50 level crossings to be removed

 
  TrackRailroad Train Controller

Location: Frankston Line
Good news the Deer Park level crossing removals have been fast tracked. Surely provision must be made for 4 tracks between Sunshine and Deer Park West, or at least constructed at the same time as the crossing removals.

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  EmrldPhoenix Station Master

Location: Melbourne, VIC
The Deer Park crossings have been brought forward to 2023. These projects are precursor to Melton & WV Projects, interesting they are being pushed up the list. One would hope provision for an additional track pair are part of both removals.

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/two-level-crossing-removals-fast-tracked-in-the-west/
Lockie91

Only Robinsons Rd and Fitzgerald Rd. Mt Derrimut Rd isn't being removed yet to allow for detours for the other works.

Fitzgerald Rd is going to be a road over design, while Robinsons Rd will be road under. Mt Derrimut Rd is set to be a rail over which will likely include a new Deer Park station.

For Fitzgerald Rd, the road bridge will continue up over Forrest Rd as well before doing a u-turn and intersecting with Forrest Rd from the north.
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

With an election in 2022 you'd expect the Mt Derrimut road level crossing removal and the construction of a new Deer Park station to be part of a Melton line electrification project. Everything seems nicely set up for it. They will get way past the original promise of 50 level crossings by 2022, especially now because of the economic stimulus, meaning they will probably have spare capacity to remove a few more than 75. I'm sure they'd love to get rid of as many if not all of the crossings on the Melton line if they are going to electrify it. Most of them should be able to simply be done with road over bridges built on green fields, so it shouldn't be too expensive.
  Lockie91 Chief Train Controller

With an election in 2022 you'd expect the Mt Derrimut road level crossing removal and the construction of a new Deer Park station to be part of a Melton line electrification project. Everything seems nicely set up for it. They will get way past the original promise of 50 level crossings by 2022, especially now because of the economic stimulus, meaning they will probably have spare capacity to remove a few more than 75. I'm sure they'd love to get rid of as many if not all of the crossings on the Melton line if they are going to electrify it. Most of them should be able to simply be done with road over bridges built on green fields, so it shouldn't be too expensive.
reubstar6
Mt Derrimut Road is going to be used as a detour during Robinsons Road. I would imagine they would shut it for a couple of months and remove it in one go. You would need a week or two to install a bridge deck under the railway, after that its all digging which can be done while the line is active.

As for Melton, there is no requirement for the government to remove the LX's as its already an active line. Legislation is that no NEW LX's can be built. Lets say they did decide to knock a couple off;

Hopkins Road - A very easy road bridge
Troops Road North - Road Bridge Over, but would require a service lane to maintain connections to Stewart Crescent & Westcott Parade. OR Rail Under. It will be a busy road, once the planned Freeway interchange is built.
Leaks Road - Road Bridge, no point demolishing a brand new station. But happy for the planners to prove me wrong on that one.
Paynes & Mt Cottrell Road - Both Road over, there is a station to be built between these to roads.
Ferris Road - Road Over, Another soon to be busy road feeding traffic from the freeway into the new housing estates.
Exford Road - Rail over with new Melton Station. 4 Platforms and an expanded bus interchange.
.... a little foam
Cobburns Road - Rail over, before the rail returns to surface level.
Possible new Station before Werrbiee River ?!?

Melton Hwy cost roughly $200 million, so we are talking a billion just on LX removals. Melton will end up costing $2B and still leaves the 'where do you put stablling' question.
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

Melton Hwy cost roughly $200 million, so we are talking a billion just on LX removals. Melton will end up costing $2B and still leaves the 'where do you put stablling' question
Lockie91

True but the Melton Highway crossing had several complexities including its large size, having to construct one side, divert traffic, then construct the other, and it being on land with other regular uses. Most of the Melton line crossings seem to be beside fields so this should significantly decrease the cost.

I guess it's just a matter of how much they want to future proof it. I'd highly doubt that Ballarat Fast Rail will go ahead now due to the current economic situation, so they won't have to quad all the way to Melton which would put pressure on removing crossings. But then again, it's a growing area and you'd expect increasingly frequent services along the line, so it would be good for them to just get them all out of the way while it's cheap.
  Lockie91 Chief Train Controller

Melton Hwy cost roughly $200 million, so we are talking a billion just on LX removals. Melton will end up costing $2B and still leaves the 'where do you put stablling' question

True but the Melton Highway crossing had several complexities including its large size, having to construct one side, divert traffic, then construct the other, and it being on land with other regular uses. Most of the Melton line crossings seem to be beside fields so this should significantly decrease the cost.

