Rowville - proposed extension

 
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

When last I read about this project the feds had agreed to fund the heavy rail line to the suburb or Rowville.  Dictator Dan came back with a light rail option for the route which I thought at the time was a red herring to hold the project up as much as possible.  Since this time there have been no announcements and no commitments meaning the Andrews Govt is planning to try and bury the idea when the funding from the feds was made available.

is this another example of procrastination of the govt in Victoria because they simply do not want this work to go ahead?  Post COVID19 this would be a good project as heavy rail.

The ALP here in Victoria are not keen for heavy rail delivery having avoided it mostly for close to 22 years.  The feeling in Vic was for a tram line which is nonsensical in my opinion as Melbourne has one of the slowest light rail networks in the world.

Having said that you are right why has this gone all quite and could it be dusted off and what happened to the federal cash?
bevans
$475 Million is nowhere near enough. And incidentally most of the rail reservation has been built over.

Michael

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  Goose13 Station Master

Location: Having a sook about Southern cross's western wall
https://rodbarton.com.au/update-rowville-rail-options/

For what it is worth according to Mr Barton Rowville rail is being held off until the suburban rail loop planning around monash has completed.

Perhaps someone can correct me, but as far as I was aware the heavy rail option would either dig into Cranbourne/Pakenham paths, or have to be run as a shuttle service from Caulfeild given the metro tunnel option chosen.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

https://rodbarton.com.au/update-rowville-rail-options/

For what it is worth according to Mr Barton Rowville rail is being held off until the suburban rail loop planning around monash has completed.

Perhaps someone can correct me, but as far as I was aware the heavy rail option would either dig into Cranbourne/Pakenham paths, or have to be run as a shuttle service from Caulfeild given the metro tunnel option chosen.
Goose13

Correct.  "Monash Rail" is now essentially the SRL, that is how the university campus will be served.

After Waverley Park closed, Rowville fell a lot further down the list of priorities.  

And let's not pretend the Libs were any more likely to build it - I remember under Napthine the idea being laughed off with a comment of "Show me on the map where it's supposed to go?"  The route is technically still there (mostly), being the median of Wellington Rd, and would mostly be skyrail according to the plans drawn up a decade or two back.  However, it's been narrowed over the years.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

https://rodbarton.com.au/update-rowville-rail-options/

For what it is worth according to Mr Barton Rowville rail is being held off until the suburban rail loop planning around monash has completed.

Perhaps someone can correct me, but as far as I was aware the heavy rail option would either dig into Cranbourne/Pakenham paths, or have to be run as a shuttle service from Caulfeild given the metro tunnel option chosen.

Correct.  "Monash Rail" is now essentially the SRL, that is how the university campus will be served.

After Waverley Park closed, Rowville fell a lot further down the list of priorities.  

And let's not pretend the Libs were any more likely to build it - I remember under Napthine the idea being laughed off with a comment of "Show me on the map where it's supposed to go?"  The route is technically still there (mostly), being the median of Wellington Rd, and would mostly be skyrail according to the plans drawn up a decade or two back.  However, it's been narrowed over the years.
Adogs
Absolutely none. Remember the Melbourne Rail link which was supposed to provide and Airport link and rail to Fishermans Bend and all it achieved was to delay the Melbourne Metro.


Michael
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

https://rodbarton.com.au/update-rowville-rail-options/

For what it is worth according to Mr Barton Rowville rail is being held off until the suburban rail loop planning around monash has completed.

Perhaps someone can correct me, but as far as I was aware the heavy rail option would either dig into Cranbourne/Pakenham paths, or have to be run as a shuttle service from Caulfeild given the metro tunnel option chosen.
Goose13
Makes sense since the Rowville tram project was announced before the Suburban Rail Loop project. Also feds put funding towards Rowville rail, before they knew the state government decided to announce the SRL project.

Essentially the SRL project has completely changed the transport agenda in the south east. So instead of a heavy rail link to Rowville and Monash, now we are getting Metro rail link btw Cheltenham to Box hill via Monash, linking Monash to the nearby Glen waverly and Dandenong corridors and also a tram link from Caulfield - Monash - Rowville.

