Future of Overland train service in doubt

 
Topic moved from News by dthead on 25 Nov 2019 19:16
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

Jezz now I'm counting again, hopefully fingers and toes

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  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Jezz now I'm counting again, hopefully fingers and toes
doyle
Would you prefer a thread on the Vinelander?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Would you prefer a thread on the Vinelander?
don_dunstan
Oh Gawd, no; too boring.  Get on with Shunter's "intimate" idea. I hear he was nicknamed after that English loco, "The Cock o' the North."
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Would you prefer a thread on the Vinelander?
Oh Gawd, no; too boring.  Get on with Shunter's "intimate" idea. I hear he was nicknamed after that English loco, "The Cock o' the North."
Valvegear
Too boring! Try telling Mike that - he thinks there's nothing that passengers would love more than winding their way through Geelong, Ararat and Avoca before actually joining the Mildura line at Maryborough and then starting the long, arduous trip @ 80km/h on the actual line...

You'd need to be really, really drunk or totally enamored with rail travel to enjoy it.
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

Gotta laugh
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Too boring! Try telling Mike that - he thinks there's nothing that passengers would love more than winding their way through Geelong, Ararat and Avoca before actually joining the Mildura line at Maryborough and then starting the long, arduous trip @ 80km/h on the actual line...

don_dunstan"

Please search till your heart's content, then quote back to us, where I've actually advocated this above nonsense.

M.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Too boring! Try telling Mike that - he thinks there's nothing that passengers would love more than winding their way through Geelong, Ararat and Avoca before actually joining the Mildura line at Maryborough and then starting the long, arduous trip @ 80km/h on the actual line...

Please search till your heart's content, then quote back to us, where I've actually advocated this above nonsense.

M.
The Vinelander
Trains, trains, trains. That's all I have to say.

Notice I put the commas in?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I mean, seriously? People will want a degustation menu while they're insufferably bored on the way to Mildura? Alcohol would have to be compulsory. Only you could come up with such a boring concept.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
I mean, seriously? People will want a degustation menu while they're insufferably bored on the way to Mildura? Alcohol would have to be compulsory. Only you could come up with such a boring concept.
don_dunstan

Hopefully this latest piece of your fluff will exhaust the discussion in here for another 8 days or so.

As to your 'boring concept'...it was a tongue in cheek reply to your earlier piece of fluff.


I think its high time we had another thread on the immanent re-opening of the Vinelander, don't you think, Mike? It's been several weeks now...don_dunstan

Perhaps so... good suggestion Don https://www.railpage.com.au/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

As it's been almost 30 years since the Vinelander operated to Mildura, perhaps it's once again time to re-visit this thorny and unfortunately expensive subject.

However nothing less than a new thrice a day SG V'Locity with fitted out lounge/bar car offering local wine tastings and a menu based creations by local chef Stefano Di Pieri utilising fresh produce procured from along the route will suffice.

Mike.
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
I mean, seriously? People will want a degustation menu while they're insufferably bored on the way to Mildura? Alcohol would have to be compulsory. Only you could come up with such a boring concept.

Hopefully this latest piece of your fluff will exhaust the discussion in here for another 8 days or so.
Mike.
The Vinelander
Don doesn't do irony. He is a literal only kinda man.

Another one won't help
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
I remember the good old days when there used to be moderators around here.
  splod Junior Train Controller

Location: Darwin, NT
Too boring! Try telling Mike that - he thinks there's nothing that passengers would love more than winding their way through Geelong, Ararat and Avoca before actually joining the Mildura line at Maryborough and then starting the long, arduous trip @ 80km/h on the actual line...
don_dunstan
If the gauge-convertable railcar recently advanced here as a possible replacement for the Overland was also introduced to this service, that would open up the direct route via Ballarat and Maryborough.  Having two routes using this equipment would open economies of scale for their acquisition and maintenance.

