Ballarat Line upgrades underway

 
Topic moved from News by dthead on 20 Nov 2017 12:49
  whoistheg Station Master

Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
I’ve been wfh since start of March.. have they opened up all the new tracks and platforms on the line now?

Ballan, Bacchus ?

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  Carnot Minister for Railways

I’ve been wfh since start of March.. have they opened up all the new tracks and platforms on the line now?

Ballan, Bacchus ?
whoistheg
It's been a cone-of-silence on the RRV social media pages since 4th March.

Blue Hills Saga strikes again?
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
I’ve been wfh since start of March.. have they opened up all the new tracks and platforms on the line now?

Ballan, Bacchus ?
whoistheg
Lockie posted a page back that the balance of the commissioning works are happening August or later this year

Neil
  Rossco T Chief Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
Lockie posted a page back that the balance of the commissioning works are happening August or later this year

Neil
ngarner
What is the reason for the delay?

Ross
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Bairnsdale Wharf Line
With the interlocked Gates at Lddiyard Street chained up and the public road crossing closed due to a level crossing accident this would be the prefect time to under take alterations at the area .Vehicle traffic has an alternative route via the Armstrong Street bridge. With the crossing closed and the cast iron gate posts destroyed it could take months /years for a replacement as the area is heritage listed ,so why not close the gates permanently and extent  the bus bays out and provide more taxi/parking . Under normal operating conditions the inter locked gates are operated by remote  by the train controller in Melbourne and if there is a fault with the gates and they cannot be operated  ,the unbelievable  situation a raises that all Wendouree trains are terminated at Ballartat and buses run between Ballarat and Wendouree.
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
With the interlocked Gates at Lddiyard Street chained up and the public road crossing closed due to a level crossing accident this would be the prefect time to under take alterations at the area .Vehicle traffic has an alternative route via the Armstrong Street bridge. With the crossing closed and the cast iron gate posts destroyed it could take months /years for a replacement as the area is heritage listed ,so why not close the gates permanently and extent  the bus bays out and provide more taxi/parking . Under normal operating conditions the inter locked gates are operated by remote  by the train controller in Melbourne and if there is a fault with the gates and they cannot be operated  ,the unbelievable  situation a raises that all Wendouree trains are terminated at Ballartat and buses run between Ballarat and Wendouree.
david harvey
Indeed the old gates were long past their "use by" date.

Ramsden St, Clifton Hill is a good example of how to keep the heritage gates in good display , but use other more modern traffic contol.

Restoring the gates to working condition is a fools errand. However repairing and display only would be a lot more effective.

cheers
John
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
Lockie posted a page back that the balance of the commissioning works are happening August or later this year

Neil
What is the reason for the delay?

Ross
Rossco T
No 'delay'; the project is finished according to the "govmint". Just some commissioning works that aren't scheduled until later this year. Read that in whatever way you want!

Neil
  NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
The courier today has an article on the delays to the Ballarat Line upgrades to which I have added to RP.  Months later they say and the works are far from being completed.
  Lockie91 Chief Train Controller

Do you have a copy of the article, it’s behind a Murdoch pay wall.
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Bairnsdale Wharf Line
With the interlocked Gates at Lddiyard Street chained up and the public road crossing closed due to a level crossing accident this would be the prefect time to under take alterations at the area .Vehicle traffic has an alternative route via the Armstrong Street bridge. With the crossing closed and the cast iron gate posts destroyed it could take months /years for a replacement as the area is heritage listed ,so why not close the gates permanently and extent  the bus bays out and provide more taxi/parking . Under normal operating conditions the inter locked gates are operated by remote  by the train controller in Melbourne and if there is a fault with the gates and they cannot be operated  ,the unbelievable  situation a raises that all Wendouree trains are terminated at Ballartat and buses run between Ballarat and Wendouree.
Indeed the old gates were long past their "use by" date.

Ramsden St, Clifton Hill is a good example of how to keep the heritage gates in good display , but use other more modern traffic contol.

