The new bi mode trains provide the option of electrifying to Bomaderry without having to make modifications to handle DD electric rolling stock to the tunnels or platforms. Order the extra short trains without the diesel motor and boost services to more then one an hour in off peak for this area.
They should order such trains for Wollongong and Newcastle suburban services, and also for Olympic Park services, these services do not need DD rolling stock - oh how I cringe when I see an 8 carriage Waratah on Lidcombe Platform 0 (and then also need to cram into a crowded 4 carriage Cumberland service the next day).
The ideal timetable would be: Central, Sydenham, Wolli, Sutherland, Thirroul, Wollongong, Dapto, Oak Flats, Kiama, not sure what the exact time saved would be but it's all incremental time savings, no one thing is going to save you half hour, but small incremental changes will, as what [b]@djf01[/b] has said.I don't know why, but the edit option in RP often don't come up so I'm just quoting Ethan below
It would also allow D-Sets to do what they are designed to do and have suburban stock run all stop shuttles between Kiama- Thirroul, and Port Kembla-Stanwell Park
If only that German example was used at Revesby station (awful interchange), back to Wollongong, Kiama is the best interchange for reasons mentioned, but running to the Wollongong dock platforms would improve connectivity from Bomaderry.
Back in 2007 platforms were extended at Wickham and Civic, how much have DAA regulations changed since then? I know the platform at Adamstown was extended not long after lifts were installed, but I'm not sure if the two are related moves (no 10 carriage train should be stopping at Adamstown to begin with, it should be served by small suburban stock).
It would be more ideal if DAA regulations required an accessible station ever x km's as opposed to requiring every station to be accessible, they should know that a station without lifts is better than no station at all, this is probably the reason newer suburban lines are built with stations miles apart (with never enough parking) since stations are so expensive to build.
I doubt there would be any need to bypass stations, the stations were still served by the old alignment, although possible some in slightly different locations, most notable Stanwell Park which I heard use to be where Lawrence Hargrave Drive runs now.
Having the station located here again would probably increase patronage when combined with increased service frequency since the station would be more easily accessed compared to it's current location at the top of the hill.
Why do we need a express to a small number of people? Express to the Gong, I understand, but from there on all stopper
The best thing to do with the Wollongong dock platforms is to fill them in so we stop feeling the need to use what is a very awkward arrangement. Revesby is far superior to Wollongong. Undadarra (barely), Dapto or Kiama are far superior connection stations.
I agree not every regional station should be DAA.
If a new direct tunnel is built the existing line stations nth of Stanwell Park apart from Helenburgh will be demolished as not required and impractical to service. Helenburgh is a short drive from most of their communities as the line tend to do a loop around them. You don't run trains that combined barely fill a bus with the daily traffic. Currently the line goes that way, so why not. If the line is diverted, no!
There is more to life than Sydney, but OP line has a single platform terminus.
Munich runs 15min timetable to their airport on single track for last 5-10km. Brisbane is similar and the Sunshine coast line is also single track for much of the way. Then we have Melbourne.
All four of Sydney's interurban lines need major upgraded and modernisation of alignment. The South Coast line is by far the worst but ironically has huge potential for population growth and cheap housing and isn't that far from Sydney Central. Hence with an average speed of I think around 50km/h, I would start here and use as a test case of what benefits could be realised by a $3-4B investment over 3-4 years.
- Build the tunnel as discussed, yes it can be single track apart from Helensburgh station.
- Leave the existing line, also fix up some other issues nth of Wollongong station to get faster running.
- Consider duplication to Dapto.
- Quad sections in the suburban area to increase capacity nth of Sutherland.
Leave everything south of Dapto as is apart from already announced upgrades.
What were timetables like in the South Coast before, I have childhood memories of catching a V-Set from Corrimal to Kiama and return, obviously this is not possible anymore as there are almost no direct trains between those two stations as the former is only served by suburban locals - was this train I remember catching a local service which just happened to be a V-set? that's not impossible since I saw an old video of a V-set running a Newcastle suburban service (terminating in the old Toronto platform at Fassifern).
I have also seen pictures of suburban stock at Dapto and Kiama, was there once a separate express and local on the line? or did trains from Sydney never go to Kiama with that stretch of line only being served by local trains? or was someone crazy enough to run a suburban silver set from Sydney to Kiama?
I briefly mentioned Revesby because it's the station that could do with a single track dual platform terminus in the middle, weekday timetables make it irrelevant with a ridiculous 12 minute transfer time, weekend timetables give a 0 minute transfer time, that's fine going from platform 1 to 2 or 3 to 4, not so much if going from 1 to 3 or 4 to 2 - all this leads to an awful interchange.
Although the single platform would only work if they could figure out a way to not use two tracks at a time when terminating trains.
Not even every suburban station needs
to be DAA, although they should
be, if it comes down to liftless station vs no station, the same principle applies, I suspect part of the reason why stations are so far apart on the North and South west rail links (with a flawed focus on park and ride instead of walkablity) is because stations cost so much to build).
Most of the stations on the South Coast line may have even been built originally as suburban stations, but due to Sydney-centric transportation, they are classified as regional or intercity stations.
Regarding stations north of Stanwell Park, Stanwell Park itself would be rebuilt in it's original location since it's justifiable, Ottford you couldn't justify serving on a new alignment but I think it's actually on the old alignment so closure is not necessary, and Helensburgh would once again be rebuilt in it's original location - so probably no station closures necessary unless the new alignment branches off before Coalcliff.
There might not be a Sydney labour market post COVID.
I would not be surprised that most on-site work ends up in large self-contained business parks, accessible only by road. In which case, commuter railways will become an anachronism, and we might as well be arguing about updating the port facilities for the Sydney-Wollongong passenger steamship.
Don't get me wrong, the idea appals me, but ATM it looks like the best thing that could be done is to build a freeway from Bulli to Campbelltown & the new airport.
I doubt that will happen, the Spanish Flu never caused anything like that, if anything there will be a greater demand for public transport as people will have less money and all of a sudden one family owning 4 to 5 cars will no longer be practical.
By legislation, yes. By need, not necessarily. Millions of dollars "in case" it is required.Wrong. Wheelchair uses are people as well. I'm sick and tired of hearing this argument about not needing it. Of course it needs it and disabled have a right to go to every station able bodied people can go. So get over it and stop talking about hindering the development of disabled access.
This is one area that none of you on here can come close to my experience on. My whole life I have had to deal with access for my father and uncles who are disabled. Not only that with my own back problems I would prefer to have a lift then a set of stairs to use. It is also so much easier for mothers with prams.
Every station needs a lift. There ain't no if's or buts.
I agree every station needs a lift, I have a grandmother in a wheelchair who is also unable to get in and out of cars, I myself have carried many crazy things on trains and buses prior to getting my licence, and there have been times I have been exhausted and grunted climbing the stairs,
BUT when it comes down to choosing between a station with no lift, or no station at all, what do you choose?
People who don't/can't drive are also people too, and I suspect (although happy to be proven wrong) that new stations requiring lifts by law is partially the reason that stations on newer lines are built so far apart with a focus on park and ride, completely screwing over people who don't/can't drive and half defeating the purpose of public transport (since a car is a pre-requisite to using it) and even screwing over people who do drive but start work at 9:00pm or later when the station car park is completely full.
Sure one can catch a bus to station, but that doubles travel time, and may not even be an option depending on the time someone needs to travel.