The corona virus COVID-19

 
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Well I can tell you for a fact stage 4 is NO different to stage 3.
Why, because everyone is now just getting a Permitted Worker form, signed by their boss as the "I'm allowed to go to work" reason.
The definition of "essential work" has blurred to the point of irrelevance.  

Mrs works for a family run marketing firm. Is this essential - absolutely Fking NOT. Got the permit, off you go to work.

Construction industry...... Get in the way of them and their $200k a year and look out!!

Just turn the effing joint off. Nope too hard. Lets see the figures still triple digits in 5 weeks from now, and the effluent will really hit the fan.

Here's the kicker. You could say you're going to do the right thing and not go out for 6 weeks as they want. But unless EVERYONE does at the same time, the community transition will still be there and present the risk to the point where you doing the 6 week hiatus will have been pointless if its still around for you to get.

So unless the other guy stops doing what they're doing, then the argument will always come back to why should I?? The disparity of this intended effect is contributing to the constant angles here being sought to get around why some places should remain at work.

And in 5 weeks we'll see the extension of stage 4

Regards

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  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Well I can tell you for a fact stage 4 is NO different to stage 3.
Why, because everyone is now just getting a Permitted Worker form, signed by their boss as the "I'm allowed to go to work" reason.
The definition of "essential work" has blurred to the point of irrelevance.  

Mrs works for a family run marketing firm. Is this essential - absolutely Fking NOT. Got the permit, off you go to work.

Construction industry...... Get in the way of them and their $200k a year and look out!!

Just turn the effing joint off. Nope too hard. Lets see the figures still triple digits in 5 weeks from now, and the effluent will really hit the fan.

Here's the kicker. You could say you're going to do the right thing and not go out for 6 weeks as they want. But unless EVERYONE does at the same time, the community transition will still be there and present the risk to the point where you doing the 6 week hiatus will have pointless.

So unless the other guy stops doing what they're doing, then the argument will always come back to why should I?? The disparity of this intended effect is contributing to the constant angles here being sought to get around why some places should remain at work.

And in 5 weeks we'll see the extension of stage 4

Regards
davesvline

Yep a mate of mine who is an electronics technician is still driving into work each day and doesn't have to wear a mask whilst at work according to his bosses, unless he is close to other people. I have also been asked to help someone move house as if nothing at all has changed. So far its looking identical to Stage 3 except for the 8PM curfew.

Given that spreading is still happening within aged care, meatworks and now reports within the hospitals themselves (workers now saying they need higher grade PPE) and the fact that so many workplaces are "essential", it really brings into question for me the purpose of the curfew. I can see it helping to reduce spread between families and friends that live apart, but really will that be enough?

Not only that, as a user of the app hookup app Tinder, I can reliably inform you folks that people are trying to hook up with boyfriends and girlfriends "for 6 weeks only." They are called Iso-f**k-buddies.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Well I can tell you for a fact stage 4 is NO different to stage 3.
Why, because everyone is now just getting a Permitted Worker form, signed by their boss as the "I'm allowed to go to work" reason.
The definition of "essential work" has blurred to the point of irrelevance.  

Mrs works for a family run marketing firm. Is this essential - absolutely Fking NOT. Got the permit, off you go to work.

Construction industry...... Get in the way of them and their $200k a year and look out!!

Regards

Yep a mate of mine who is an electronics technician is still driving into work each day and doesn't have to wear a mask whilst at work according to his bosses, unless he is close to other people. I have also been asked to help someone move house as if nothing at all has changed. So far its looking identical to Stage 3 except for the 8PM curfew.
Mr. Lane
I know we are not known as a nation of dobbers but those 2 examples are clearly in breach of the rules and should be reported as such. Both those businesses should be shut down. They are also risking MASSIVE fines if found to be in breach.

We are getting bombarded with information from our industry body, a few every day at least, telling us what we can and can't do. And most of it is can't for Melbourne businesses.

