High Capacity Metro Trains (HCMT) Order

 
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
Thanks Op Kronos for the confirmation of which set it was. Vicsig now has photos of set 4 being transferred the other way, apparently to Newport, on the 7th

Neil

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  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Thanks Op Kronos for the confirmation of which set it was. Vicsig now has photos of set 4 being transferred the other way, apparently to Newport, on the 7th

Neil
ngarner
Is that because it broke down?
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
if it broke down, I imagine East Pakenham depot would be able to repair it; I'm inclined to think for more testing on either the Werribee or, maybe, on the Belgrave line as unit 2 did a few months back

Neil
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
Another set being assembled for transfer plus at least 9 carriages in various states of assemble at Newport 'early' June - not my video



https://youtu.be/v_K0k0jieUs

Neil
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
if it broke down, I imagine East Pakenham depot would be able to repair it; I'm inclined to think for more testing on either the Werribee or, maybe, on the Belgrave line as unit 2 did a few months back

Neil
ngarner
I think so since Vicsig also has photos of set 2 heading the other way.
  Op Kronos Locomotive Fireman

Set 16 plus two other sets that appear to be unnumbered seen at Newport undergoing assembly (set 16 is the one that appears last at a fair distance from the other two which are located partially side by side from each other) in a video (yes I know it is vertical) uploaded yesterday - not my own

Note: I verified that it was set 16 and that other two were not numbered by turning up quality setting of video



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdHqkvzxGn4
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
And unit #12 is out and about testing on the Pakenham line. This presumably means that most, if not all, of its predecessors are also at stage 3 testing (not lockdown)



https://youtu.be/BqJYybGZoDg

This is one of two in sequence clips - not mine

E010 is also being tested on the Pakenham line based on videos on the Melbourne Trains Reddit site

Neil
  Op Kronos Locomotive Fireman

Interesting the video shared by Neil above shows set 12 at Pakenham during the day, this looks to be the first (known) time a HCMT set has appeared on the mainline doing testing under its own power during the day.

In addition, the Melbourne Trains Reddit has post with a photo of set 3 at Cranbourne station. It looks like that there will also be testing being done on the Cranbourne line until at least next Monday with the Cranbourne closed between Dandenong and Cranbourne from Tuesday 7th July 20:40 until last train Sunday 12th July according to Metro's website.

Other information: Set 4 which was sent to Newport on the 7th of June was apparently returned to Pakenham East sometime before the 18th of June with set 2 sent back to Newport from Pakenham East on the 18th of June and is presumably still doing more testing along the Werribee Line. (Information from:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGJKZimKHUQ)

Also, at least ONE (more may also have been assembled and sent down) other set has been assembled and sent down to Pakenham East - see:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIUOCocvDg0 - not my video, also note set 3 doing testing with what I think is an emergency brake test Now, I am not sure how many sets are complete but per my previous posts at least 16 are.

Also something to note is that the state government's HCMT page (https://transport.vic.gov.au/our-transport-future/our-projects/high-capacity-metro-trains) has been updated with "
HCMT testing program begins alongside passenger services" being added to the timeline with a Date/projected date of June 2020 and "HCMTs operational on the Cranbourne and Pakenham lines" having its date/projected date as simply "Following completion of comprehensive testing program".
  route14 Chief Commissioner

The entire Cranbourne branch is closed for 6 days for testing?
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
Also, at least ONE (more may also have been assembled and sent down) other set has been assembled and sent down to Pakenham East, also note set 3 doing testing with what I think is an emergency brake test Now, I am not sure how many sets are complete but per my previous posts at least 16 are.

Op Kronos
Set #16 was transferred by paired T class, so this one with P & T up front is probably #17 as it and #18 were well on the way to completion when #16 was moved to East Pakenham

Neil
  Op Kronos Locomotive Fireman

The entire Cranbourne branch is closed for 6 days for testing?
route14
Apparently since Metro's Planned Works section says "
From 8.40pm Tuesday to last train Sunday", if it was only during the night it would say something on the lines of: "8.40pm to last train each night Tuesday 7 July - Sunday 12 July 2020"
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Looks like a lengthy shutdown of revenue services for testing.
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
The project has been quite demanding on the reduction of services for everyday travel being line availability sadly the overhead was removed to Gippsland providing longer stretches of track to use for testing.

