The corona virus COVID-19

 
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Doubt it Don they will would be blue team
doyle
LOL yeah right, in Brimbank, Dandenong and Wyndham they're all 'blue team' people.

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  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Regardless of the present, and even the most stringent future restrictions, we all know that the type of people who are flouting the rules are those with a healthy sense of self righteousness. Pompous old farts set in their ways, Miss Prissy's who think the world revolves around them (regardless whether they are teenagers who apply makeup with a trowel, or middle aged princesses sick of walking the footpaths of Brighton), conspiracy theorists, religious zealots, deniers etc. Generally speaking, such people believe that their individual rights are far more important than their social responsibilities and hide behind archaic and barely relevant constitutions (classic example are NRA members in America). Grouped together, please remind me who they would normally vote for?
Seriously? Have you seen where the cases are greatest? It ain't Toorak or Bra-ton.

For those who came in late.......

https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/coronavirus-update-victoria-30-july-2020
As if every single person in working class suburbs is a leftie.

Look further afield. Potts Point, anyone?
DirtyBallast
Wow dude. Just Wow.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Face masks from midnight Sunday...

So the only leadership chairman Dan has on Covid is to lead a state of Australia to 1000 daily cases before implementing less than the required restrictions? Top work mate.
700 is not 1000. Pull your head in.
DirtyBallast
By midnight Sunday it may well be. I’d suggest pulling your own head in, and putting a mask on it.

For sure the reported cases in Victoria is going to be closer to 1000 than SA for MONTHS to come.
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

And those things didn't happen!  
well that's data for ya
Ah that's right I forgot it's actually a "Victorian wave"
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Regardless of the present, and even the most stringent future restrictions, we all know that the type of people who are flouting the rules are those with a healthy sense of self righteousness. Pompous old farts set in their ways, Miss Prissy's who think the world revolves around them (regardless whether they are teenagers who apply makeup with a trowel, or middle aged princesses sick of walking the footpaths of Brighton), conspiracy theorists, religious zealots, deniers etc. Generally speaking, such people believe that their individual rights are far more important than their social responsibilities and hide behind archaic and barely relevant constitutions (classic example are NRA members in America). Grouped together, please remind me who they would normally vote for?
Seriously? Have you seen where the cases are greatest? It ain't Toorak or Bra-ton.

For those who came in late.......

https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/coronavirus-update-victoria-30-july-2020
As if every single person in working class suburbs is a leftie.

Look further afield. Potts Point, anyone?
DirtyBallast
Yeah, Melton, Frankston, Moonee Ponds just all teeming with blue team voters.

As for Potts Point, the federal member is Tanya Plibersek, pretty sure she didn’t get there by blue voting, locally, Alexander Hart is independent.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Charming young girls go to Melbourne for a shoplifting spree in high end shops and instead end up bringing back COVID19 to Brisbane and have been potentially spreading anywhere and everywhere. What lovely, community-minded ladies they are - Seven News;
And as if that wasn't enough, the brother of one of them is furious with the media for failing to respect his sister's privacy, and says that this was only done because she's a person of colour. Rather than respect her privacy, I'd put her and her idiot brother in the stocks.
It's the exact opposite of what DirtyBallast said, the people who are flouting the rules don't really strongly identify with Australia or Australians because they weren't born here and they don't think obeying the rules is important. They only think their own little world or enclave is what matters. And to a great extent its the various Labor-party led governments that have reassured them that this is the correct way of thinking; that the greater good doesn't matter.
don_dunstan
So you typically blame the niggas and ignore the white trash break-the-blockade Karen from Warrandyte?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Some observations.

Andrews and the blame game; I'd say he has some pretty fair points. People are screwing up.

People failing the abide by the rules; is as obvious as anything could be, and the number pinged for failing to isolate, congregating, travelling excessively, cheating at border crossings, and otherwise generally not caring, tells it all.(I'll leave the psychoanalysis bit about lacking Australian values to others)

Voters; what the hell does it matter how Covid-19 victims vote?

And, before anyone rabbits on again about the hotel/security guard fiasco; it's history and an obvious blunder, but it's not the sole cause for the second spike.
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

Yeah What he said
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Charming young girls go to Melbourne for a shoplifting spree in high end shops and instead end up bringing back COVID19 to Brisbane and have been potentially spreading anywhere and everywhere. What lovely, community-minded ladies they are - Seven News;
And as if that wasn't enough, the brother of one of them is furious with the media for failing to respect his sister's privacy, and says that this was only done because she's a person of colour. Rather than respect her privacy, I'd put her and her idiot brother in the stocks.
It's the exact opposite of what DirtyBallast said, the people who are flouting the rules don't really strongly identify with Australia or Australians because they weren't born here and they don't think obeying the rules is important. They only think their own little world or enclave is what matters. And to a great extent its the various Labor-party led governments that have reassured them that this is the correct way of thinking; that the greater good doesn't matter.
So you typically blame the niggas and ignore the white trash break-the-blockade Karen from Warrandyte?
DirtyBallast
If you look at where the 'clusters' were it's pretty obvious that it wasn't "Karen from Warrandyte".