I guess it's just a matter of how much they want to future proof it. I'd highly doubt that Ballarat Fast Rail will go ahead now due to the current economic situation, so they won't have to quad all the way to Melton which would put pressure on removing crossings. But then again, it's a growing area and you'd expect increasingly frequent services along the line, so it would be good for them to just get them all out of the way while it's cheap.
reubstar6
These crossing are pretty similar to Melton Hwy or Abbots road. It may not be a four lane bridge going over the rail line. The same issues are present at a number of these crossings,  Troops and Leaks road but abut housing. Deer park is a station over road and Melton is most Lilley the same. Some are going to be cheaper, some not so much.

Ballarat Fast Rail was never a project, just mentioned as a thought bubble as part of the Western Rail Plan. Economic pressure is not going to be a negative issue. The government needs to spend their way out of this and the will. Cutting projects means cutting jobs. Melton will be quaded, if fast rail is ever built is another issue.
  Lockie91 Chief Train Controller

It’s level crossing season ????

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/thompsons-upgrade-finished-as-station-designs-revealed/

Today is Hallam’s announcement, with the station now sitting above the road to provide dual access.
  Upven Locomotive Driver

It’s level crossing season ????

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/thompsons-upgrade-finished-as-station-designs-revealed/

Today is Hallam’s announcement, with the station now sitting above the road to provide dual access.
Lockie91
That will benefit bus users who won't need to cross the road now, and by association hopefully reduce pedestrians crossing at that intersection. Interesting that they're not duplicating the road beneath.

Edit: Anyone else noticing the substantial changes in design of the new station, from say those built at Clayton and Noble Park? I wonder if now that skyrail has public support, the designs have reduced in quality and cost as the opposition has vanished.


  Lockie91 Chief Train Controller

@Upven

The amount of effort put in by the LXRP depends on the area. The designs for the upfield stations are quite striking. Same with Reservoir. I was never a huge fan of the cookie cutter approach on the CD9 project.

As for Hallam, it’s not in a residential area. Hallam station is quite an interesting location. There is no high street or retail near by. It is surround by large commercial, industry and warehouse type businesses.  Residential sits beyond this, some distance from the station. It not in a walkable catchment zone, mostly caters to bus and park & ride commuters.

There was no need to LXRP to spend more than they had to here. No sight lines, no nearby residents to keep happy.
  Upven Locomotive Driver

@Upven

The amount of effort put in by the LXRP depends on the area. The designs for the upfield stations are quite striking. Same with Reservoir. I was never a huge fan of the cookie cutter approach on the CD9 project.

As for Hallam, it’s not in a residential area. Hallam station is quite an interesting location. There is no high street or retail near by. It is surround by large commercial, industry and warehouse type businesses.  Residential sits beyond this, some distance from the station. It not in a walkable catchment zone, mostly caters to bus and park & ride commuters.

There was no need to LXRP to spend more than they had to here. No sight lines, no nearby residents to keep happy.
Lockie91
Yet you have no problems with the lack of shelter from the rain?
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Personally I don't see much of an issue with the design of the station. I would happily use a brand new station with modern lifts and stairs for access with moderate shelters supplied. It's much better than some of the poorly designed stations that were created in the past.

Remember when stations were built to look as ugly as Kelior Plains station. Only built in 2002, has no pedestrian underpass included as well.

Now lifts and over or underpasses for pedestrians are now standard features. DDA standard is now a must in builds. As well as at least looking quite fancy. Back in the past (1990s-2000s), railway construction was built super cheap by putting in a station with little amenities included.

I'm surprised how well built the CD9 stations are, but not every station has to built to that standard in terms of shelter and including escalators. As someone points out the station isn't located in a pretty environment in the first place.
  Lockie91 Chief Train Controller

@Upven

The amount of effort put in by the LXRP depends on the area. The designs for the upfield stations are quite striking. Same with Reservoir. I was never a huge fan of the cookie cutter approach on the CD9 project.

As for Hallam, it’s not in a residential area. Hallam station is quite an interesting location. There is no high street or retail near by. It is surround by large commercial, industry and warehouse type businesses.  Residential sits beyond this, some distance from the station. It not in a walkable catchment zone, mostly caters to bus and park & ride commuters.

There was no need to LXRP to spend more than they had to here. No sight lines, no nearby residents to keep happy.
Yet you have no problems with the lack of shelter from the rain?
Upven
I know a many people call for all weather cover on both platforms but this is not really needed.

During peak hours and the majority of the day trains every 10 minutes or better mean that you're not going to be out in the cold or wet for very long. With reduced numbers in the evenings there in no need to cover an entire platform for the 10 or so people that might be waiting for an 8 or 9pm inbound service. Platform 2 needs even less as everyone is off the train and straight into their cars or bus.