I believe the removal of overhead to Gippsland was a mistake.
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

The entire Cranbourne branch is closed for 6 days for testing?
Apparently since Metro's Planned Works section says "
From 8.40pm Tuesday to last train Sunday", if it was only during the night it would say something on the lines of: "8.40pm to last train each night Tuesday 7 July - Sunday 12 July 2020"

Op Kronos
This has nothing to do with the HCMT roll out. This shut down is for service and asset protection and relocation for upcoming major works on the Cranbourne Line. Works are occurring at Greens & Evans Roads, OLE installation and other power and signalling works all in preparation for the additional track to start being laid later this year. This will be the first of many long term shut downs to complete the Cranbourne Line Upgrade over the next 12 months.

Once the first HCMT has been accredited, hopefully this year, testing will be able to progress much faster as each subsequent unit only requires 2500km of fault free running. The first unit requires 10,000km of testing and 5,000km fault free. With a couple of the units now at stage four (wider network testing, alongside revenue services) we should have half a dozen in service once they are rubber stamped by the regulator. Then at least one a month until the program is complete.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

The entire Cranbourne branch is closed for 6 days for testing?
Apparently since Metro's Planned Works section says "
From 8.40pm Tuesday to last train Sunday", if it was only during the night it would say something on the lines of: "8.40pm to last train each night Tuesday 7 July - Sunday 12 July 2020"

This has nothing to do with the HCMT roll out. This shut down is for service and asset protection and relocation for upcoming major works on the Cranbourne Line. Works are occurring at Greens & Evans Roads, OLE installation and other power and signalling works all in preparation for the additional track to start being laid later this year. This will be the first of many long term shut downs to complete the Cranbourne Line Upgrade over the next 12 months.

Once the first HCMT has been accredited, hopefully this year, testing will be able to progress much faster as each subsequent unit only requires 2500km of fault free running. The first unit requires 10,000km of testing and 5,000km fault free. With a couple of the units now at stage four (wider network testing, alongside revenue services) we should have half a dozen in service once they are rubber stamped by the regulator. Then at least one a month until the program is complete.
Lockie91
What does "service and asset protection" actually mean, in real, normal English, in relation to the work being done over a week or so?
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Threat of vandals?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
'What does "service and asset protection" actually mean, in real, normal English, in relation to the work being done over a week or so? '
Sorry, I don't know as I am from the hot oil and steam era and only speak English.

By the way who is OLE mentioned elsewhere in this thread.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

'What does "service and asset protection" actually mean, in real, normal English, in relation to the work being done over a week or so? '
Sorry, I don't know as I am from the hot oil and steam era and only speak English.

By the way who is OLE mentioned elsewhere in this thread.
YM-Mundrabilla
YM, I believe OLE is the acronym for "Overhead Line Equipment", not usually found at Mundrabilla.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Thanks Lockspike.
That explains why I was unfamiliar with the term. We didn't have overhead (or third rail for that matter Rolling Eyes) at Mundrabilla but we did have train line power. Smile
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

The entire Cranbourne branch is closed for 6 days for testing?
Apparently since Metro's Planned Works section says "
From 8.40pm Tuesday to last train Sunday", if it was only during the night it would say something on the lines of: "8.40pm to last train each night Tuesday 7 July - Sunday 12 July 2020"

This has nothing to do with the HCMT roll out. This shut down is for service and asset protection and relocation for upcoming major works on the Cranbourne Line. Works are occurring at Greens & Evans Roads, OLE installation and other power and signalling works all in preparation for the additional track to start being laid later this year. This will be the first of many long term shut downs to complete the Cranbourne Line Upgrade over the next 12 months.