Restoring the gates to working condition is a fools errand. However repairing and display only would be a lot more effective.

cheers
John
justarider
I quite agree with John,the old gates were long past their "use by" date.After all the whole of the Ballarat station area is heritage listed. The gates could be displayed on the side and replaced with  boom barriers to control traffic .All the motorist see is a delay.   I would like to see the gates retained, but get with the plot as this heritage listing rubbish suits the powers that be when it suits them. After all  there are traffic light at the crossing as well and I dont think they are heritage listed.I didn't hear cry's of protest when the traffic light were placed into the "heritage area"What about Ballarat North signal box ,where was the heritage group when it burnt to the ground?THE Ballarat yard  blue stone  goods shed turned into a shopping plaza with eateries and cafes, I dont hear the word preservation?. Building a 4 story Hotel in the former goods yard ,Yes now thats heritage ,destorying a historical station yard and not even a single track preserved.Dont get me started on the  3 story car park built next to the 160 year old station  ,it certainly BLENDS in with the  heritage colours of the area.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The loop at Ballan was not functional/commissioned when I went through in June this year (last month) that is required to be completed.  There are also works around Bacchus Marsh still to be completed with the Up track (newly laid) not commissioned. @vinelander would have further info for us.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
The loop at Ballan was not functional/commissioned when I went through in June this year (last month) that is required to be completed.  There are also works around Bacchus Marsh still to be completed with the Up track (newly laid) not commissioned. @vinelander would have further info for us.
bevans

No obvious further works since then...however a few behind the scenes things have occurred as there has been some bustitution lately.

Mike.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

The loop at Ballan was not functional/commissioned when I went through in June this year (last month) that is required to be completed.  There are also works around Bacchus Marsh still to be completed with the Up track (newly laid) not commissioned. @vinelander would have further info for us.

No obvious further works since then...however a few behind the scenes things have occurred as there has been some bustitution lately.

Mike.
The Vinelander
One of the multiple Ministers responsible needs to get a rocket under completion of this BLU project been at a virtual standstill for 6 months. Now is the time to close all beyond Melton for two weeks with such low pax numbers and get the works at Wendouree, Millbrook, Ballan Loop and through Bacchus Marsh all connected up and operating.

The Media Release issued earlier this year saying all major work was completed was a complete "con" the major work is not complete when signalling is not commissioned, Ballan loop has great sections of track and signalling missing, and the double track and signalling, track slues at Bacchus Marsh are not done.

A little less focus on removing "dangerous and congested level crossings" , and more attention to finishing BLU that will actually benefit the long suffering Ballarat line punters would be in order.

PS:  Ballarat Courier & Bendigo Advertiser are Fairfax / Nine papers .  Geelong Advertiser is one of Ruperts stable, and its  website allows you nothing, all hidden behind Ruperts infamous payway as with the HUN .
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The lack of transparency on these repeated delays and cost over-runs is getting tiresome.  The media and the State Opposition need to lift their game and really interrogate those responsible.

I will note that some have done so (i.e Peter Walsh), but the response from the Govt is always very evasive and buck-shifting.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
The lack of transparency on these repeated delays and cost over-runs is getting tiresome.  The media and the State Opposition need to lift their game and really interrogate those responsible.

I will note that some have done so (i.e Peter Walsh), but the response from the Govt is always very evasive and buck-shifting.
Carnot

I think at this time there's so much infrastructure going on and the number of qualified engineers and others is so stretched that the system is trying to rob Peter to pay Paul.

Mike.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Looks like this is the answer when it's planned for completion, at the end of 2020. http://www.opv.vic.gov.au/Pipeline

  TrackRailroad Train Controller

Location: Frankston Line
Does this mean we can expect a new Ballarat line timetable in early 2021 with 40 minute off peak frequency to Ballarat and every 20 minutes to Melton/ Bacchus Marsh, as I think was originally planned? Similar to the current Geelong line weekday off peak frequency.

