Daniel Andrews Imploding Act

 
  brownhillboy Train Controller

Jeff Kennett's description of Daniel Andrew as a megalomaniac is close to the mark and Andrews seems to get more smug at every press conference. You have to hand it to Premier Dan, he is exceedingly good at sticking rigidly to his own thought line, deflecting every difficult question. It seems that the sole answer to Victoria's looming catastrophe is "get tested". Brett Sutton, even though he is highly qualified and knowledgeable in his profession, seems to be getting more smug everyday a he rides the crest of his incredible power. Two people largely control 6 million.

In my political studies, we looked at how supression of a population inevitably leads to civil disobedience, rioting etc. We are on the brink of this now in some parts of Melbourne, and harsh police action will add fuel to the flames in the hearts of those who feel that their position is helpless.

And now we have Andrew Crisp sidestepping questions at the Hotel Inquiry, which infers to the general public that no minister was responsible. Daniels Andrews had earlier admitted overall responsibility as the Premier, which effectively stifled debate about the inefficiency of his Ministers. Calling out and sacking the responsible Minister will release a pressure valve for those who have had enough, but the euphoria will not last long.

So where does Victoria go from here, with elections 2 years away, and no effective political alternative anyway?

Some people will get jobs as the Victorian Government goes into an insane debt level to create employment. The Premier will gloat about this. He will eventually walk away from politics, in his own mind thinking what a great leader he was.

Hundreds of thousands will do it very hard for a long, long time. Mortgage stress, homelessness, depression, suicide, family violence will be almost out of control.

Do you think I am exaggerating? Just look at where the world is heading now and try and think of a way forward.

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  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
The apparent "increase in suicides" is fake, the idea is touted supported by right wing types who think Dan Andrews is a dictator but have never experienced actual dictators.



Victoria is also the odd one out with the "state of emergency" powers, by virtue of having actual limits on how long it can go. Other states can go indefinitely. We've also had the state of emergency enacted since the bushfires.

Also, at the current trending rates stage 4 restrictions will be ending when they said they would.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
And now we have Andrew Crisp sidestepping questions at the Hotel Inquiry, which infers to the general public that no minister was responsible."
brownhillboy
It does not. Go and look up the meaning of "infer". It may well imply something, from which you may infer a meaning or conclusion.

And; "political studies" eh? You're full of criticism; just tell us how you would have handled the pandemic if (God forbid), you were Premier. And, while we're here, what does Andrew Crisp have to do with putting the finger on an allegedly guilty minister?
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Amazing how the RWNJ's are worried about suicide rates when it's a Labor governments' actions that are in question, yet they're silent when the effects of Robodebt etc. were revealed.

They only care about it when it suits them.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Personal opinion - I suspect that many have discovered they have built resilience in the face of adversity.  Mental health has definitely taken a hit for many people, but I've been encouraged to see more people looking out for each other lately.

The real challenge will be post-Covid when job losses and business collapses mount up in the economic carnage.  It'll put enormous pressure on many people, and thus continuing to support each other as best we can can't stop...
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Amazing how the RWNJ's are worried about suicide rates when it's a Labor governments' actions that are in question, yet they're silent when the effects of Robodebt etc. were revealed.

They only care about it when it suits them.
Greensleeves
Caught a grab of 9 news/Today show this morning.

Dan Andrews wants to extend stage 4 lockdown for a further 12 months.
Not the truth, option for 12 months in blocks. The media has much to answer for.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
On the question of suicides, the Victorian coroner has released the suicide figures for this year to date, and they are no higher than normal. (Seven News).
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
The whole "he's extending stage 4 for 12 months" was a beat up by the mobs who'd be absolutely smashed in a state election were it held today.

The intent (for those who actually read and understood FFS what he actually said, or words to the effect) was essentially for the provisions of the declaration to allow for mandatory wearing of masks / social distancing /  who's businesses are closed etc to be provided for for another 12 months.
The cynic in me knew he'd need it for at least another 3 months, based on the justification of where we'd be with dialy figures following on the forecasts. I therefore believe he floated a 12 month extension of the emergency powers (knowing he'd get knocked down to 6- which is what he really wanted).
The ensuing media beat up just goes to show the number of idle minds in this Covid space, who've found a free moment to outraged by the latest fad news article. Said minds would probably be better off using their hours worth of daily exercise allowance/mental well being gainfully occupied in the local park picking up dog sh1t or litter.

