Benalla freight

 
  Contrillion Junior Train Controller

Location: Geelong, Victoria
There have been trains in there but none running a regular revenue service as far as I am aware.

There has been at least one loaded test train, the folly of which has been documented on RP a year or two ago.

The siding was only connected to the main line in September last year and I don't recall seeing anything concrete (Wink) on Railpage about a test train running. Do you recall where you saw it? All I've heard is rumours about it running but no one knows much else. I asked some Qube drivers about it recently but they didn't know when it ran or who drove it.
Fatty
My memory seemed to recall that it was founded information, but looking back in this thread (page 6) there are a few posts regarding the rumours from September last year, which must have been what I was remembering.

I used to live in the area so have heard a few third-hand anecdotes from factory workers who take the above rumours as gospel as well.

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  Carnot Minister for Railways

All concrete segments to go by road.  Another epic rail fail:
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Do they intend moving the assembled components via road rather than moving the components as a component and assemble on site at the tunnel?

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/west-gate-tunnel-concrete-blocks-to-be-trucked-through-regional-victoria

The article which I have posted does not preclude the delivery of the remaining concrete by rail if I read it correctly?
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Do they intend moving the assembled components via road rather than moving the components as a component and assemble on site at the tunnel?

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/west-gate-tunnel-concrete-blocks-to-be-trucked-through-regional-victoria

The article which I have posted does not preclude the delivery of the remaining concrete by rail if I read it correctly?
bevans
Just seems to be a change in plan for the bridge construction.

Previously bridge beams were made at Kilmore, and the tunnel segments are happening at Benalla.
Now they are both at Benalla.

50m long beams never gunna fit on a train.
Road is difficult enough, but at least there are multiple detours to make it work. LXRA have been doing that for years.

Trains for the tunnel bits is still on. That is still the big number of transfers.

cheers
John
  Inland_Sailor Junior Train Controller

From the article:

"It is understood pieces of the bridges are too big for the railway tracks and authorities have had to scramble to find a solution."
"Residents have been told to expect trucks that are 52m long, 5m high and 4.5m wide."

So where or what would prevent these pieces, given the dimension quoted, being railed to Melbourne. Bunbury St tunnel?
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
From the article:

"It is understood pieces of the bridges are too big for the railway tracks and authorities have had to scramble to find a solution."
"Residents have been told to expect trucks that are 52m long, 5m high and 4.5m wide."

So where or what would prevent these pieces, given the dimension quoted, being railed to Melbourne. Bunbury St tunnel?
Inland_Sailor

Rail wagons I thought were around 60 feet in length?

if true then it is possible to carry the loading on a rail wagon what is the problem?
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
From the article:

"It is understood pieces of the bridges are too big for the railway tracks and authorities have had to scramble to find a solution."
"Residents have been told to expect trucks that are 52m long, 5m high and 4.5m wide."

So where or what would prevent these pieces, given the dimension quoted, being railed to Melbourne. Bunbury St tunnel?
Inland_Sailor
5m high. Until Inland Rail raises all the bridges for double stack, gunna wack a few with that high a load. Jacana for certain.

4.5m wide. Gunna wack a few signal stanchions and the Broadmeadows platform.

50m length also problematic. Does such a thing as independant swivel train exist, like road monsters do?

cheers
John
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
From the article:

"It is understood pieces of the bridges are too big for the railway tracks and authorities have had to scramble to find a solution."
"Residents have been told to expect trucks that are 52m long, 5m high and 4.5m wide."

So where or what would prevent these pieces, given the dimension quoted, being railed to Melbourne. Bunbury St tunnel?

Rail wagons I thought were around 60 feet in length?

if true then it is possible to carry the loading on a rail wagon what is the problem?
NSWGR8022
60 Feet vs 50 Metres. The schooling system is the problem.
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
From the article:

"It is understood pieces of the bridges are too big for the railway tracks and authorities have had to scramble to find a solution."
"Residents have been told to expect trucks that are 52m long, 5m high and 4.5m wide."

So where or what would prevent these pieces, given the dimension quoted, being railed to Melbourne. Bunbury St tunnel?
5m high. Until Inland Rail raises all the bridges for double stack, gunna wack a few with that high a load. Jacana for certain.

4.5m wide. Gunna wack a few signal stanchions and the Broadmeadows platform.

50m length also problematic. Does such a thing as independant swivel train exist, like road monsters do?

cheers
John
justarider

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schnabel_car
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

As mentioned above, this doesn’t appear to apply to the tunnel lining but to the beams for the bridge over the Maribyrnong River and SkyRoad above Footscray Road.

Here’s a photo from Wongm’s Rail Gallery website of lining panels for the Metro Tunnel being delivered:
https://railgallery.wongm.com/metro-tunnel-arden/F137_1448.jpg.html

You’ll see similar sized panels on the Whitehall Street worksite at the eastern portal of the Westgate tunnel section. The tunnel section (if not all) being in limbo at the moment.

A great deal of confusion could have been avoided if David Davis was across his shadow portfolio a bit more.


PS: For rumours about the lining panels, see earlier sections of this thread.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
50m long beams to be trucked sounds similar to what has been done at many sites around the country for countless wind turbine farms. The towers for those wind turbines would easily be about 50m in length when on the back of a truck.

The main concerns seems to be the height (too high to fit within the current loading gauge for rail) and weight (resulting in the maximum road speed of 25km/h for the OD trucks involved).

If the tunnel wall lining panels are still being sent by rail then that is still a win in my eyes.


That of course is all assuming that the builders have found somewhere to dispose of their PFAS laden soil and the tunnel can then be dug in the first place.


As for David Davis, his ignorance of is own portfolio is one thing, the lack of a strong enough media to call him out on such a shortage of intellect is even more dissapointing.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
As for David Davis, his ignorance of is own portfolio is one thing, the lack of a strong enough media to call him out on such a shortage of intellect is even more dissapointing.
Gman_86
I wouldnt expect the media to call him out. After all, Mr Davis was jusr re-tweeting some usual HUN tripe.
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
@Michelle12 in the bunbury street sightings reports regularly of a Benalla cement train between there and Melbourne maybe the sidings are now being used?

The train appears several times per week.

A picture has been on the front page for a day or two https://www.railpage.com.au/photos/117373
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
@Michelle12 in the bunbury street sightings reports regularly of a Benalla cement train between there and Melbourne maybe the sidings are now being used?

The train appears several times per week.

A picture has been on the front page for a day or two https://www.railpage.com.au/photos/117373
NSWGR8022
The cement train uses Benalla yard, not the new siding.

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