The corona virus COVID-19

 
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Let’s not forget, Victoria was close to elimination, down to a period of single digit cases a day, now they’ve spread it north and tried their best to export it west too.

It may be that Victorians are incapable of containing the virus, but the rest of Australia can keep the Victorians contained to Victoria.

Lucky you got out Don.
Aaron

Queensland likes to import its own, combined with a spot of shoplifting in Melbourne:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-31/coronavirus-queensland-logan-cases-diana-lasu-family/12507852

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  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
There is this document which is called The Geneva Convention; Valvegear and Ms Palaszczuk would be well advised to read it, the answers sought are contained within.


I have no idea what it says in the Geneva Con about diplomatic travel during a Pandemic, however you would have hoped for some commonsense by the country they represent and not play on their Diplomatic immunity.
RTT_Rules
In a nutshell it says that diplomats have freedom of movement, travel and protection from detention. Also, it’s the Vienna convention not Geneva, my error.

Quarantining diplomats in a hotel would be tantamount to detention, so they instead allowed to self isolate at their homes, which is exactly what each one of them is doing. A handful of diplomats is not the problem, we certainly have a couple of cases of positive diplomats, but I think Australia has a single community case traced to a diplomat.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
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Covid-19 is knocking the world around because no human anywhere has any form of immunity, and without vaccine it will be several generations before we build natural immunity. It won’t be until then that we can even think of trying to manage this like a ‘cold or flu’.
But if we're determined to not let it out into the general community then we'll never attain the mythical "herd immunity". Chicken and egg.
don_dunstan
Herd immunity is no myth, but it won’t occur naturally, which is why the option (note singular option) is strictly elimination ahead of vaccination, which could (anti vaxxers get in the way) lead to heard immunity.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
6 weeks is too far away to make a prediction, I hope there is some improvement, but also have concern that there may not be much of one - we will have an idea when we look at the numbers in about 10 days.

I do however note that I was surprised that Chairman Dan didn’t go with a stage 4 lock down about two weeks ago (a post you Doyle ‘disliked’ I note) - Tony Bartone thought it should have occurred more than two weeks ago (the 18th of July).

We will never know how many of the more than 6,000 infections and nearly 100 deaths Victoria has recorded since, or how many future infections and sadly inevitable deaths to come might have been prevented, but we can say with the utmost certainty it would have substantially more than 0 in all four measurements.
We only need someone to come in from VIC or NSW and cheat the system like those Queensland women did to start the whole COVID19 bushfire off here all over again.
don_dunstan
Queensland and NSW dropped the ball there.

Sure, Queensland authorities might not have realised or been able to know these two ‘girls’ had been to Victoria, but NSW did, and knowing they were transiting they should have informed Queensland of their incoming flight. Sure, that might be extra work for some desk driving government official, but think of all the work saved not having to do all the contact tracing in two aircraft/airports and within the girls’ social circle.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Queensland and NSW dropped the ball there.

Sure, Queensland authorities might not have realised or been able to know these two ‘girls’ had been to Victoria, but NSW did, and knowing they were transiting they should have informed Queensland of their incoming flight. Sure, that might be extra work for some desk driving government official, but think of all the work saved not having to do all the contact tracing in two aircraft/airports and within the girls’ social circle.

Given it appears to be a criminal operation, it's possible they were travelling with different names and stories on one of the legs. You don't need identification to buy a domestic airline ticket and anyone can pay for it. Any contact tracing is based on the person telling the truth. In this case there's likely to be omissions.
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

Aaron
I think I was disagreeing with the notion that the economy wasn't opened too early, I could be wrong

I have always thought we should of gone stage 4 or whatever for the first lock down and weeks before stage 3 actually happened
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

95 close contacts being monitored as 2 new cases with origins from Victoria although some were not linked to Victoria

This sounds like things are starting falling apart

Lucky you got out Don was the quote from Aaron

Can we stop this parochial c r a p
  bevans Site Admin
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
There is this document which is called The Geneva Convention; Valvegear and Ms Palaszczuk would be well advised to read it, the answers sought are contained within.