Once the first HCMT has been accredited, hopefully this year, testing will be able to progress much faster as each subsequent unit only requires 2500km of fault free running. The first unit requires 10,000km of testing and 5,000km fault free. With a couple of the units now at stage four (wider network testing, alongside revenue services) we should have half a dozen in service once they are rubber stamped by the regulator. Then at least one a month until the program is complete.
What does "service and asset protection" actually mean, in real, normal English, in relation to the work being done over a week or so?
duttonbay
OLE - Overhead Line Equipment. More broadly it covers everything from the concrete foundation to the contact wire. They could be installing foundations or using high rail equipment to install the new stanchions.

High Rail - anything that doesn't normally belong on rails that has had a set of wheels fitted to it. Anything from Utes to excavators and cranes.

Asset Protection & Relocation - Within any active rail corridor there are a collection of active services required to run that railway. This can be power cables linking substations, communications cables linking signals or fibre optic cables linking the corridor into signalling control centres. All of these 'assets' need to be 'Protected" to allow the railway to operate during construction. This means using NND (Non Destructive Digging) to find the location of the service and note it on the plans or relocate it out of the way while construction takes place.
Generally all of these services are moved to temporary cable routes during construction and then moved into their final place as part of the new build.
'Services' refer to non railway assets, gas, water, power, commutations. Many services follow main roads, so when a LX is removed they need to go in first to reroute a gas main or power route before construction can take place.

Lockie
  WimbledonW Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney
Sydney trains are 10' 6" wide, which allows for 3+2 seating.

Country trains, IIRC, are 9' 6" wide, which only allows for 2+2 seating.

The standard for new Hispeed trains, starting  with the Japanese Bullet trains are 11' 2" (3400mm) wide, followed by China, Korea, Ethiopia and Kenya, and possibly others.

What is the width of Victorian trains?
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Comeng and Xtrapolis are 3.05 metres wide.  Siemens are slightly narrower.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Comeng and Xtrapolis are 3.05 metres wide.  Siemens are slightly narrower.
route14
Just for comparison 3.05 metres equals 10 feet 1 inch.
  Op Kronos Locomotive Fireman

The entire Cranbourne branch is closed for 6 days for testing?
Apparently since Metro's Planned Works section says "
From 8.40pm Tuesday to last train Sunday", if it was only during the night it would say something on the lines of: "8.40pm to last train each night Tuesday 7 July - Sunday 12 July 2020"
This has nothing to do with the HCMT roll out. This shut down is for service and asset protection and relocation for upcoming major works on the Cranbourne Line. Works are occurring at Greens & Evans Roads, OLE installation and other power and signalling works all in preparation for the additional track to start being laid later this year. This will be the first of many long term shut downs to complete the Cranbourne Line Upgrade over the next 12 months.

Once the first HCMT has been accredited, hopefully this year, testing will be able to progress much faster as each subsequent unit only requires 2500km of fault free running. The first unit requires 10,000km of testing and 5,000km fault free. With a couple of the units now at stage four (wider network testing, alongside revenue services) we should have half a dozen in service once they are rubber stamped by the regulator. Then at least one a month until the program is complete.
Lockie91
Okay I guess I was wrong, thank you for telling me that.
It was just because Metro used the "Project Works" line that I defaulted to HCMT testing as one was doing testing on the Cranbourne Line earlier this week that they would continue to be doing more testing.
I did not see any information about Cranbourne Line Upgrade Works on Metro's website when I posted it only said "Project Works.
Once again thank you for pointing out my error @Lockie91.
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
Sydney trains are 10' 6" wide, which allows for 3+2 seating.

Country trains, IIRC, are 9' 6" wide, which only allows for 2+2 seating.
WimbledonW
If you look at the original seating configurations of Comeng's, Hitachi's & X'traps I reckon you'll find they all had 3 + 2 seating originally in the centre of the cars. Seating has been reduced, relatively recently, to increase standing room to allow more people on under crush load conditions.

Neil

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