Rail group to push for services

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 28 Jul 2020 13:16
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
Happens 22 times a day at Frankston (Stony Point). 2 x SG sprinters could be used. The trade-off being 3 return trips a day. The original proposal was to save the DG cost and to avoid the 80 km/h restriction, which, the lifting of, is yet to be documented.

Geelong - Ballarat, if ever although more value than Dunolly, would be SG.
-kitchgp

Would you consider a second track on the Ballarat to Gheringhap Line with SG and BG separated the idea of the overland being back via Ballarat would capture more customers potentially with an ability to change at Ballarat for points west to Adelaide. Customers for the western suburbs of Melbourne could change at Ballarat for higher speed VELOCITY services.

Extend VELOCITY services from Ballarat to Horsham on the SG via Ararat.
NSWGR8022
this sillyness just won't go away.

The existing, regular services from Ararat and Maryborough are both through to Melbourne, with No change, using the higher speed VELOCITY.

Youz want to change all that for an undefined handful of pax that might get a train instead of bus.

Yes, screw over everybody that actually uses a service, so that some crazy idea can get a trial. ( oops forgot that is the Vline motto)

The Overland wil never go back to a guage break. Journey Beyond want to keep the limited number of pax that they have. The extra hour going the long way round might offend gunzells, but the pax are quite comfy sitting down to afternnon tea.
Potential pax along the Ballarat line can already join The Overland at Ararat.

cheers
John

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  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Happens 22 times a day at Frankston (Stony Point). 2 x SG sprinters could be used. The trade-off being 3 return trips a day. The original proposal was to save the DG cost and to avoid the 80 km/h restriction, which, the lifting of, is yet to be documented.
kitchgp
Happens multiple times each week at Bendigo too if you count being forced off the train in order for 2 VL sets to couple up without the risk of multiple fatalities and then pax getting back on the same train Laughing
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
Happens 22 times a day at Frankston (Stony Point). 2 x SG sprinters could be used. The trade-off being 3 return trips a day. The original proposal was to save the DG cost and to avoid the 80 km/h restriction, which, the lifting of, is yet to be documented.
Happens multiple times each week at Bendigo too if you count being forced off the train in order for 2 VL sets to couple up without the risk of multiple fatalities and then pax getting back on the same train Laughing
BrentonGolding
Would be funny, except yore serious.Rolling Eyes
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

If the Maryborough to Gheringhap dual-gauging is ever completed, however, it would theoretically be possible to run a service St Arnaud - Geelong on the standard gauge, connecting to the more direct V/line broad gauge services to Southern Cross at Ballarat.  The commercial viability of such a service is quite another matter.
a thought could be an extension of the Maryborough service to Castlemaine and a new service from Geelong to St Arnaud.

@"The Vinelander,"
Mike where are you?
Interlopers are taking over your territory.Think ZH needs to come out of hibernation...Rolling Eyes

BigShunter.
BigShunter

Yes where is he?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Still no suburban service to Clunes Evil or Very Mad
bingley hall

Interestingly Clunes is serviced by coach from Maryborough to Ballarat but not by rail.

https://www.vline.com.au/getattachment/208ac9f8-4c82-4d2f-80af-6e0739ede11b/Maryborough-Melbourne-(via-Ballarat-and-Castlemain

Why?
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Still no suburban service to Clunes Evil or Very Mad

Interestingly Clunes is serviced by coach from Maryborough to Ballarat but not by rail.

https://www.vline.com.au/getattachment/208ac9f8-4c82-4d2f-80af-6e0739ede11b/Maryborough-Melbourne-(via-Ballarat-and-Castlemain

Why?
bevans
Really?
oh wait it reopened in 2012
https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/stop/1591/clunes-station/3/regional-train/#StopPage:::datetime=2020-07-30T05%3A54%3A43.823Z&directionId=-1&showAllDay=false&_auth=179c97c6d14117ece905c0b61153799131ef1f933b8fda1504002ba07d88ea84
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
Still no suburban service to Clunes Evil or Very Mad

