Question on Blue Mountains Line Upgrade to allow for new trains

 
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
QUOTE:The State seat of Bathurst that includes Lithgow seems to be safe national territory, so I wonder why the government even cares about services to Lithgow? QUOTE.
Lithgow is still a contentious Seat for both State and Federal with a very long Labor History and the Seat could change 'tomorrow'.
I believe its utterly ridiculous to think that this new rolling stock was  ordered without knowing what sizes were what!!
When the Blue Mountains was Electrified 60 years ago, the Tunnels were skinned and many adjustments made to line side infrastructure to allow both the 46 class and the Single Deck Interurban's to run.
This had to be done again with the introduction of the Indian Pacific and the opening of the Standard Gauge to Perth via Parkes and Broken Hill.
As an aside, had the line NOT been upgraded but sent via Melbourne to Adelaide to Perth, would we still have a line west of Mt Victoria or Lithgow?

I still feel strongly that given the slightest chance, all Interurban Electric Passenger services would terminate at Mt Victoria and all the Bus' servicing all but the Broken Hill Line would commence from Mt Victoria despite what has been spent at the New Station.

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  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I still feel strongly that given the slightest chance, all Interurban Electric Passenger services would terminate at Mt Victoria and all the Bus' servicing all but the Broken Hill Line would commence from Mt Victoria despite what has been spent at the New Station.
gordon_s1942

I slightly disagree with this. I believe that interurban electric double deck passenger services could be terminated at Mt Victoria and that the new regional fleet could be of an diesel electric hybrid design with a panto and could provide services to Lithgow and beyond.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Personally, I think they knew full well that ordering the NIF to be 'medium width' suburban profile was going to cause problems in the far west. It wasn't a screw-up, it was a coldly calculated.

The last two types of trains ordered for 'Interurban' use have been the suburban medium profile. The north and south lines have already been cleared for this rolling stock and the west to Springwood. It was sort of a given that new trains would continue to be this 'standard' profile.

My guess is that the planners were quietly hoping to cut the electric services back to Mount Victoria. Structure gauge enhancement work would have been needed west of Springwood, but they probably could have quietly hidden that in other general works programs like they did for the north and south.

However, as the delivery time of the new trains approach, the government has gone cold on the idea of cutting electric services back to Mt Vic making the 10 tunnels at Zig Zag into a major headache.

The state seat of Bathurst that includes Lithgow seems to be safe national territory, so I wonder why the government even cares about services to Lithgow?
Matthew
Mostly agree.

Not sure if the LNP had ever throw around the idea of closing the O/H west of Mt Vic, but provided it was replaced with increased DMU's I sort of agree with this as the likely future is the Dubbo daily XPT being duplicated daily with the new stock and non-booked seats being on offer.

The alt is single tracking which considering the traffic volume would also work, but likely costs more than what they are doing.

Also just because its safe seat doesn't mean you go pi$$ in their pockets and govt cannot afford another electrol backlash.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I still feel strongly that given the slightest chance, all Interurban Electric Passenger services would terminate at Mt Victoria and all the Bus' servicing all but the Broken Hill Line would commence from Mt Victoria despite what has been spent at the New Station.

I slightly disagree with this. I believe that interurban electric double deck passenger services could be terminated at Mt Victoria and that the new regional fleet could be of an diesel electric hybrid design with a panto and could provide services to Lithgow and beyond.
simstrain
Agree,

Gordon, if nothing else the current LNP has clearly demonstrated that permanent busitution is NOT on their agenda. I know for some (not saying you) die hard ALP fans who pray every night that the NSW govt will announce removal of passenger services and hence this concept is proving hard to accept, but in 7 years the NSW LNP has clearly demonstrated its commitment to passenger rail.

They have only closed the Newcastle line which was going to happen anyway regardless of who won in 2011, but replaced it with rail which unlikely wouldn't have happened if ALP won.

If it was me,
- I would have terminated the sparks at Mt Vic,

- built a new yard at Mt Vic and rebuilt the Mt Vic station with a Dock platform allowing cross platform change

- run DMU to Lithgow and Bathurst on an increased frequency aka South Coast Line
run the Blue Mountains Line as two tiered, St Mary's all to Springwood and express to Springwood and all to Mt Vic.

- Increased Dubbo XPT to 2 x per day with new trains with an early morning departure from Dubbo to replace the Bathurst Bullet (same timetable from Bathurst, but starting at Dubbo and same return in evening continuing to Dubbo, plus existing timetabled XPT)
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Announcements the changes to accommodate the new trains have been completed.
  Totoro Locomotive Driver

Seems like these upgrades happened impressively fast. Smile Not sure if that was always the plan, or if COVID allowed the timetable to be accelerated. Either way, can’t wait to ride on one of the NIF trains, they look great.
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller

Seems like these upgrades happened impressively fast. Smile Not sure if that was always the plan,
Totoro


tunnel works where planned ... but the bushfires, land slide, etc .. really fast tracked the works ..
  ANR Chief Commissioner

Where does the guard sit on these new NFI trains? On the train driver's lap?

A woman was spat at by another woman going through a carriage earlier in the week/last week. It was an unprovoked attack.

The perpetrator allegedly alighted at Katoomba but disappeared into the darkness. Supposedly, the v-set had a guard. Imagine what could happen when there is no guard.

NFI trains. Coming soon!
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Where does the guard sit on these new NFI trains? On the train driver's lap?

A woman was spat at by another woman going through a carriage earlier in the week/last week. It was an unprovoked attack.

The perpetrator allegedly alighted at Katoomba but disappeared into the darkness. Supposedly, the v-set had a guard. Imagine what could happen when there is no guard.

NFI trains. Coming soon!
ANR

The guards aren't to interact in this area as they aren't police/security. With or without a guard nothing different would have happened. In the new trains the woman could have used a help point and police would have been waiting for the perpetrator.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

If the police can arrive at the next station before the train does.  In Shanghai there are assistant police at every metro station with "grid police" at selected stations so they can attend the train at its next station.  If the next station is only staffed with police assistant h/she together with the station's security guard would attend the train to remove those involved, and take them to the station's police station.  The "grid police" then travels by metro train to attend them and deal with the incident.
  ANR Chief Commissioner
  Airvan99 Junior Train Controller

First the tracks and tunnels were too narrow and now this....

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-24/nsw-transport-minister-defends-sydney-ferry-purchase/12588762
ANR
A beat up as usual, the existing ferries have the same problem.
Imagine my disappointment as I boarded a ferry at Parramatta on a nice day and seeing the barrier across the steps to the upper deck “ marked staff only” I soon realized the reason after passing under two low bridges and a crew member removed the barrier and I proceeded upstairs.
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller

First the tracks and tunnels were too narrow and now this....

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-24/nsw-transport-minister-defends-sydney-ferry-purchase/12588762
A beat up as usual, the existing ferries have the same problem.
Imagine my disappointment as I boarded a ferry at Parramatta on a nice day and seeing the barrier across the steps to the upper deck “ marked staff only” I soon realized the reason after passing under two low bridges and a crew member removed the barrier and I proceeded upstairs.
Airvan99

you can only catch a Parramatta ferry on a nice day .. rest of the time its bus or train ...

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