TL153 moving to Queensland

 
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Reports across social media yesterday afternoon that former Hong Kong and CFLCA TL153 is currently being trucked to Dalby.

TL153 is a Clyde/EMD G12B, and as an EMD export model is very similar to the first narrow gauge G12 model operated in Queensland, the 1400 class, the latter using A1A-A1A bogies in service (although they were tested and delivered from Clyde on standard gauge Bo-Bo bogies). The longer and heavier G12C Co-Co model also operated in Queensland as the 1450 and 1460 classes.

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  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Do you know who will be operating the locomotive?
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Do you know who will be operating the locomotive?
NSWGR8022
Apparently to be stuffed and mounted by a private owner.

Edit: I'm Not joking, its reportedly going to Dalby Machinery Center for that purpose, if not Ask them yourself. Why buy a SG loco In an NG only town?
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
its reportedly going to Dalby Machinery Center
Dangersdan707

It has me beat what DMC want with this thing. I live 4 mins drive from there, will keep an eye out and get a photo if possible.
  lkernan Chief Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
I wonder if it's destined to be a diesel generator of sorts, like those T classes that went to Geelong years ago.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
its reportedly going to Dalby Machinery Center

It has me beat what DMC want with this thing. I live 4 mins drive from there, will keep an eye out and get a photo if possible.
Graham4405
I think you can rule the Generator Idea out, as it's still on bogies. Please do post some photos if it ends up there!
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
is it going to be used as a loco for the mainline presumably it will need NG bogies if it is to be used in QLD?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

is it going to be used as a loco for the mainline presumably it will need NG bogies if it is to be used in QLD?
NSWGR8022

At this stage there's no indication it will be used - the Dalby Machinery Centre is saying TL153 will be placed on public display. The owner of DMC, Doug Machin told the Western Star News the purchase, transport and crane hire will cost him $5.2-million, which seems a very large amount for a static exhibit.

DMC does specialise in the on-selling of secondhand machinery, and if there is, or will be, a plan to use this locomotive on the QR, Aurizon or Adani networks, then A1A-A1A bogies might be potentially sourced from either the remains of the near identical 1407 (I'm not sure if these bogies actually still exist) or possibly from Kiwirail's retiring DC class. 1Rail's narrow gauge CK and 1300 class Bo-Bo bogies might also be an option - if they're for sale. With A1A-A1A bogies TL153 will have an axle load of 12-tonnes, or with Bo-Bo bogies, an axle load of 18-tonnes - the latter would preclude use on the 15.75-tonne axle load lines west of Brisbane.

However public statements made by DMC emphasize the locomotive is not planned for further use on rail.
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
TL153 is a Bo-Bo loco to fit A1A bogies wouldn't the fuel tank have to be removed for them to fit?

PS found this photo on Flickr of TL153 getting ready to departing Goulburn: https://www.flickr.com/photos/37494672@N06/50085920208/
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

TL153 is a Bo-Bo loco to fit A1A bogies wouldn't the fuel tank have to be removed for them to fit?

PS found this photo on Flickr of TL153 getting ready to departing Goulburn: https://www.flickr.com/photos/37494672@N06/50085920208/
nscaler69
TL153 is the same EMD G12 export model as the QR 1400 class and the New Zealand DA class (later rebuilt as DCs). The QR 1400 class was tested and delivered to Brisbane on Bo-Bo bogies from Clyde, before being fitted with A1A-A1A narrow gauge bogies, which are somewhat shorter the Co-Co bogies fitted to the later G12C 1450 and 1460 class locomotives operated in Queensland (these Co-Co locos were 16.06m and 16.26m long). The A1A-A1A bogies used on the 1400s had smaller idler wheels that sat between the normal powered axles. The A1A-A1A bogies on the Kiwirail DCs are slightly different. The 1400 class is shown as 14.59m long, the TL class 14.48m long and the DC class 14.10m long.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
She's in place! Easily viewed from Winton Street right at the intersection with the Warrego Hwy.