Interestingly Clunes is serviced by coach from Maryborough to Ballarat but not by rail.

https://www.vline.com.au/getattachment/208ac9f8-4c82-4d2f-80af-6e0739ede11b/Maryborough-Melbourne-(via-Ballarat-and-Castlemain

Why?
bevans
???
if you want to catch a train, try going to "clunes station" instead of "clunes". Think bing was having a go at the infrequency.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Still no suburban service to Clunes Evil or Very Mad

Interestingly Clunes is serviced by coach from Maryborough to Ballarat but not by rail.

https://www.vline.com.au/getattachment/208ac9f8-4c82-4d2f-80af-6e0739ede11b/Maryborough-Melbourne-(via-Ballarat-and-Castlemain

Why?
Really?
oh wait it reopened in 2012
https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/stop/1591/clunes-station/3/regional-train/#StopPage::=2020-07-30T05%3A54%3A43.823Z&directionId=-1&showAllDay=false&_auth=179c97c6d14117ece905c0b61153799131ef1f933b8fda1504002ba07d88ea84
Dangersdan707

You are correct my friend I was reading TALBOT not CLUNES. Smile

My bad
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Happens multiple times each week at Bendigo too if you count being forced off the train in order for 2 VL sets to couple up without the risk of multiple fatalities and then pax getting back on the same train
"BrentonGolding"
You really do have to wonder what drongo thought this idea up - obviously someone without enough real work to do. I wonder how many times I sat eating dinner on the Southern Aurora whilst a motorail wagon and the train loco were attached.  For more years than I care to remember there were dozens of us coupling engines on to packed trains at PBR. We also coupled locos on to full trains at Seymour, Echuca, Yarrawonga et al with SHRC, and, on all of those occasions, there was never a hint of any form of injury, no matter how slight.
It's the ultimate nanny state madness.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

Happens multiple times each week at Bendigo too if you count being forced off the train in order for 2 VL sets to couple up without the risk of multiple fatalities and then pax getting back on the same train
For more years than I care to remember there were dozens of us coupling engines on to packed trains at PBR.
Valvegear

They don't do that anymore. Last time I was on Puff at Belgrave, they made everyone get out, wait in a queue while they coupled up, and then let the punters join the train.

(We did the morning Menzies Creek - Belgrave local and then returned to Menzies Creek on the second train.)
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
It just occured to me that prior to the electrification to Sunbury, certain Bendigo trains used to divide there without anyone being booted off. I seem to remember this happening between RFR being completed and the electrifcation being completed.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

I remember that, too.  Both uncoupling or coupling of Sprinters and locomotive run-arounds took place with passengers.  The Stony Point train also used to run-around with passengers.  For the loco run-around they probably didn't care whether there were passengers onboard.  There would have been very few intending passengers at the time of run-around anyway.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
They don't do that anymore. Last time I was on Puff at Belgrave, they made everyone get out, wait in a queue while they coupled up, and then let the punters join the train.
"historian"
I thought the management of Puff had more brains. When was the last time someone was hurt, on any train, just by being aboard when the loco came on? It's an insult to the drivers among other things. What's next? Are we going to ban people having a look at the loco because a safety valve might lift?
  SinickleBird Assistant Commissioner

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
If memory serves me, some (likely intoxicated) dude overbalanced on the stairs of a V-set while another 4 cars were being attached at Central.

The nanny-state mindset is such that you need to protect people from their own actions, as well as those of others.