This would be fantastic to boost patronage on the line and attract car users from the Western Freeway.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Possibly although I would think they'd do it in conjunction with the HCMTs entering service (so it is one big timetable shake-up).
  TrackRailroad Train Controller

Location: Frankston Line
Possibly although I would think they'd do it in conjunction with the HCMTs entering service (so it is one big timetable shake-up).
railblogger
Okay thanks for letting me know.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Does this mean we can expect a new Ballarat line timetable in early 2021 with 40 minute off peak frequency to Ballarat and every 20 minutes to Melton/ Bacchus Marsh, as I think was originally planned? Similar to the current Geelong line weekday off peak frequency.

This would be fantastic to boost patronage on the line and attract car users from the Western Freeway.
TrackRailroad

40 mins in my view is still not frequent enough.  Minimium of 30 minutes off peak and 15 minutes peak is what I would be hoping for.
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Does this mean we can expect a new Ballarat line timetable in early 2021 with 40 minute off peak frequency to Ballarat and every 20 minutes to Melton/ Bacchus Marsh, as I think was originally planned? Similar to the current Geelong line weekday off peak frequency.

This would be fantastic to boost patronage on the line and attract car users from the Western Freeway.

40 mins in my view is still not frequent enough.  Minimium of 30 minutes off peak and 15 minutes peak is what I would be hoping for.
bevans
20 minutes peak, 40 minutes off peak are more realistic options. There are only so many track paths available.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Does this mean we can expect a new Ballarat line timetable in early 2021 with 40 minute off peak frequency to Ballarat and every 20 minutes to Melton/ Bacchus Marsh, as I think was originally planned? Similar to the current Geelong line weekday off peak frequency.

This would be fantastic to boost patronage on the line and attract car users from the Western Freeway.

40 mins in my view is still not frequent enough.  Minimium of 30 minutes off peak and 15 minutes peak is what I would be hoping for.
20 minutes peak, 40 minutes off peak are more realistic options. There are only so many track paths available.
Duncs

The service as it stands pre-COVID was excellent anyway. It's amazing that I've been volunteering at the station and had people just roll up to catch a train, despite the hourly service and just wait acordingly.

People have the App, they know when the train is, and generally plan their journey. I don't think it's very necessary to increase the frequency by much more than it already is.

Mike.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Does this mean we can expect a new Ballarat line timetable in early 2021 with 40 minute off peak frequency to Ballarat and every 20 minutes to Melton/ Bacchus Marsh, as I think was originally planned? Similar to the current Geelong line weekday off peak frequency.

This would be fantastic to boost patronage on the line and attract car users from the Western Freeway.

40 mins in my view is still not frequent enough.  Minimium of 30 minutes off peak and 15 minutes peak is what I would be hoping for.
20 minutes peak, 40 minutes off peak are more realistic options. There are only so many track paths available.
Duncs

Trouble is @Duncs trains are full on the current timetbale prior to the covid issues.  More services are required but how many?
  bevans Site Admin
  TrackRailroad Train Controller

Location: Frankston Line
Does this mean we can expect a new Ballarat line timetable in early 2021 with 40 minute off peak frequency to Ballarat and every 20 minutes to Melton/ Bacchus Marsh, as I think was originally planned? Similar to the current Geelong line weekday off peak frequency.

This would be fantastic to boost patronage on the line and attract car users from the Western Freeway.

40 mins in my view is still not frequent enough.  Minimium of 30 minutes off peak and 15 minutes peak is what I would be hoping for.
20 minutes peak, 40 minutes off peak are more realistic options. There are only so many track paths available.

Trouble is @Duncs trains are full on the current timetbale prior to the covid issues.  More services are required but how many?
bevans
Whilst every 30 minutes off peak and weekends would be great for Ballarat commuters, I think the single track limitations would pose a constraint on this. Every 40 minutes off peak would be definitely beneficial and an improvement on the current hourly service.

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