And up here in Castlemaine the Citizen's Militia are out in force, telling people off for not mask wearing, refusing entry to shops etc etc etc. Never seen owt like it!
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Another example of an epic fail by the Victorian DHSS and others

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-06/covid-19-abattoir-outbreak-raises-questions-about-dhhs-response/12526816

On top of all the stuff we are hearing about DHSS taking 2 weeks to notify workplaces, not notifying some positive cases / close contacts at all etc etc etc this is starting to look like a real farce.
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

This is why I brought this up the other day

What is happening with the hospital staff that they are getting this virus?
Is it incorrect use of ppe?
Is the ppe the right type?
doyle"

"Bit of each and the fact it is just extremely difficult to maintain complete isolation from the virus working with infected patients week after week after week. Apparently they are now using higher grades of PPE but its painful after 10 hour shifts and it makes working on non affected patients more difficult and every patient is being treated as if they are infected, which slows everything down." Mr Lane

According to the ABC news this morning hospital staff ER and so on are using blue splash masks and not n95 respirator masks

I have been seeing them wearing only blue splash masks and face shields and only some with the p2 and some with n95 on the tele over the last few months

No wonder so may health workers have caught covid... Idiots

We trust these so called "heroes" with our lives

no wonder my wife and I have been in self isolation since before the beginning of the first lock down, trust government trust the professions emphatically NO

I feel another inquiry on the way

Sorry to say this again but you can't make this stuff up
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

Brenton
I know we are not known as a nation of dobbers but those 2 examples are clearly in breach of the rules and should be reported as such. Both those businesses should be shut down. They are also risking MASSIVE fines if found to be in breach.


With my child care updates and what been said this morning here

I don't hold out much hope
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
With my child care updates and what been said this morning here

I don't hold out much hope
doyle
I was more thinking about the businesses getting big fines. The government would have a fair to middling chance of being able to enforce those and they are much bigger fines than the ones for individuals.

Businesses remaining open are required to have implemented a Covidsafe plan and with the vastly reduced numbers of shops open and PSOs and the like being redeployed to enforcement I would wager that many if not most can expect at least one compliance visit during the Stage 4 restrictions
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Well I can tell you for a fact stage 4 is NO different to stage 3.
Why, because everyone is now just getting a Permitted Worker form, signed by their boss as the "I'm allowed to go to work" reason.
The definition of "essential work" has blurred to the point of irrelevance.  

Mrs works for a family run marketing firm. Is this essential - absolutely Fking NOT. Got the permit, off you go to work.

Construction industry...... Get in the way of them and their $200k a year and look out!!

Regards

Yep a mate of mine who is an electronics technician is still driving into work each day and doesn't have to wear a mask whilst at work according to his bosses, unless he is close to other people. I have also been asked to help someone move house as if nothing at all has changed. So far its looking identical to Stage 3 except for the 8PM curfew.
I know we are not known as a nation of dobbers but those 2 examples are clearly in breach of the rules and should be reported as such. Both those businesses should be shut down. They are also risking MASSIVE fines if found to be in breach.

We are getting bombarded with information from our industry body, a few every day at least, telling us what we can and can't do. And most of it is can't for Melbourne businesses.

And up here in Castlemaine the Citizen's Militia are out in force, telling people off for not mask wearing, refusing entry to shops etc etc etc. Never seen owt like it!
BrentonGolding
Dobbing other people in - a great Aussie tradition.
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

Every job is essentially essential, the permit system is a joke.the roads are still busy, 170 dead so far, failed strategies from the beginning from all levels of government
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

I knew this was going to be half a r s e d
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

According to the ABC news this morning hospital staff ER and so on are using blue splash masks and not n95 respirator masks

I have been seeing them wearing only blue splash masks and face shields and only some with the p2 and some with n95 on the tele over the last few months

No wonder so may health workers have caught covid... Idiots

We trust these so called "heroes" with our lives

no wonder my wife and I have been in self isolation since before the beginning of the first lock down, trust government trust the professions emphatically NO
doyle

I think it's more about lack of access to the correct PPE rather than the health workers not wanting to wear it. The hospital staff are very stressed out at the moment and there is fear about bringing the infection home and infecting older family members.

