Daniel Andrews Imploding Act

 
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

Donald
Our national border is a federal concern. Border farce

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  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Donald
Our national border is a federal concern. Border farce
doyle
Kristina Keneally has been tweeting incessantly about the fact that she believes Border Force and Peter Dutton stuffed up by allowing the Ruby Princess passengers to disembark earlier this year (remember that?); but the fact is that if someone arrives in Australia with a potentially contagious disease its actually a state government responsibility to detect and detain those people as per the division of powers between the states and the Commonwealth in the constitution.

Another weird quirk of the constitution but it was actually the NSW Department of Health that was at fault for allowing the Ruby Princess passengers to leave the ship with COVID19 infections.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Donald
Our national border is a federal concern. Border farce
Kristina Keneally has been tweeting incessantly about the fact that she believes Border Force and Peter Dutton stuffed up by allowing the Ruby Princess passengers to disembark earlier this year (remember that?); but the fact is that if someone arrives in Australia with a potentially contagious disease its actually a state government responsibility to detect and detain those people as per the division of powers between the states and the Commonwealth in the constitution.

Another weird quirk of the constitution but it was actually the NSW Department of Health that was at fault for allowing the Ruby Princess passengers to leave the ship with COVID19 infections.
don_dunstan

But they have been been exonerated - as you have implied on many occasions, the only people at fault in this pandemic are the Chinese Razz
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Donald
Our national border is a federal concern. Border farce
Kristina Keneally has been tweeting incessantly about the fact that she believes Border Force and Peter Dutton stuffed up by allowing the Ruby Princess passengers to disembark earlier this year (remember that?); but the fact is that if someone arrives in Australia with a potentially contagious disease its actually a state government responsibility to detect and detain those people as per the division of powers between the states and the Commonwealth in the constitution.

Another weird quirk of the constitution but it was actually the NSW Department of Health that was at fault for allowing the Ruby Princess passengers to leave the ship with COVID19 infections.

But they have been been exonerated - as you have implied on many occasions, the only people at fault in this pandemic are the Chinese Razz
bingley hall
Well they threatened nations at the start who wanted to close their borders to China on account of the virus - and the World Health Organization agreed with them. But I'm sure you'll say that was a perfectly natural thing for them to do - right?
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

unfortunately the high court and constitutional lawyers are needed to decipher most of the constitution
It's not worth the paper it's written on
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
unfortunately the high court and constitutional lawyers are needed to decipher most of the constitution
It's not worth the paper it's written on
doyle
And yet so many get excited about changing the Preamble.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Is Daniel Andrews a political dead man walking??
Black Board

Absolutely and positively not, in fact I think he's on track in 2 years and a bit to increase his majority, in part due to the hapless Opposition here in Victoria.

Mike.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Ruby Princess lies strictly at the feet of NSW state government, the federal government had no responsibility over it at all.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Ruby Princess lies strictly at the feet of NSW state government, the federal government had no responsibility over it at all.
Aaron
You sure? Ruby Princess passengers allowed off ship after Border Force mistook negative flu tests for coronavirus results

BTW: The above was your 10,000th post!
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Ruby Princess lies strictly at the feet of NSW state government, the federal government had no responsibility over it at all.
You sure? Ruby Princess passengers allowed off ship after Border Force mistook negative flu tests for coronavirus results

BTW: The above was your 10,000th post!
KRviator
The NSW Health Minister has already stated they stuffed up.

Read the ACT on border security. As the Fed's don't retain medical facilities and staff, it falls onto the states to provide this service.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Donald
Our national border is a federal concern. Border farce
Kristina Keneally has been tweeting incessantly about the fact that she believes Border Force and Peter Dutton stuffed up by allowing the Ruby Princess passengers to disembark earlier this year (remember that?); but the fact is that if someone arrives in Australia with a potentially contagious disease its actually a state government responsibility to detect and detain those people as per the division of powers between the states and the Commonwealth in the constitution.

Another weird quirk of the constitution but it was actually the NSW Department of Health that was at fault for allowing the Ruby Princess passengers to leave the ship with COVID19 infections.
don_dunstan
She can say what she likes, but the NSW Health Minister publicly acknowledged their error months ago. As the former NSW Premier, she of all people should know better and as such she is just playing politics rather than adding any value to a dead duck topic.  

The Feds do not maintain a health team for border checks and as such it falls on the states and written so in the fed govt website which I found and posted on this subject in April.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
unfortunately the high court and constitutional lawyers are needed to decipher most of the constitution
It's not worth the paper it's written on
doyle
Constitutional lawyers are nothing more than people who read a 120 year old document then argue over what the "intent" was by the authors who are no longer around to defend their work and had no idea how irrelevant their statements could become.

The problem with Constitutions are the same as the Bible and other religious books, they age and become increasingly irrelevant unless updated to allow for human development. However updating is near impossible because to change something you are seen as a non-true believer or whats your real motive?

Section 44 and for the USA 2nd amendment come to mind.

The UK has the other problem, they don't have one at all, hence reliance on precedent.

Dammed if you do or don't.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

If we had a referendum on the issue of removing Section 44, my bet is that the proposal would be rejected by a thumping great margin well over 60% - but maybe receive a tight Yes vote in the ACT.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Ruby Princess lies strictly at the feet of NSW state government, the federal government had no responsibility over it at all.
You sure? Ruby Princess passengers allowed off ship after Border Force mistook negative flu tests for coronavirus results

BTW: The above was your 10,000th post!
KRviator
I am absolutely certain!