So in this new plan, to get to Rowville from the city once SRL and tram project operational, you can choose to travel to Glen-waverly/Clayton via heavy rail, then to Monash via SRL Metro and then final trip to tram to Rowville. Yes it means more interchanging, but also means Monash has more connections as a central hub. You can now access Monash from Rowville/Chadstone/Caufield/Boxhill/Glen Waverly/Clayton or Cheltenham.
  EmrldPhoenix Station Master

Location: Melbourne, VIC
So in this new plan, to get to Rowville from the city once SRL and tram project operational, you can choose to travel to Glen-waverly/Clayton via heavy rail, then to Monash via SRL Metro and then final trip to tram to Rowville. Yes it means more interchanging, but also means Monash has more connections as a central hub. You can now access Monash from Rowville/Chadstone/Caufield/Boxhill/Glen Waverly/Clayton or Cheltenham.
True Believers
The path from City to Rowville is actually simpler than this. Stage 1 of the Rowville tram connects Monash to Caulfield station which means that you don't even need to consider the SRL for travel.

Given this stretch of the tram line is supposed to be in the median of Princes Hwy, it is likely to see average speeds comparable to the outer reaches of the 75 and 86 trams. While signalling on this line could be detrimental to speed, separation from traffic is more important to ensure reliable speed.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

So in this new plan, to get to Rowville from the city once SRL and tram project operational, you can choose to travel to Glen-waverly/Clayton via heavy rail, then to Monash via SRL Metro and then final trip to tram to Rowville. Yes it means more interchanging, but also means Monash has more connections as a central hub. You can now access Monash from Rowville/Chadstone/Caufield/Boxhill/Glen Waverly/Clayton or Cheltenham.
The path from City to Rowville is actually simpler than this. Stage 1 of the Rowville tram connects Monash to Caulfield station which means that you don't even need to consider the SRL for travel.

Given this stretch of the tram line is supposed to be in the median of Princes Hwy, it is likely to see average speeds comparable to the outer reaches of the 75 and 86 trams. While signalling on this line could be detrimental to speed, separation from traffic is more important to ensure reliable speed.
EmrldPhoenix
You're right, under the new plan you have many options because of how connected the new network will be. Though I think it would be faster to catch via SRL than catch the tram the full length. It all depends on how many stops they add on the light rail. Considering riding the tram might be very uncomfortable to travel the full length, I think alternatively transferring to the SRL is far better option.
  TrackRailroad Train Controller

Location: Frankston Line
A light rail or heavy rail to Rowville as long as it has apacity to cater for passenger numbers and future growth and connects major centres, than this should be the criterion to make a decision on. Monash and Mulgrave is a major employer outside of the CBD, so a better public transport link is needed than what is provided currently.

I do think the line should be heavy rail and  go via Huntingdale and connect with the Alamein line via Chadstone, as has been previously mentioned would connect many major lines, better utilise the lowly patronised Alamein line and serve major trip generators, the City, Glenferrie, Camberwell, Chadstone, Oakleigh, Monash Uni Clayton and Mulgrave with one single line.

Though current state government intentions are for light rail Caulfield to Rowville via Monash which should perform a reasonable job coupled with suburban rail loop, assuming it goes via Dandenong Road with a Chadstone stop.
  TrackRailroad Train Controller

Location: Frankston Line
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  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
From various sources I've seen, a $3M business case is supposed to be underway this year and, apparently, some decisions are 'pending' while the Monash area SRL station location is finalized. That said it has been very quiet regarding this project.

Also the $M475 is for stage one, which is only to Monash or thereabouts. Stage two would take it out to, or towards, Rowville.


Neil
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
From various sources I've seen, a $3M business case is supposed to be underway this year and, apparently, some decisions are 'pending' while the Monash area SRL station location is finalized. That said it has been very quiet regarding this project.


Neil

ngarner
Once SRL was announced, I'm not surprised it's gone quiet.

The tram idea was all about Monash Uni and surrounds.
With the title of "Rowville" given as a sweetener for stage 2 - we all know what that likelyhood is.

Then SRL pops up, so lets check the options for travel between the Dandy corridor and Monash, that the tram idea specifically "planned".