Honestly they probably should be providing hotel quarantine for health workers so they don't have to go home and infect family members.

From both talking to people I know who have partners in the system and also from news reports it seems the problems are made much worse by people staying away from hospitals who really need to be taken to hospital, allowing their conditions to deteriorate and then presenting much later than they otherwise would when they are desperately ill and have no choice.
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

Yes exactly hospital staff should be in hotel quantine, ppe was an issue a long time before now, things need to be done better, we don't learn lessons easily. shoulda woulda coulda

6 or so months on we still haven't got it right
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
If I were a hospital Dr and you made me quarantine in a hotel instead of being to come home at night the answer would be obvious. I’d quit - then where will the hospital be?
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

Wouldn't you think.. oh I should do it so I don't infect my family and not be responsible for unnecessary sickness or unnecessary deaths
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

You knew I was going to write that
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
If I quit what risk am I at? Maybe they should just quarantine your child caring daughters in a hotel and keep the centres open? Yeah they won’t to be doing that will they? Why expect DRs to? Drs know the risk far better than anyone else let them work and live as they wish, they’re under enough stress already.
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

No You wouldn't be at risk

Both my daughters have moved in to one house together and their partners moved in their another house

yeah they are In effect living in quarantine
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

Aaron relax man

If my children ar being proactive, this happened after a family meeting I can't see why hospital staff can't do something similar
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

I have a big family and we make big decisions, for the benefit of our family, we look after our own, because no one else will, we are doing the right things for us.
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

During the first lock down my wife and I had taken primary aged grand son 8 years old and and eldest grandchild 13 went to Adelaide with one of my other daughters and baby 8 months went to other daughter whom has 2 children

We are all unhappy that the grand children went back to daughters house after first lock down

Both partners are looking after the older grandchildren, that house we know will be a pig sty after the 6 weeks and the youngest grand child is with other daughter

5 girls, 1 son and 5 grand children
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

NBN techs in my building today installing new connections.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

One industry that could be declared non-essential, and staff greatly reduced, is the Media. It’s becoming rather tedious to be told what we should or shouldn’t be doing by people with little or no qualifications.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Daniel Andrews thought that a few thousand Black Lives Matter protesters were okay a few months ago:

3/6/2020

Victoria Police Assistant Commissioner Luke Cornelius said police were respected people’s rights to protest, but would have preferred the action be postponed until after the COVID-19 pandemic has passed.

He urged those planning to attend to follow public health directions on social distancing to prevent any more coronavirus infections.

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said outgoing Victoria Police Chief Commissioner Graham Ashton and his successor Shane Patton had told him they would not be enforcing social distancing fines at the protest because it was “not feasible” given thousands of people may attend.

“That’s a decision that Victoria Police has made,” Mr Andrews said, adding that the decision had not been made by his Police Minister Lisa Neville.

But now all of the sudden a hundred or so people protesting his draconian restrictions in the city are going to have the book thrown at them if they dare to show up:

6/8/2020

Police have slammed the action as a “completely blatant breach” of health orders and warned anyone who attends faces a $1652 fine.

“This selfish behaviour will absolutely not be tolerated. Be assured Victoria Police will be responding and will take appropriate action,” a Victoria Police spokesperson said.

“There will be a highly visible presence in and around the city to ensure the community is complying with Stage Four restrictions.

“We will have no hesitation in issuing $1,652 fines or making arrests on the day, if necessary.”
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

60 billion in the hole need to make it up some how
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
60 billion in the hole need to make it up some how
doyle
They'll have to have the pokies and the speed cameras all turned up to full tilt 24/7 and even then it will still take them decades.

Never mind. I read the other day that Argentina has strategically defaulted on its sovereign debt for the third time in 20 years - perhaps Victoria will need to consider something like that?

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