Brighton beach platform 1

 
  bencdw2 Station Staff

Does anyone know why the unused back platform (number one) at BBH is fenced off to both trains and customers? I am aware its unused and doesn't have much purpose these days but wouldn't it be better to allow trains to use it just in case of emergency (ie if there was an accident and trains needed to terminate there).

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  route14 Chief Commissioner

I believe it's involved in some refurbishment or maintenance project and they wouldn't want the stabled train vandalized.
  TrackRailroad Train Controller

Location: Frankston Line
I believe I read on this forum sometime ago that Platform 1 was out of use and not commissioned for stabling of metro trains. I do think it should be reinstated (if that is the case) as it can be used to stable trains in the event of any disruption and could allow short services from Brighton Beach in peak periods for example, if ever required. This would give Metro greater flexibility over operations.
  bencdw2 Station Staff

Yes I totally agree with TrackRailroad, it should be reinstated (even if only occasionally used eg emergencies). Perhaps in 2025 when the Glenhuntly level crossings are going to be removed (which they should have been done back when North, McKinnon and Centre roads were removed in 2016), they may need to run more short starters from BBH. And also to boost frequency in the peak hour instead of building platform 2 at Sandringham
In terms of vandalism protection as mentioned by route14, very valid point but wouldn't it be better to put the fence between the platform one road and the sidings rather than the whole area? Just a thought. And stabling doesn't usually take on the platform does it - I thought its only sidings but maybe I'm wrong?
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Here is Vicsig's description of the Sandringham line: "The line operates as a suburban electric service in both directions, with all services stopping all stations. A limited number of empty car movements operate, as well as transfers of units being modified at Brighton Beach."  So modification works did occur at Brighton Beach sometime in the past, and I assume the fences were put in during that time.  I haven't had a look at the fences personally so I can't really comment on their layout.
  bencdw2 Station Staff

Here is Vicsig's description of the Sandringham line: "The line operates as a suburban electric service in both directions, with all services stopping all stations. A limited number of empty car movements operate, as well as transfers of units being modified at Brighton Beach."  So modification works did occur at Brighton Beach sometime in the past, and I assume the fences were put in during that time.  I haven't had a look at the fences personally so I can't really comment on their layout.
route14
Ah that rings a bell it would have probably been for VICERS (vigilance controller I think, I was too young to remember when it was going) many years ago, I saw it on vicsig but I wasn't sure if it was up to date. I can see why the platform would have been included in the fencing because they would have needed it for the works and maybe they decided after the works had finished to keep the existing fencing, considering that the back platform (to them) isn't necessary and is more cost effective to close it. IMO they should either convert it to a stabling road or use it to terminate trains when needed.
  mike49 Locomotive Fireman

Platform 1 was fenced off while work was being done on trains for the VICERS project. As far I am aware the platform is too short for 6 car trains so there was probably no point in removing the fence & reinstating it once the project was completed. The two trains that stable at Brighton Beach overnight run empty to Middle Brighton & start in service from there.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

This sounds a bit bureaucratic.  It's about starting a service with an empty train, not terminating one.  The train stabled in the road without platform can continue to operate the way it does, but surely the one on the platform can open the doors to allow passengers to board without having to worry about passengers falling off through overhanging doors.  The six-car VLocities regularly terminate at Bairnsdale but only the east-most four cars are on the platform, and there hasn't been a problem.
  TrackRailroad Train Controller

Location: Frankston Line
Platform 1 was fenced off while work was being done on trains for the VICERS project. As far I am aware the platform is too short for 6 car trains so there was probably no point in removing the fence & reinstating it once the project was completed. The two trains that stable at Brighton Beach overnight run empty to Middle Brighton & start in service from there.
mike49
Would it be worth extending Platform 1 to fit a six carriage train so it can be reinstated for short services? If not, (as I think the station is heritage listed, creating more difficulties), surely passengers can be advised at stations up the line that for Brighton Beach to just board the relevant carriages at each station, don't think this is an issue for just one station, especially one that is not particularly busy.

I know this is done in London, where announcements tell passengers for stations x or y board the first 4 cars or 6 cars only due to short platforms, though you can walk between all the carriages on most of their trains, and when I was travelling in London it was never an issue from what I saw.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Platform 1 is longer than 140 m. (See VicSig photo below.) At the moment, trains are only stabled in the two sidings. Even if Platform 1 was available, it is easier to depart empty from the sidings to Middle Brighton and start the service (6.31 am & 6.55 am weekdays) from there. To depart from Platform 1 involves shunting onto the Up line, then reversing (Signal BBH912) into Platform 1. There is a lighted walkway beside the track to the north of the Were Street bridge to accommodate this. Presumably there are empty car movements from Sandringham to Brighton Beach sometime in the evening to balance the morning departures.