And there's no need whatsoever for that kind of language.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Some observations.

Andrews and the blame game; I'd say he has some pretty fair points. People are screwing up.

People failing the abide by the rules; is as obvious as anything could be, and the number pinged for failing to isolate, congregating, travelling excessively, cheating at border crossings, and otherwise generally not caring, tells it all.(I'll leave the psychoanalysis bit about lacking Australian values to others)

Voters; what the hell does it matter how Covid-19 victims vote?

And, before anyone rabbits on again about the hotel/security guard fiasco; it's history and an obvious blunder, but it's not the sole cause for the second spike.
Valvegear
@Valvegear, you are right on, there were I think a lot that were linked back to the Public Housing towers, I think some infections were bought back from the BLM protest?? (Unsure about that, thought I heard that in amongst all the news.)
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
@Valvegear, you are right on, there were I think a lot that were linked back to the Public Housing towers, I think some infections were bought back from the BLM protest?? (Unsure about that, thought I heard that in amongst all the news.)
lsrailfan
It has been widely reported that the BLM protest in Melbourne did not lead directly to an explosion of cases.

The outbreaks in the PH towers around Flemington and North Melbourne seem to be tied to a wider outbreak which stemmed directly from the Hotel Quarantine failure

That outbreak now seems to have spread to aged care and other workplaces where people linked to those outbreaks are employed.
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

Only a few from blm
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I am not sure there are cases from the BLM protests, BUT I think allowing the protests, putting it out in the public’s mind that mass gatherings were no longer a problem, that large groups could congregate and that the precautions that were being undertaken previously suddenly were not important - will forever be looked on as quite a mistake to make.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I am not sure there are cases from the BLM protests, BUT I think allowing the protests, putting it out in the public’s mind that mass gatherings were no longer a problem, that large groups could congregate and that the precautions that were being undertaken previously suddenly were not important - will forever be looked on as quite a mistake to make.
Aaron
Yep, that is what I meant in my post above when I said "directly"

I have spoken to more that a few people in Victoria who changed their behaviour following the BLM protest in Melbourne.

Weeks of personal sacrifice followed by seeing the footage on the telly was just too much for them.

Not saying i agree, just saying, it is what it is........
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Some observations.

Andrews and the blame game; I'd say he has some pretty fair points. People are screwing up.

People failing the abide by the rules; is as obvious as anything could be, and the number pinged for failing to isolate, congregating, travelling excessively, cheating at border crossings, and otherwise generally not caring, tells it all.(I'll leave the psychoanalysis bit about lacking Australian values to others)

Voters; what the hell does it matter how Covid-19 victims vote?

And, before anyone rabbits on again about the hotel/security guard fiasco; it's history and an obvious blunder, but it's not the sole cause for the second spike.
Valvegear
Personally I am sick and tired of the non blame game.

Some people are to blame and they need to be held accountable.

Enough of this BS about no one is to blame. Those who are to blame need to be held accountable for their actions.

Those who are tested and refuse to self isolate need to be locked up.

I am under normal circs a big believer in personal freedom and civil liberties but this is a pandemic. This is not situation normal.
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
Personally I am sick and tired of the non blame game.

Some people are to blame and they need to be held accountable.

Enough of this BS about no one is to blame. Those who are to blame need to be held accountable for their actions.

Those who are tested and refuse to self isolate need to be locked up.

I am under normal circs a big believer in personal freedom and civil liberties but this is a pandemic. This is not situation normal.
BrentonGolding
And number one on the list to blame IS "Karen from Warrandyte"

She may not have CV (serves her right when it's her turn), but emblematic of the rat baggery out there being spread by that new race of "influencers".
It's sad that some actually listen, sad world today.

BLM may have given a poor example, but Ms Karen went out of her way to undermine the only reasonable advice being provided.

sick & tired, with no cheer
John
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Personally I am sick and tired of the non blame game.

Some people are to blame and they need to be held accountable.

Enough of this BS about no one is to blame. Those who are to blame need to be held accountable for their actions.

Those who are tested and refuse to self isolate need to be locked up.

I am under normal circs a big believer in personal freedom and civil liberties but this is a pandemic. This is not situation normal.
And number one on the list to blame IS "Karen from Warrandyte"

She may not have CV (serves her right when it's her turn), but emblematic of the rat baggery out there being spread by that new race of "influencers".
It's sad that some actually listen, sad world today.

BLM may have given a poor example, but Ms Karen went out of her way to undermine the only reasonable advice being provided.

sick & tired, with no cheer
John
justarider
You don’t think governments undermined their authority when they ‘allowed’ a protest despite the ‘reasonable advice’ they’d been providing before then? You don’t think that people rightly following the government’s reasoned advice stopped listening when the government said that their prior advice had no meaning on that day? Karen might be an influencer or whatever, but a bigger influencer was the government’s allowance of the frankly terrible lack of public awareness and safety displayed during the protest.
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

This outbreak could of happened to any of the states
Just dumb luck
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Luck had nothing to do with it!
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Well I rang my state member yesterday, and it was actually him who answered the phone Shocked.