Winton Street in the foreground, Warrego Hwy to the right







  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Somewhere about here, it would seem



(and yes, google street view isnt up to coat of course...)
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Doug Machin told the Western Star News the purchase, transport and crane hire will cost him $5.2-million, which seems a very large amount for a static exhibit.
Sulla1

Doug is known around town as "Dougie Dollars" perhaps it's a tax dodge or something? Many would brand him as quite a controversial figure. It does look rather impressive as you travel east out of town.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
I was just thinking, perhaps Doug should consider adding RM1804 to his "collection", it would probably be a whole lot cheaper and "just across the road".

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  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Doug Machin told the Western Star News the purchase, transport and crane hire will cost him $5.2-million, which seems a very large amount for a static exhibit.

Doug is known around town as "Dougie Dollars" perhaps it's a tax dodge or something? Many would brand him as quite a controversial figure. It does look rather impressive as you travel east out of town.
Graham4405

It's almost a shame with that amount of money to burn he couldn't have put it into one or more of the steam and diesel restoration projects around Queensland - a cash injection of that size could have finished many of them. Still, it's his money, he can spend it how he likes I suppose.
  GT46C-ACe Deputy Commissioner

Location: Gold Coast QLD
Answered Doug's motivations with your last line Sulla.
  DBclass Chief Commissioner

Location: Western Australia
5.2 million could of got you a shiney new one probably. I think those numbers are off. Probably 100k for the loco at best fully operational, maybe half that at scrap and maybe 60k for transport. I’m not in the game but that’s where I’d guess.
  GT46C-ACe Deputy Commissioner

Location: Gold Coast QLD
The figure quoted is apparently an all in figure to get the loco, get it there, mount it, etc.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
The figure quoted is apparently an all in figure to get the loco, get it there, mount it, etc.
GT46C-ACe
Mounting would have been simple. As per my photos above, a couple of lengths of 2nd hand track the length of the bogies with minimal sleepers, no ballast, just inside the gate. Drive the low loader in, lift off and onto track with a crane, Doug probably has a few in the yard. So loco + transport + labour. I'd say if he really paid $5.2m he got ripped off.
  hbedriver Assistant Commissioner

Even more of a rip-off considering the loco could have been rail hauled on standard gauge to Moree or beyond. Surely lots closer to Dalby, leaving only a small section for road haul. In this case, rail may have been much cheaper, bringing a load that was intended to run on that gauge anyway
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Every boy loves trains
Every little boy loves a train set. Doug Machin was no exception but now as a 'big boy' has gone one better. He has just had a full size locomotive delivered to his machinery yard.
The TL 153 class locomotive now calls the Dalby Machinery Centre yard on the corner of the Warrego Highway and Winton Street its forever home.
Owner Doug Machin said he always liked trains and particularly liked the TL153.
“My grandfather came out here in the 1950s and was station master at Macalister,” Mr Machin said.
The TL 153 was one of only five EMD G12 class diesel locomotives built by Clyde Engineering at Granville NSW for the Kowloon Canton Railway in Hong Kong.
Numbers 51 and 52 were built in 1955 then 53, 54 and 55 in 1957.
In 2004 KCR 51 was restored and placed into the Hong Kong Railway Museum.
The following year TL 153 was one of four EMD G12 locomotives purchased second hand and repatriated by CFCL Australia for use as lease units.
It was fully refurbished at Goulburn in 2007 and sent to Adelaide where it was used as a shunt engine at Islington workshops.
It was returned to Goulburn in 2011 and again refurbished. It was used as a shunt engine until it went into storage in 2013 not expected to see service again.
The locomotive was transported to Dalby by road arriving on Thursday morning.
Two cranes were put in position on Thursday afternoon then two more arrived on Friday to complete the lift off the truck and put the locomotive in position on tracks along the Winton Street fence.
Mr Machin said the yard is on the first intersection in town.“Everyone will know it as the yard where the train is,” he said. Mr Machin said he would put bump stops at either ends of the train and track ballast under the tracks. The train will be sign written with the DMC colours and remain on display.
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