There was another case where a driver sued North Sydney Council over injury sustained in an accident. Said driver was drunk and hooning about in Milsons Point at 3am when the relevant incident occurred. For some reason, the driver and the lawyers thought that council had a duty of care to prevent that situation.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
You really do have to wonder what drongo thought this idea up - obviously someone without enough real work to do. I wonder how many times I sat eating dinner on the Southern Aurora whilst a motorail wagon and the train loco were attached.  For more years than I care to remember there were dozens of us coupling engines on to packed trains at PBR. We also coupled locos on to full trains at Seymour, Echuca, Yarrawonga et al with SHRC, and, on all of those occasions, there was never a hint of any form of injury, no matter how slight.
It's the ultimate nanny state madness.
Valvegear

It is almost as if V/Line work hard to make the experience of customers as difficult as possible it is quite amazing the psychology of their work.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
It certainly reinforces the belief that V Line considers passengers to be an incidental unpleasantness. I think they'd prefer to have no passengers, in similar fashion to 'Yes, Minister's famous hospital with no patients.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
At Spencer Street in the VR days, passengers were usually allowed to board once the train had been docked by the pilot, but before the train engine came on.  On the train you might feel a slight bump when the engine came on, but it was nothing to worry about.

At Flinders Street, four car trains would sometimes have three more attached, or a seven set would have three cars detached, while at the platform..  Can't remember passengers sitting in the other four cars being made to get off.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

If memory serves me, some (likely intoxicated) dude overbalanced on the stairs of a V-set while another 4 cars were being attached at Central.

The nanny-state mindset is such that you need to protect people from their own actions, as well as those of others.
SinickleBird
Long experience with many organisations leads me to think that protecting themselves is a greater motivator than protecting you.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

In spite of the rose tinted rear view mirrors employed by some, there were certainly incidents of rough shunting when engines coupled up in the good old days. I remember of reading of one incident at Sale where several passengers needed medical attention after the loco coupled hard enough to knock suitcases off the luggage racks onto the bonces of aforesaid passengers. That cost the VR a bit of gold. No doubt there were many others.

On the other hand, going back even further, when the dining car came on or off the Adelaide Express in the thirties at Ararat (or was it Ballarat?), the shunting was carried out with any passengers not patronising the refresh still in the cars. And we're not talking about the loco coming onto an occupied train. The entire front of the train, with passengers, would be shunted off to No 2 Road. The pilot would then lift or place the dining car (if placing, this would be onto the remaining cars, also with passengers). The front of the train would then be shunted onto the tail of the train. The VR instructions concerning this movement were mainly concerned with ensuring that any passengers wishing to alight and patronise the refresh had done so before the shunting commenced, and didn't try to do so while shunting was in progress or when they were stationary in No 2 Road.

In the old days, of course, the number of passengers was such that it simply wouldn't have been practical to kick them all off. It'd be too slow if nothing else. In any case, imagine the fuss if you'd kicked everyone off the Adelaide Express pre-dawn just to shunt the dining car on. The cars were cold enough anyway. Imagine how cold the platform would have been.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
V/line has systematically trashed the North East making the service the worst it has ever been in its long history.

Back on Dunolly what is stopping V/line from extending some services now ?
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Attitude.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

no passengers
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
In spite of the rose tinted rear view mirrors employed by some, there were certainly incidents of rough shunting when engines coupled up in the good old days. I remember of reading of one incident at Sale where several passengers needed medical attention after the loco coupled hard enough to knock suitcases off the luggage racks onto the bonces of aforesaid passengers. That cost the VR a bit of gold. No doubt there were many others.
"historian"
What about some more recent history.
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Bairnsdale Wharf
I feel that V/Lines has an issue with their potential country customers. One of the main problems is that by the time their customers  are       8 years old they can already drive a ute,tow a trailer and drive a tractor. Some children can easily travel 500 kilometres a week on a school bus for half their school life just to get to school,so these kids are never getting on a bus or public transport again. 99% of country kids get their learners at 16,  car licence at 18 and after that,they drive every where. They have to for work , in most cases public transport is non-existent .After all"Its a world of cars" I would dearly love the train to return to Dunolly , St Arnund or Donald . The train cant be there as a security blanket , we all know that a  train runs to our town to make our town prosper,  but people have to use the service not just take comfort in the fact that they  might need it one day.

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