The platform and sidings tracks were re-laid in 2010. See photos in VicSig Infrastructure Location page. There was speculation that Platform 1 is not used because of a café at the station.

Courtesy of VicSig:
https://vicsig.net/infrastructure/location/Brighton-Beach

https://vicsig.net/suburban/comeng/20040722-bbh-302mtm-439mtm-3.jpg
Photo caption reads:
Workers strip the M>Train livery on 1070T as Comeng train 440M-1070T-439M-301M-1001T-302M sits in the back platform at Brighton Beach
Thursday, 22nd July 2004
Photo: Chris Gordon
  Lockie91 Chief Train Controller

I believe that Metro deemed it too difficult and not worth terminating services there, even during disruptions as Sandringham is two stations away. There is a cross over at Elsternwick which essentially splits the line in half.

Stabling at Brighton Beach is historical, owing that the line to Sandringham was not constructed for another 26 years. Brighton Beach 1861, Sandringham 1887.

Lockie
  bencdw2 Station Staff

Regarding the trains in the stabling yard I'm not talking about starting them at brighton beach it would be far too much mucking about for a relatively low patronage station, they should simply continue empty cars to Middle Brighton like they currently do, and the empty movements to they yard from Sandringham should remain empty (the driver needs to use the swap path to access the yard). All I am talking about is allowing platform 1 to be used in case at some point they want to terminate trains there such as an emergency or running short start services (or perhaps steam shuttles). It would be like Essendon's platform 1, rarely used but useful as a turn back when necessary such as the steam shuttles or in the future they may run more short starter services. I am aware of Elsternwick as a termination location for disruptions but it wouldn't be viable to start short services from there though, and a bonus of BBH plat 1 is it gives a secondary turn back location (and in theory also operate as a stabling road like Werribee's plat 1). Trains in theory could terminate in 3 at BBH but it shouldn't be done as there is no signal back to FSS. In regard to the cafe comment honestly that can't be a reason to fence an entire platform off, as the customers could simply access it via platform 2 and walk to platform one or it can be accessed via the stairs coming from the footbridge (BBH is not my local but I have seen the layout before). I did some research and apparently the signal to the platform is out of service but if/when the line is resignalled it should allow platform 1's reopening. Additionally I can't see the cost of re-configuring the fencing and cost of opening platform 1 to be a huge amount of money (certainly less than building platform 2 at Sandringham)
Pure speculation but if South Road was to ever be grade separated, I assume the station would be rebuilt as a 2 platform only station.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

You do have a valid point of availing it as an emergency terminating location, but the possibility of needing it would just be the same as any other parts of the network, and it doesn't justify for a crossover at every station.  With the peak frequency of 8 minutes a two-tier service won't be needed in the near future.  Express services also aren't really useful without overtaking provisions.  Say you had an up Sandringham express departing BBH 2 minutes ahead of a BBH short start SAS, it would only gain 4 minutes before catching up with the previous SAS, envisaging that 2 minute is the shortest possible headway.  4 minutes doesn't really mean much for passengers.
  bencdw2 Station Staff

You do have a valid point of availing it as an emergency terminating location, but the possibility of needing it would just be the same as any other parts of the network, and it doesn't justify for a crossover at every station.  With the peak frequency of 8 minutes a two-tier service won't be needed in the near future.  Express services also aren't really useful without overtaking provisions.  Say you had an up Sandringham express departing BBH 2 minutes ahead of a BBH short start SAS, it would only gain 4 minutes before catching up with the previous SAS, envisaging that 2 minute is the shortest possible headway.  4 minutes doesn't really mean much for passengers.
route14
I must say its impressive that the frequency of 8 minutes can be maintained with only one platform at sandringham! I didn't advocate for express services on the sandringham line it seems pointless (I remember hearing of BBH plat 1 last regular use in the 70's when there was a swing door service, but these days all trains run through). To me it seems a waste that the platform sits there idle but as you say there is very little need for it (totally agree with you there would be zero point building crossovers at every station, its just the infrastructure exists at BBH that's all). Also what's more wasteful is the tracks for that road are only 10 years old (relaid 2010) and have never been used once since that date (to my knowledge). The last train to "officially" use it (not counting VICERS which saw the closure of it) would likely be when they removed the Mtrain livery or (from what i hear from old forums) when there was a disruption at Hampton many years ago.
So the takeaway from all these forum posts is the main reason it is not used is it serves no purpose and not worth the cost to reopen it.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

The patronage at some small stations probably doesn't justify both tiers to be SAS, i.e. combined frequency of 4 minutes inside of BBH.  The full trip services probably won't be able to run to an 8 minute frequency if you have trains keep crossing the up main.  If there is planned disruption beyond BBH I assume there is enough time to remove the fences.  Also with the line out of use beyond, the main line won't "act" as a main line so there would be no problem shunting on the otherwise "main" line.

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