It departed Sydney, it arrived Sydney and stopped at no other port. By what definition is that an international cruise? It was simply a domestic cruise, the passengers went no more internationally than Qantas do when they fly people over Antarctica and back.

Border Force have nothing to do with domestic travel.

It’s purely state health (there is no federal health) and state quarantine for domestic travel.

This is squarely on NSW alone.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Ruby Princess lies strictly at the feet of NSW state government, the federal government had no responsibility over it at all.
You sure? Ruby Princess passengers allowed off ship after Border Force mistook negative flu tests for coronavirus results

BTW: The above was your 10,000th post!
I am absolutely certain!

It departed Sydney, it arrived Sydney and stopped at no other port. By what definition is that an international cruise? It was simply a domestic cruise, the passengers went no more internationally than Qantas do when they fly people over Antarctica and back.

Border Force have nothing to do with domestic travel.

It’s purely state health (there is no federal health) and state quarantine for domestic travel.

This is squarely on NSW alone.
Aaron
Not quite

"Ruby Princess' visit to Napier on 15 March 2020 led to a cluster of 16 COVID-19 cases there"

The Ruby Princess made five stops throughout New Zealand, visiting Fiordland (11 March), Dunedin (12 March), Akaroa (13 March), Wellington (14 March) and Napier (15 March) before returning to Sydney.

Australian Border Force is responsible for passport control and customs, while the federal Department of Agriculture is responsible for biosecurity in Australia under the Biosecurity Act 2015; however, it is up to each state's health department to prevent illness in the community. Responsibility for the breakdown in communications will be determined by a later enquiry.[258]
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I didn’t think Ruby Princess made landfall in NZ?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Nonetheless, even if it did, okay Border Force would look at immigration and customs issues, still not health.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I didn’t think Ruby Princess made landfall in NZ?
Aaron
It was cut short.

Still your previous statement is basically correct, NZ is almost a domestic trip. Smile
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I didn’t think Ruby Princess made landfall in NZ?
Aaron
It possibly did after 6 pm and they thought the place was shut.Very Happy
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
I didn’t think Ruby Princess made landfall in NZ?
It possibly did after 6 pm and they thought the place was shut.Very Happy
Valvegear
Cruel. Laughing

Ships that cruise around/to New Zealand certainly are international in nature. The cruise in question should not be regarded as a simple return trip from Sydney because there would have been a certain percentage of passengers that actually started their cruise in Wellington and would have disembarked from there on the next lap.

My wife and I went on a similar cruise ex-Melbourne last December; it also included Auckland. This, and I suspect all cruises that do the same circuit, are marketed to New Zealanders as ex-Auckland. From memory the 'churn' on the day we were there was in the order of 1200 passengers! When we arrived back in Melbourne 1700 of us ended our cruise and the 1200 from Auckland were then joined by another 1700 or so who were just beginning their cruise. And so on.

Edit: Just remembered, the day we arrived back in Melbourne it reached 43.5 degrees. The South Pacific Poms who joined us four days earlier would have been dropping like flies! Laughing
  Carnot Minister for Railways
  NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Belt and Road deal is in strife:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-26/government-boosts-powers-to-cancel-foreign-agreements/12599000
Carnot

The Pm is going to tear it up.

Also hear the Feds are looking to tear up the Darwin Port lease.
  NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
This is heartbreaking to watch this guy loose his business.  How many people are in this position?

  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
This is heartbreaking to watch this guy loose his business.  How many people are in this position?

NSWGR8022
I saw this on Twitter and felt dreadfully sorry for that bloke. And Dan Andrews wants another several months of stage four?

Also saw that George Donikian has slammed the behaviour of the Andrews government saying the Commonwealth needs to intervene - News.com.au:

The veteran news presenter fronted online video news website The Informer on Wednesday where he likened Premier Daniel Andrews’ leadership to a “modern-day Stalin”.

The video dropped moments after Mr Andrews defended his proposal to introduce a bill to parliament where the state of emergency in Victoria could be extended until at least September next year in four-week increments.

The current state of emergency expires on September 13, 2020.

“He will have in his hands, the mechanism of control to shut down Victoria whenever he likes or extend stage four lockdown indefinitely and destroy Victoria and Victorians lives further,” Mr Donikian said.

“Victoria’s deep dark hole is about to get deeper. Victoria is cut off from the rest of the country. And while the rest of the country continues to emerge from their hiatus, we remain a leper colony.”

The 68-year-old, who has anchored programs on SBS, Channel 9 and Channel 10, said lives and livelihoods were being destroyed, and Victorians were dismayed at the lack of any COVID-19 recovery plan.

“The destruction of families and relationships because of domestic violence and the homelessness it is creating; the destruction of Victoria for our future generations; the pending economic disaster we now face; the dismantling of the sacrifice past generations of Victorians have made toward building Victoria – gone,” Mr Donikian said.

“As sad as the 400 plus lives COVID has taken, it is minuscule compared to lives lost to suicide because of the uncertainty and helplessness Victorians are facing and the psychological decimation it has created.

“Dan Andrews will have blood on his hands and a conscience that will bear the memories of those through his grab for power and total control that has caused their deaths.”

My sentiments exactly - how many people have committed suicide because they've lost businesses, livelihoods or because they can't see family or leave the house? Is there anyone actually counting that number and how does it compare to the number of people who have actually died from COVID19?
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

As sad as the 400 plus lives COVID has taken, it is minuscule compared to lives lost to suicide because of the uncertainty and helplessness Victorians are facing and the psychological decimation it has created.

One of the objectives of the lockdown was that it not become 4000. I must have missed it, when did George Donikian win his Nobel prize for medicine?

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