Existing bus Huntingdale to Monash, 10 minutes
Tram Caulfield to Monash, 20 minutes ( but you can drop off to do some shopping)
SRL Clayton to Monash, 2 minutes ( yes TWO)

No prize for guessing which the customers would choose.

cheers
John
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

To be fair though, the light rail project can open sooner than the suburban rail loop so it's still will be useful, also could bring more dense housing in the area for sure. Though it would be nice to extend the existing route 75 to Knox, that's been on the agenda for awhile, with no commitments so far.
  Rossco T Chief Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
To be fair though, the light rail project can open sooner than the suburban rail loop so it's still will be useful, also could bring more dense housing in the area for sure. Though it would be nice to extend the existing route 75 to Knox, that's been on the agenda for awhile, with no commitments so far.
True Believers
Will also be useful to have the tram connection to Chadstone Shopping Centre.

Ross
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
To be fair though, the light rail project can open sooner than the suburban rail loop so it's still will be useful, also could bring more dense housing in the area for sure. Though it would be nice to extend the existing route 75 to Knox, that's been on the agenda for awhile, with no commitments so far.
Will also be useful to have the tram connection to Chadstone Shopping Centre.

Ross
Rossco T
Chadstone aren't the least bit interested in having a fixed rail link to their shopping centre - they've been actively opposed to it for years... Their thinking is that if you need public transport to get there then you're too poor for their posh shopping centre.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

I could not that a worse shopping centre than Chadstone, a bloody eyesore.
  John E Locomotive Fireman

To be fair though, the light rail project can open sooner than the suburban rail loop so it's still will be useful, also could bring more dense housing in the area for sure. Though it would be nice to extend the existing route 75 to Knox, that's been on the agenda for awhile, with no commitments so far.
Will also be useful to have the tram connection to Chadstone Shopping Centre.

Ross
Chadstone aren't the least bit interested in having a fixed rail link to their shopping centre - they've been actively opposed to it for years... Their thinking is that if you need public transport to get there then you're too poor for their posh shopping centre.
don_dunstan
Don - a few years ago I would have agreed with you, but now I think Chadstone management would welcome it now (as long as they don't have to pay much for it) - just look at Southland as a comparison. The capacity of the car park has reach saturation point, especially on weekends and at busy times such as Christmas. It takes a long time to get in and sometimes close to an hour to get out. This is definitely a deterrent to more people going and the flow on effect to surrounding streets and roads is terrible.
  EmrldPhoenix Station Master

Location: Melbourne, VIC
Chadstone aren't the least bit interested in having a fixed rail link to their shopping centre - they've been actively opposed to it for years... Their thinking is that if you need public transport to get there then you're too poor for their posh shopping centre.
Don - a few years ago I would have agreed with you, but now I think Chadstone management would welcome it now (as long as they don't have to pay much for it) - just look at Southland as a comparison. The capacity of the car park has reach saturation point, especially on weekends and at busy times such as Christmas. It takes a long time to get in and sometimes close to an hour to get out. This is definitely a deterrent to more people going and the flow on effect to surrounding streets and roads is terrible.
John E

Chadstone, prior to the COVID pandemic, were trialing a shuttle bus from Oakleigh station to Chadstone. This trial bus was actually being paid out of the pocket of Chadstone, instead of being funded by the government or PTV. Granted it was only being trialed between October and February, as well as being a weekend only service.

The idea is that a direct bus in the future will be paid for by PTV, but they were willing to take a short term loss for long term gains.

I haven't been able to find any details of the trial results, but that is likely going to stay between Chadstone and PTV.
  AheadMatthewawsome Junior Train Controller

Location: Opening Train Lines
Okay then, everyone is forgetting about this post being inactive for almost 16 years until a few days ago? Everyone got mad at me when I posted in a 10 year old thread, and they moved it all into a new thread. Why is it not happening now? Is there a special exemption? Please don't get crabby about it, but it is better that all rule breaking are treated equally.
  HardSleeper Junior Train Controller

Location: Route 48
As TISM said: I sentence you to fourteen years in Rowville
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
As TISM said: I sentence you to fourteen years in Rowville
HardSleeper
You might want to double-check that link...
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
I could not that a worse shopping centre than Chadstone, a bloody eyesore.
trainbrain
Eastland would give it a run for its money, they didn't even give it a proper front entrance when it was rebuilt! The main "entrance" to Eastland comprises of an escalator and doesn't have disabled/wheeled access (be it a wheelchair, mobility scooter or even a shopping trolley/hand cart), you have to travel half way around the shopping centre (be it the row of empty shops behind the escalators or through the carparks) in order to find a way in. Eastland doesn't even have a proper bus stop for the one and only bus that officially terminates there (742), despite the useless twice-a-day McKenzies bus stop on Warrandyte Rd having a shelter. And then there's the joke of a food court, even Chadstone has a better selection (the food court comprises of what could well be Victoria's worst KFC, a Subway, one or two wannabe "gourmet" shops (obviously there are no hipsters or yuppies in bogan central Ringwood so I really don't get the point) and a bunch of Asian takeaway shops. Knox is the only one worth visiting in the east.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