This is generally the case for most suburban stations, stations that serve counter peak flows have more cover; North Melbourne, Richmond, Footscray for example.

You'll also note that regular commuters pack for the occasion. Days where rain is forecast you'll notice most people have a heavy jacket or an umbrella at hand. Same for those that are pre dawn travellers during winter.

Going by the pretty pictures with no detail platform 1 seems to have two sections of coverage, possibly up to 50% with platform 2 having the standard one shelter.

If you want an example of a lack of coverage, head to South Kensington. A bus shelter on the platform is all you get.
  Lockie91 Chief Train Controller

Personally I don't see much of an issue with the design of the station. I would happily use a brand new station with modern lifts and stairs for access with moderate shelters supplied. It's much better than some of the poorly designed stations that were created in the past.

Remember when stations were built to look as ugly as Kelior Plains station. Only built in 2002, has no pedestrian underpass included as well.

Now lifts and over or underpasses for pedestrians are now standard features. DDA standard is now a must in builds. As well as at least looking quite fancy. Back in the past (1990s-2000s), railway construction was built super cheap by putting in a station with little amenities included.

I'm surprised how well built the CD9 stations are, but not every station has to built to that standard in terms of shelter and including escalators. As someone points out the station isn't located in a pretty environment in the first place.
True Believers
It is good that stations are now thought of as community spaces with an opportunity to turn pavement into a green plaza for people to relax in. This is really good in inner city area like Carnigee where the station forecourt is the only place to stop that is off the footpath. Its all part of CPTED. Crime Prevention Through Envriomental Design. Open spaces, clear sight lines, passive surveillance.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
I believe the standard for coverage on new stations is something like 60% undercover on the up platform. Hallam will get this, they just haven't chosen to highlight it in the artist impression that has been posted here.

I also don't expect it to be quite that shade of highlighter yellow when it is finished...
  slowcoach Junior Train Controller


Frankston Line reopening next Monday. Notice the new station signs with a coloured stripe.
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Frankston Line reopening next Monday. Notice the new station signs with a coloured stripe.
slowcoach
I've seriously lost count of how many times station signs have been refreshed in the last 20 years.
  loopy Locomotive Driver

Over the years they've had 8, although all types weren't at every station. Sorry I don't have photos, but these have been around since the 90's:

PTC - Green background, white writing

The Met - Green writing, yellow underline [V/Line with blue writing, red underline]

M>Train - Keilor Plains and Watergardens


Connex - Mitcham and Rosanna

Metlink - Blue background, white writing, platform number, Metlink logo [V/Line purple background, white writing, platform number, Viclink logo]

PTV - Same as Metlink but wrapped over Metlink signage [Viclink same treatment]

No PTV - Mernda extension stations, Frankston [as well as new platforms, new stations with PTV font without PTV logo]

Group stripe: Green at Mentone
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
  historian Deputy Commissioner


Frankston Line reopening next Monday. Notice the new station signs with a coloured stripe.
slowcoach

The Frankston line reopened last night, Friday 18.7, but not to passengers.

VicSig tweeted a photo of the first train, a Sprinter transfer, and I heard the Long Island go past just after midnight.

I believe that it's being used for driver training this weekend.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Received this today from LXRP regarding the Mooroolbark removal.
  doyle Chief Train Controller

I reckon station road Melton needs replacing asap there is enough room for a horse shoe type bridge probably cheaper to do it this way. less invasive although right angles maybe way too hard for Victorian drivers to negotiate
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
I reckon station road Melton needs replacing asap there is enough room for a horse shoe type bridge probably cheaper to do it this way. less invasive although right angles maybe way too hard for Victorian drivers to negotiate
doyle
I doubt there will be any action taken at Melton until electrification happens.

There was a large community campaign for Melton to get the same upgrades as Ballan and Bacchus Marsh with the Ballarat Line upgrade which all fell on deaf ears.

Depending on how and where they do stabling for electric trains, I could actually see Melton station being elevated.

If they didn't hold back until electrification, they could save some money by building it in a package for when they do Deer Park/Mt Derrimut Road in a few years.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

"There was a large community campaign for Melton to get the same upgrades as Ballan and Bacchus Marsh with the Ballarat Line upgrade which all fell on deaf ears."

Well Melton station is being upgraded as part of the stations listed to be upgraded as part of the COVID economical response. So I wouldn't say it's being ignored at all.
  doyle Chief Train Controller

What will happen to the Melton station building its the last working remaining type of its kind (Kaniva)
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
I thought they'd remove the crossing at Melton with the hybrid method - mostly by raising the rails, but also by lowering the road.

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