It may even allow the development of Ballarat as an interchange, supporting the introduction of a Ballarat - Geelong BG service.  Mind you, upgrade of the SG line to better than 80 km/h running would be needed to get the most out of the equipment and provide a decent service to attract passengers.
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
Too boring! Try telling Mike that - he thinks there's nothing that passengers would love more than winding their way through Geelong, Ararat and Avoca before actually joining the Mildura line at Maryborough and then starting the long, arduous trip @ 80km/h on the actual line...
If the gauge-convertable railcar recently advanced here as a possible replacement for the Overland was also introduced to this service, that would open up the direct route via Ballarat and Maryborough.  Having two routes using this equipment would open economies of scale for their acquisition and maintenance.

It may even allow the development of Ballarat as an interchange, supporting the introduction of a Ballarat - Geelong BG service.  Mind you, upgrade of the SG line to better than 80 km/h running would be needed to get the most out of the equipment and provide a decent service to attract passengers.
splod
Not a day goes by.....

When will people ever learn believing any of the nonsense @don delivers.

However you dice it, a guage change is necessary.
The SG line to Mildura is class 3.  Freight 80kph, PASSENGER 100kph. ( N sets included)
Maryborough to SCS via BG is class 2, 130kph for V/lo

Speed is not the inhibitor for a pax train to Mildura.
Just demand and money. Funny about CV19, now we have plenty of the latter, and none of the former.

cheers
John
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic

However nothing less than a new thrice a day SG V'Locity with fitted out lounge/bar car offering local wine tastings and a menu based creations by local chef Stefano Di Pieri utilising fresh produce procured from along the route will suffice.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Unfortunately, V/Line is now a temperance operator so no local red to accompany Stefano's fare at Mildura station whilst waiting for the next train to Southern Cross (which I think is delayed).
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line

However nothing less than a new thrice a day SG V'Locity with fitted out lounge/bar car offering local wine tastings and a menu based creations by local chef Stefano Di Pieri utilising fresh produce procured from along the route will suffice.

Mike.Unfortunately, V/Line is now a temperance operator so no local red to accompany Stefano's fare at Mildura station whilst waiting for the next train to Southern Cross (which I think is delayed).
gippslander

I'm well aware V/Line has gone temperance...and for many years now. Infiltrated by the Methodists perhaps Question

Delayed...but not permanently cancelled..

This was part of my tongue in cheek response to you know who.

Mike.  Smile
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud

However nothing less than a new thrice a day SG V'Locity with fitted out lounge/bar car offering local wine tastings and a menu based creations by local chef Stefano Di Pieri utilising fresh produce procured from along the route will suffice.

Mike.Unfortunately, V/Line is now a temperance operator so no local red to accompany Stefano's fare at Mildura station whilst waiting for the next train to Southern Cross (which I think is delayed).
I'm well aware V/Line has gone temperance...and for many years now. Infiltrated by the Methodists perhaps Question

Delayed...but not permanently cancelled..

This was part of my tongue in cheek response to you know who.

Mike.  Smile
The Vinelander
Your obsession with me knows no bounds. You probably pine away for me when you see that I'm not on the board.

"Delayed", LOL, yeah right. Delayed by just 27 years.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line

However nothing less than a new thrice a day SG V'Locity with fitted out lounge/bar car offering local wine tastings and a menu based creations by local chef Stefano Di Pieri utilising fresh produce procured from along the route will suffice.

Mike.Unfortunately, V/Line is now a temperance operator so no local red to accompany Stefano's fare at Mildura station whilst waiting for the next train to Southern Cross (which I think is delayed).
I'm well aware V/Line has gone temperance...and for many years now. Infiltrated by the Methodists perhaps Question

Delayed...but not permanently cancelled..

This was part of my tongue in cheek response to you know who.

Mike.  :)Your obsession with me knows no bounds. You probably pine away for me when you see that I'm not on the board.