I could not that a worse shopping centre than Chadstone, a bloody eyesore.
Eastland would give it a run for its money, they didn't even give it a proper front entrance when it was rebuilt! The main "entrance" to Eastland comprises of an escalator and doesn't have disabled/wheeled access (be it a wheelchair, mobility scooter or even a shopping trolley/hand cart), you have to travel half way around the shopping centre (be it the row of empty shops behind the escalators or through the carparks) in order to find a way in. Eastland doesn't even have a proper bus stop for the one and only bus that officially terminates there (742), despite the useless twice-a-day McKenzies bus stop on Warrandyte Rd having a shelter. And then there's the joke of a food court, even Chadstone has a better selection (the food court comprises of what could well be Victoria's worst KFC, a Subway, one or two wannabe "gourmet" shops (obviously there are no hipsters or yuppies in bogan central Ringwood so I really don't get the point) and a bunch of Asian takeaway shops. Knox is the only one worth visiting in the east.
Heihachi_73
I hate Eastland, I cannot stand these shopping monoliths, they are all an eyesore............................
  Upven Locomotive Driver

I could not that a worse shopping centre than Chadstone, a bloody eyesore.
Eastland would give it a run for its money, they didn't even give it a proper front entrance when it was rebuilt! The main "entrance" to Eastland comprises of an escalator and doesn't have disabled/wheeled access (be it a wheelchair, mobility scooter or even a shopping trolley/hand cart), you have to travel half way around the shopping centre (be it the row of empty shops behind the escalators or through the carparks) in order to find a way in. Eastland doesn't even have a proper bus stop for the one and only bus that officially terminates there (742), despite the useless twice-a-day McKenzies bus stop on Warrandyte Rd having a shelter. And then there's the joke of a food court, even Chadstone has a better selection (the food court comprises of what could well be Victoria's worst KFC, a Subway, one or two wannabe "gourmet" shops (obviously there are no hipsters or yuppies in bogan central Ringwood so I really don't get the point) and a bunch of Asian takeaway shops. Knox is the only one worth visiting in the east.
Heihachi_73
Lots of proper dining in Town Square and even the cinema area is good now. Not sure how it's relevant to Rowville line extension? Anyway: Chadstone would probably like a train station, imagine how many internationals it would bring in $$$, and they could abandon their Chadstone coach from behind Federation Square.
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
Lots of proper dining in Town Square and even the cinema area is good now. Not sure how it's relevant to Rowville line extension? Anyway: Chadstone would probably like a train station, imagine how many internationals it would bring in $$$, and they could abandon their Chadstone coach from behind Federation Square.
"Upven"


Back on track now??
Reality check, Chadstone is only 1km from the Dandy line.
There are direct buses from Carnegie, Murrumbeena, Hughesdale, Oakleigh stations: all with a trip time to Chaddy under 10 minutes. Even the direct bus from Caulfield is just 13.
So why spend $squillions if this is the prime consideration?

cheers
John
  stooge spark Chief Train Controller

Location: My House
Lots of proper dining in Town Square and even the cinema area is good now. Not sure how it's relevant to Rowville line extension? Anyway: Chadstone would probably like a train station, imagine how many internationals it would bring in $$$, and they could abandon their Chadstone coach from behind Federation Square.


Back on track now??
Reality check, Chadstone is only 1km from the Dandy line.
There are direct buses from Carnegie, Murrumbeena, Hughesdale, Oakleigh stations: all with a trip time to Chaddy under 10 minutes. Even the direct bus from Caulfield is just 13.
So why spend $squillions if this is the prime consideration?

cheers
John
justarider
Chadstone having a station would probably get more people in by public transport. There are a lot of lazy people in this country, people who don't care that Chaddy is 1km from the train line. To them walking is still walking.
And all those do have a short trip time but you seem to forget that you have to wait for a bus as well. Suddenly, getting there in under 10 minutes isn't that impressive if you consider the 20 minute wait!

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