Anyway, I said people for whatever reasons and not/starting not to listen to the premier’s message, and WTF they need to be doing as part of the collective fight on this. It’s not about me, or YOU, it’s US.
There’s no Spock here - the needs of the few DO NOT outweigh the needs of the many. To believe otherwise is akin to something like Treason IMHO.

So I said the stick being wielded for non compliance is an absolute joke. There’s a 0 missing. Should be $2000 for not wearing a mask (without valid reason), and $16,563 for travelling without one of the 4 valid reasons.

You want compliance, some people will due to their good nature, others will knowing there’s and damn good stick to be hit with IF you don’t AND, no wiggle room for being hit with it if you’re not going to comply. Don’t want to comply, stump up the cash. Don’t want to line the government coffers with fine revenue, then comply.

So he’s said he’s going to pass that up.


Personally, should people be called out and hounded in public for not complying- possibly IF it makes Biatch from Bunnings have a bad mental health day.
Should she be shamed?? If she wants to be a tall poppy, well maybe she should be chopped down, and that go on face ache or whatever forum in the calling out of non compliance etc.
After all, her (and others) deliberate non compliance is directly dissolving the largely good efforts of the majority.

That should be called out, that should be shamed to the maximum, and those people’s freedoms taken way temporarily as they are actively undermining everyone else’s freedoms by deliberately contributing to the problem being worsened.

Regards

Ps - Question. How many believe people are now flouting the 4 reasons to be out locally, because people now think wearing a mask is a mitigation measure thus allowing freedom of movement we didn’t have without wearing a mask??

Pps - I think casual employment in Aged care is now going to get some attention. The Covid figures in aged care are astronomical. How many infected people worked across multiple facilities I would like to know? That would have to be a major contributing factor surely?
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

Don't fool yourself this bug is just bubbling away
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

Davesvline
Pps - I think casual employment in Aged care is now going to get some attention. The Covid figures in aged care are astronomical. How many infected people worked across multiple facilities I would like to know? That would have to be a major contributing factor surely?

We only just witnessed first hand what happened in age care in Italy, Spain and other countries, were was the preparation for our aged care facilities?

Our aged care system has been broken for many many years

Like I said dumb luck.. but aged care was foreseeable
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
And number one on the list to blame IS "Karen from Warrandyte"

She may not have CV (serves her right when it's her turn), but emblematic of the rat baggery out there being spread by that new race of "influencers".
It's sad that some actually listen, sad world today.

BLM may have given a poor example, but Ms Karen went out of her way to undermine the only reasonable advice being provided.

sick & tired, with no cheer
John
You don’t think governments undermined their authority when they ‘allowed’ a protest despite the ‘reasonable advice’ they’d been providing before then? You don’t think that people rightly following the government’s reasoned advice stopped listening when the government said that their prior advice had no meaning on that day? Karen might be an influencer or whatever, but a bigger influencer was the government’s allowance of the frankly terrible lack of public awareness and safety displayed during the protest.
Aaron
the lack of awareness around is out of towners believing the absolute lies spouted forth by The Australian and their ilk.

You weren't there Aaron.  Plenty coverage at the time did show awareness of distance and masks(not encouraged at that time).

Still not the right thing to do, but the safety process was actively encouraged and followed. Unlike rat bags encouraging the opposite.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/can-the-black-lives-matter-protests-in-melbourne-be-blamed-for-the-current-outbreak

We still live in a free society. You gunna blame politicians who you clearly dislike for every stupid thing people do, despite the warnings.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I am not sure there are cases from the BLM protests, BUT I think allowing the protests, putting it out in the public’s mind that mass gatherings were no longer a problem, that large groups could congregate and that the precautions that were being undertaken previously suddenly were not important - will forever be looked on as quite a mistake to make.
"Aaron"
I suspect I may have said much the same previously, but Aaron is quite right. Giving the green light to the BLM protest sent entirely the wrong message. I heard or read many comments from people who couldn't believe social distancing et al were necessary, given the fact that the Premier had not made vigorous attempts to stop the BLM gathering.

Those who are tested and refuse to self isolate need to be locked up.I am under normal circs a big believer in personal freedom and civil liberties but this is a pandemic. This is not situation normal.
"BrentonGolding"
Right on, brother. These morons going on about their right to not wear a mask should be locked up until they've written "I have a social responsibility" 10,000 times, plus a fine of $2,000.00, as davesvline suggested, for every time they're caught. Where the carrot is not working, it's time for a bloody great nulla nulla to come out and be applied vigorously.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Victoria has recorded a further 627 coronavirus cases in the past 24 hours, the ABC understands.

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