if I reply to my post I will see the URL not a base 64 string...
Graham4405
Good question: Don't have code access so I don't know.
  WimbledonW Train Controller

Location: Sydney
ABC displayed some one else's design for a new National "Reconcilliation" Flag which looks like this.




Flag visible while being edited.
Flag is a black rectangl

I think that the new flag just happened to be in the background. It possibly wasn't an actual segment of an AC news release, or whatever. Unlike the new National Anthem which is replayed every few minutes round the clock. One anchor said that it was a new National Anthem.
WimbledonW
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
To use an old expression, "I think this thread is a blue duck." I can't see much percentage in a jet black rectangular flag.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

The black flag is compelling.

Reminds me of Caesar Romero's Joker white blank canvas artwork in a Batman episode. Titled " death of a mauve bat".

It was a masterpiece of an episode.
  Radioman Chief Train Controller

Hello All,

re the current National Anthem "Advance Australia Fair" and Bruce Woodley's  "I am Australian" ( "We are One, we are many..."). Personally , I prefer "I am Australian"to  be our National Anthem, in lieu of the current "Advance Australia Fair"  and this has been raised in the Commonwealth Parliament on a number of occasions.

I think that "I am Australian" is a more inclusive and happy song than "Advance Australia Fair" which has unfortunately proven to be immemorable by a large number of Australians, its wording is contemporary of its time ( 1878 ), and whilst it is possible to potentially change its wording, its tenor is still of the 19th century. Having said that, I also agree that it was preferable to "Waltzing Matilda", which was the other popular choice in the 1977 referendum.

I also think there has been a shift in what people expect of a National Anthem. Once it needed to be glorious and patriotically uplifting , such as France's "La Maiseillaise" or Germany's "Deutches uber alles" ( which is pretty appalling even now ), whereas now I suspect that people would prefer something that is happy and uplifting without the "necessity" to be patriotic or bombastic.( And before anyone mentions "God Save the Queen / King" , that song is originally German, and was not intended to be a National Anthem, but rather the musical announcement of the arrival of the Monarch ! )

With reference to the ACT Territory flag, there has been some debate as to whether the current coat of arms emblem should be replaced with a stylised Royal Bluebell ( Wahlenbergia gloriosa ), which is the ACT's floral emblem and which would be a lot easier to reproduce, and be more distinctly visible from a distance.

The Northern Territory flag emblem is a stylised Sturt's Desert Rose ( Gossypiam sturtianum ), which is the NT's floral emblem.

One Advance Australia National Reconciliation Ensign ( which is a subsidiary flag to a national flag )  proposal that I have seen has a dark red top left hand corner, with the rest of the flag being black with a gold Southern Cross superimposed, the black  dividing line between the dark red and the black is a stylised kangaroo profile ( http://www.newaustralianflag.squarespace.com ), designed by Russell Kennedy, and illustrated by Nigel Buchanan.

The essence of a good flag design should be a distinct, and instantly recognisable design, that is simple, uncluttered, not to be mistaken for something else, and recognisable from a distance. The famous Canadian Maple Leaf flag of 1965 achieves all of this, which makes it rather difficult to match in its elegant simplicity.

Ausflag has been running annual new flag design competitions for decades now, and very few entries seem to meet the above essence of good design, at least in my opinion. This may partially explain the underwhelming interest in each years "winning" design.

The two most common design elements are the Southern Cross with the seven pointed Federation Star, or a kangaroo, in various poses and stylising, with or without either the Federation Star or the Southern Cross, and frequently submissions also try to squeeze in a boomerang as well !

The problem with the kangaroo being on a flag is that it's shape disappears when the flag is fluttering, which is less of a problem for the stars. White ( actually silver ) stars on a dark blue background is distinctive, but just having the stars on a blue background appears to be bland when compared to the current flag's use of red within the Union flag currently in the top left hand corner of the existing flag.

Another option has been the use of a red boomerang on a white background to seperate the Federation Star in the top left hand corner from the Southern Cross on the right hand side ( the fly of the flag ). So you can now see some of the practical visual problems flag designers have in creating a design which will be popular.

The other design problem has been to create a design where the alternate Ensign background colours ( Marchant Ensign Red, Navy White, RAAF Light Blue and Civil Aviation Pale Blue with a Dark Blue Cross ) can also be accommodated, and still look elegant !

Regards, Echidna.
  WimbledonW Train Controller

Location: Sydney
The black flag is compelling.

Reminds me of Caesar Romero's Joker white blank canvas artwork in a Batman episode. Titled " death of a mauve bat".