I have no idea what it says in the Geneva Con about diplomatic travel during a Pandemic, however you would have hoped for some commonsense by the country they represent and not play on their Diplomatic immunity.
RTT_Rules
In a nutshell it says that diplomats have freedom of movement, travel and protection from detention. Also, it’s the Vienna convention not Geneva, my error.

Quarantining diplomats in a hotel would be tantamount to detention, so they instead allowed to self isolate at their homes, which is exactly what each one of them is doing. A handful of diplomats is not the problem, we certainly have a couple of cases of positive diplomats, but I think Australia has a single community case traced to a diplomat.
"Aaron"


Yes, I don't expect them to be forcefully locked-up. Just volunteer or and prove they are not above the rest of us in their home detaining.
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

It's behind a pay wall Bevens
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
SA has two new coronavirus cases, SA Health said on Monday, bringing the state’s total to 455 with eight active cases.

Two men in their 50s have both tested positive to COVID-19.

One flew into Adelaide on a repatriation flight from India last week, while the other is linked to a known case, a woman in her 20s who was announced on Sunday.

Saying “Australia is on high alert”, Premier Steven Marshall announced new restrictions starting midnight tomorrow (Tuesday night).
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The Victorian Cabinet has proposed sweeping industrial and business closures and leaving only essential services operating to supply medical needs, food, power and communications to implement its draconian Stage 4 coronavirus restrictions.
The Andrews’ Cabinet has considered proposals to close down most construction sites, leaving only uncompleted residential sites and works necessary for safety open.

Vast parts of manufacturing and industry will also close although mining and farming will be allowed to continue work, especially agriculture and aquaculture food suppliers.

The Victorian Cabinet has considered leaving abattoirs open to secure supplies of fresh meat but Daniel Andrews has publicly questioned whether butchers will be allowed to operate.
Abattoirs in Victoria have proved to be COVID-19 hot spots.

Manufacturers not involved in medical production, including masks and protective clothing as well as medicines and “paper products” — toilet paper – for household use face closure.

Road, rail and air transport will remain open as well as wholesale warehouses and motor vehicle repairers.
Banking and communication services are deemed essential to be kept running as is pest control and building cleaning services.

Special services helping the vulnerable and elderly, and funerals as already announced, will be able to continue.

theaustralian.com.au/nation/coronavirus-australia-live-news-victorias-mystery-cases-rise-to-760-as-strict-curfew-enacted/news-story/0b72ac4dd3ee728c6d31628ddce878c0
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
More than 240 Woolworths workers at a Melbourne distribution centre supplying Dan Murphy’s and BWS stores have stopped work after an employee reported positive to COVID-19.

The United Workers Union is demanding all of the workers are tested for coronavirus while the Laverton site is shut down for 72 hours for a deep-clean.
“Workers will keep taking action like this until these big companies like Woolworths put their safety, and the safety of the community, ahead of profit,” the union’s logistics industries director, Matt Toner said.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
There is this document which is called The Geneva Convention; Valvegear and Ms Palaszczuk would be well advised to read it, the answers sought are contained within.
"Aaron"
Bad wording in my previous post. I should have said that diplomatic immunity does not automatically confer immunity from disease.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
There is this document which is called The Geneva Convention; Valvegear and Ms Palaszczuk would be well advised to read it, the answers sought are contained within.
"Aaron"
Bad wording in my previous post. I should have said that diplomatic immunity does not automatically confer immunity from disease.
"Valvegear"


While its against the convention to detain diplomats, you can say, "you will do this, or we invite you to leave the country". Right now the political fall out would be very low.

Aaron has indicated that most diplomats are playing by the rules and self isolating and in general behaving themselves, however those knowingly travelling infected, should be told to leave. Zero tolerance.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Business/industry level restrictions now introduced in Melbourne with most starting at at 23:59 on Wednesday night. This is now a REAL lockdown on the way.

I am guessing there is going to be a huge run on the supermarkets over the next 2 days.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Business/industry level restrictions now introduced in Melbourne with most starting at at 23:59 on Wednesday night. This is now a REAL lockdown on the way.