"Delayed", LOL, yeah right. Delayed by just 27 years.
don_dunstan


Maybe it was the pink 'hot pants' you wore into the House.

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Mike.
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
Why is the Victoria paying for The Overland train between Melbourne and Adelaide for three years (providing $3.8 million per year over the next three years for the train service.)

Where Steven Marshall(Premier of South Australia) has pulled out funding for the service in 2018?

Why can't Mr Andrews tell the GSR ( Great Southern Railways) only run the service from Melbourne to Serviceton(near Victoria / SA border) till Steven Marshall(Premier of South Australia) agrees to put the money back into the service?

Victoria tax money should not be used to fund a service for South Australian(s).
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
Why is the Victoria paying for The Overland train between Melbourne and Adelaide for three years (providing $3.8 million per year over the next three years for the train service.)

Where Steven Marshall(Premier of South Australia) has pulled out funding for the service in 2018?

Why can't Mr Andrews tell the GSR ( Great Southern Railways) only run the service from Melbourne to Serviceton(near Victoria / SA border) till Steven Marshall(Premier of South Australia) agrees to put the money back into the service?

Victoria tax money should not be used to fund a service for South Australian(s).
melbtrip
Youz just don't get it.

$3.8M is a drop in the bucket of the full operating cost  of the train. Journey Beyond ( not GSR) would just laugh at your suggestion.

Victorian tax money is not for the benefit of South Aussies.
It's to suck tourist dollars eastwards. During the footy finals, the $3.8M will be made back easy.
Journey Beyond are in the tourist business, they will do and take whatever it takes to turn a dollar.
Cheap fares for Western Vics (aka voters) , and good PR in general, is a bonus.

The inabilty of SA premier to grap the benefit if tourist dollars in his direction is baffling, but Vic govt hasn't let that deter decisions for Vic benefit.

cheers
John
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
SA gets it, not sure you do Justarider.

There be exactly zero footy finals held in Melbourne this year, and the tourist dollars flowing east are non existent because presently exactly zero people want to go that way. Sadly, there still seems a desire for Victoria’s stupid premier to allow the virus to flow west and north though.

SA does acknowledge some tourist dollars coming from the east on the overland, except we now get those dollars gratis, because SA’s government isn’t dumb enough to pay for them.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
I mistook you for a girl , sorry...
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
SA gets it, not sure you do Justarider.

There be exactly zero footy finals held in Melbourne this year, and the tourist dollars flowing east are non existent because presently exactly zero people want to go that way. Sadly, there still seems a desire for Victoria’s stupid premier to allow the virus to flow west and north though.

SA does acknowledge some tourist dollars coming from the east on the overland, except we now get those dollars gratis, because SA’s government isn’t dumb enough to pay for them.
Aaron
I don't understand the decision to keep throwing money at this dinosaur - the only angle that makes sense is the announcement of a new and improved service further down the track and the desire to demonstrate some kind of continuity. But its very unlikely we'll see any train at all before the end of the year given that nobody is allowed over the border at present, not even South Australians trying to return home.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I mistook you for a girl , sorry...
wobert
Your attempt at a zinger, is it?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
SA gets it, not sure you do Justarider.

There be exactly zero footy finals held in Melbourne this year, and the tourist dollars flowing east are non existent because presently exactly zero people want to go that way. Sadly, there still seems a desire for Victoria’s stupid premier to allow the virus to flow west and north though.

SA does acknowledge some tourist dollars coming from the east on the overland, except we now get those dollars gratis, because SA’s government isn’t dumb enough to pay for them.
I don't understand the decision to keep throwing money at this dinosaur - the only angle that makes sense is the announcement of a new and improved service further down the track and the desire to demonstrate some kind of continuity. But its very unlikely we'll see any train at all before the end of the year given that nobody is allowed over the border at present, not even South Australians trying to return home.
don_dunstan

Additional comments from Mr HP who has absolutely no interest whatsoever in any aspect of the Overland Question

M.

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