It was a masterpiece of an episode.
ANR
The Black Flag reveals the actual flag IF YOU PRESS THE "REPLY" BUTTON.
  WimbledonW Train Controller

Location: Sydney
The Northern Territory flag emblem is a stylised Sturt's Desert Rose ( Gossypiam sturtianum ), which is the NT's floral emblem.
Radioman
The NT flag has 7 petals, like the 7 points of the Federation Star.

If you look closely, the Southern Cross stars have 5, 6, 7, 7, 8 points respectively. One of the original National flag had stars with variable numbers of points, until IIRC about 1910 when the number of points was changed to 5, 7, 7, 7, 7 as it is today.
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
Hello All,

re the current National Anthem "Advance Australia Fair" and Bruce Woodley's  "I am Australian" ( "We are One, we are many..."). Personally , I prefer "I am Australian"to  be our National Anthem, in lieu of the current "Advance Australia Fair"  and this has been raised in the Commonwealth Parliament on a number of occasions.

I think that "I am Australian" is a more inclusive and happy song than "Advance Australia Fair" which has unfortunately proven to be immemorable by a large number of Australians, its wording is contemporary of its time ( 1878 ), and whilst it is possible to potentially change its wording, its tenor is still of the 19th century. Having said that, I also agree that it was preferable to "Waltzing Matilda", which was the other popular choice in the 1977 referendum.

I also think there has been a shift in what people expect of a National Anthem. Once it needed to be glorious and patriotically uplifting , such as France's "La Maiseillaise" or Germany's "Deutches uber alles" ( which is pretty appalling even now ), whereas now I suspect that people would prefer something that is happy and uplifting without the "necessity" to be patriotic or bombastic.( And before anyone mentions "God Save the Queen / King" , that song is originally German, and was not intended to be a National Anthem, but rather the musical announcement of the arrival of the Monarch ! )

With reference to the ACT Territory flag, there has been some debate as to whether the current coat of arms emblem should be replaced with a stylised Royal Bluebell ( Wahlenbergia gloriosa ), which is the ACT's floral emblem and which would be a lot easier to reproduce, and be more distinctly visible from a distance.

The Northern Territory flag emblem is a stylised Sturt's Desert Rose ( Gossypiam sturtianum ), which is the NT's floral emblem.

One Advance Australia National Reconciliation Ensign ( which is a subsidiary flag to a national flag )  proposal that I have seen has a dark red top left hand corner, with the rest of the flag being black with a gold Southern Cross superimposed, the black  dividing line between the dark red and the black is a stylised kangaroo profile ( http://www.newaustralianflag.squarespace.com ), designed by Russell Kennedy, and illustrated by Nigel Buchanan.

The essence of a good flag design should be a distinct, and instantly recognisable design, that is simple, uncluttered, not to be mistaken for something else, and recognisable from a distance. The famous Canadian Maple Leaf flag of 1965 achieves all of this, which makes it rather difficult to match in its elegant simplicity.

Ausflag has been running annual new flag design competitions for decades now, and very few entries seem to meet the above essence of good design, at least in my opinion. This may partially explain the underwhelming interest in each years "winning" design.

The two most common design elements are the Southern Cross with the seven pointed Federation Star, or a kangaroo, in various poses and stylising, with or without either the Federation Star or the Southern Cross, and frequently submissions also try to squeeze in a boomerang as well !

The problem with the kangaroo being on a flag is that it's shape disappears when the flag is fluttering, which is less of a problem for the stars. White ( actually silver ) stars on a dark blue background is distinctive, but just having the stars on a blue background appears to be bland when compared to the current flag's use of red within the Union flag currently in the top left hand corner of the existing flag.

Another option has been the use of a red boomerang on a white background to seperate the Federation Star in the top left hand corner from the Southern Cross on the right hand side ( the fly of the flag ). So you can now see some of the practical visual problems flag designers have in creating a design which will be popular.

The other design problem has been to create a design where the alternate Ensign background colours ( Marchant Ensign Red, Navy White, RAAF Light Blue and Civil Aviation Pale Blue with a Dark Blue Cross ) can also be accommodated, and still look elegant !

Regards, Echidna.
Radioman
Wow, there are flag rivet counters, too!
  NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Watching a black lives matter protest in London a single chap there was carrying the Aborginal Flag and was asked by a reporter what flag is that?  He responded with This is the aboriginal flag and not many people in this part of the world know what it is and what happened to them.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Wow, there are flag rivet counters, too!
apw5910
Yes Razz How else will we tell the difference between Cote d'ivoire and Irish flags, or how to hang it the correct way up.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnv5iKB2hl4
  justapassenger Minister for Railways



https://youtu.be/4xYERxQfG_U?t=164

(skip to 2:44 into the video)
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Wow, there are flag rivet counters, too!
apw5910

Of course, perhaps the most famous being Doctor Sheldon Cooper, who was both a railfan and a flagfan.

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