I am guessing there is going to be a huge run on the supermarkets over the next 2 days.
Mr. Lane
Supermarkets are staying open.  It's KMart/Bunnings/Target/JBHifi that are going to have a run on their stores.  They are going Click and Collect/Delivery only in Melbourne from Thursday.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

I think the one person per household rule doesn't have much scientific backing.  If they normally stay in the same room if not the same bed, they would be all infected anyway as long as one of them has already been.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Business/industry level restrictions now introduced in Melbourne with most starting at at 23:59 on Wednesday night. This is now a REAL lockdown on the way.

I am guessing there is going to be a huge run on the supermarkets over the next 2 days.
Supermarkets are staying open.  It's KMart/Bunnings/Target/JBHifi that are going to have a run on their stores.  They are going Click and Collect/Delivery only in Melbourne from Thursday.
Carnot
Yes but the Premier has openly said "you may not be able to get everything you want" and there will be 1/3 production cut in meatworks capacity.

That will cause a run I reckon.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Business/industry level restrictions now introduced in Melbourne with most starting at at 23:59 on Wednesday night. This is now a REAL lockdown on the way.

I am guessing there is going to be a huge run on the supermarkets over the next 2 days.
Supermarkets are staying open.  It's KMart/Bunnings/Target/JBHifi that are going to have a run on their stores.  They are going Click and Collect/Delivery only in Melbourne from Thursday.
Yes but the Premier has openly said "you may not be able to get everything you want" and there will be 1/3 production cut in meatworks capacity.

That will cause a run I reckon.
Mr. Lane
If Bunnings actually listed some of the smaller timber sizes online as avaliable for click and collect I'd be perfectly fine with this. (the 1200/1800/2400mm stuff). Guess I'm going to have to order stuff model train stuff online before then so I have stuff to do during the next 4-6 weeks.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Business/industry level restrictions now introduced in Melbourne with most starting at at 23:59 on Wednesday night. This is now a REAL lockdown on the way.

I am guessing there is going to be a huge run on the supermarkets over the next 2 days.
Supermarkets are staying open.  It's KMart/Bunnings/Target/JBHifi that are going to have a run on their stores.  They are going Click and Collect/Delivery only in Melbourne from Thursday.
Yes but the Premier has openly said "you may not be able to get everything you want" and there will be 1/3 production cut in meatworks capacity.

That will cause a run I reckon.
If Bunnings actually listed some of the smaller timber sizes online as avaliable for click and collect I'd be perfectly fine with this. (the 1200/1800/2400mm stuff). Guess I'm going to have to order stuff model train stuff online before then so I have stuff to do during the next 4-6 weeks.
speedemon08
If there's a local forest or a few trees in your backyard, you could chop them down and mill them....

As for meat, they can still import it from interstate if there's capacity.  Prices are likely to go up though.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
There is this document which is called The Geneva Convention; Valvegear and Ms Palaszczuk would be well advised to read it, the answers sought are contained within.
Bad wording in my previous post. I should have said that diplomatic immunity does not automatically confer immunity from disease.


While its against the convention to detain diplomats, you can say, "you will do this, or we invite you to leave the country". Right now the political fall out would be very low.

Aaron has indicated that most diplomats are playing by the rules and self isolating and in general behaving themselves, however those knowingly travelling infected, should be told to leave. Zero tolerance.
RTT_Rules
Most diplomats? I am not sure we have had a case of ANY diplomat doing the wrong thing. They're generally well educated people, with resources allowing them to comply and have no desire to 'create an international incident'.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I think the one person per household rule doesn't have much scientific backing.  If they normally stay in the same room if not the same bed, they would be all infected anyway as long as one of them has already been.
route14
Mathematics is a pretty solid science. Carrying capacity of stores is the basis in science. Less numbers per household = more households provided for.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Business/industry level restrictions now introduced in Melbourne with most starting at at 23:59 on Wednesday night. This is now a REAL lockdown on the way.

I am guessing there is going to be a huge run on the supermarkets over the next 2 days.
Supermarkets are staying open.  It's KMart/Bunnings/Target/JBHifi that are going to have a run on their stores.  They are going Click and Collect/Delivery only in Melbourne from Thursday.
Carnot
Remember the toilet paper thing earlier this year? The shelves will be stripped regardless of whether doing so is rational.
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

Wife went to Aldi its was pretty much empty

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