Daily Covid cases need to be publicly shamed as being those who don't/wont comply with restrictions (except clearly the aged care/emergency service/legitimate inadvertent victims).
Even if that's party true, the message that should be peddled is that stage 4 is ONLY going to end when the figures substantiate 99.5% of the population doing what the F they are meant to be doing at any given time in this situation. Triple figures daily being the point in case to that.

To be honest, if the numbers come down, peoples reactions may simply be that they can start to relax their mindset/compliance on this. How many people have sub consciously decided that on the 6 week end date of stage 4, - its Covid i don't give a smeg anymore? How many are thinking  - I've done my 6 weeks, now get stuffed Dan??

As Jim Jefferies would say. "That's not how a society works. We have to tailor ourselves to the 1%, that are such Fwits, that they ruin it all for the rest of us!"

In this instance, plenty have done the honest compliant thing in the last 6 weeks. All the while, those good efforts have been in vein as they've been white anted by the non compliant Karen type Ftards (that should be stacked 10 high at the tip), and any number of other idiots being fined daily for non compliance et all.

We shall see.

Regards
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The whole "he's extending stage 4 for 12 months" was a beat up by the mobs who'd be absolutely smashed in a state election were it held today.

The intent (for those who actually read and understood FFS what he actually said, or words to the effect) was essentially for the provisions of the declaration to allow for mandatory wearing of masks / social distancing /  who's businesses are closed etc to be provided for for another 12 months.
The cynic in me knew he'd need it for at least another 3 months, based on the justification of where we'd be with dialy figures following on the forecasts. I therefore believe he floated a 12 month extension of the emergency powers (knowing he'd get knocked down to 6- which is what he really wanted).
The ensuing media beat up just goes to show the number of idle minds in this Covid space, who've found a free moment to outraged by the latest fad news article. Said minds would probably be better off using their hours worth of daily exercise allowance/mental well being gainfully occupied in the local park picking up dog sh1t or litter.

Daily Covid cases need to be publicly shamed as being those who don't/wont comply with restrictions (except clearly the aged care/emergency service/legitimate inadvertent victims).
Even if that's party true, the message that should be peddled is that stage 4 is ONLY going to end when the figures substantiate 99.5% of the population doing what the F they are meant to be doing at any given time in this situation. Triple figures daily being the point in case to that.

To be honest, if the numbers come down, peoples reactions may simply be that they can start to relax their mindset/compliance on this. How many people have sub consciously decided that on the 6 week end date of stage 4, - its Covid i don't give a smeg anymore? How many are thinking  - I've done my 6 weeks, now get stuffed Dan??

As Jim Jefferies would say. "That's not how a society works. We have to tailor ourselves to the 1%, that are such Fwits, that they ruin it all for the rest of us!"

In this instance, plenty have done the honest compliant thing in the last 6 weeks. All the while, those good efforts have been in vein as they've been white anted by the non compliant Karen type Ftards (that should be stacked 10 high at the tip), and any number of other idiots being fined daily for non compliance et all.

We shall see.

Regards
davesvline
As always with these political threads your personal bent plays a role in how you see things (and the same goes for many of us)

Much of Victoria's 2nd wave has been a result of people going to work when they shouldn't have and the resultant outbreaks in workplaces being taken back home to be spread to family and friends.

A case in point. Is this guy one of your "Karens"?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-24/victorian-hotel-inquiry-hears-guards-told-to-re-use-old-ppe/12588512


"He went to a hospital for a COVID-19 test and was told to stay home while the results were being processed. But after feeling "a bit better", Security 16 dropped off three or four orders for a food delivery company"

"Security 16 received a call from the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) the next day confirming his positive test result. He experienced a fever, throat and chest pains and a cough for the next two weeks. In early June, Security 16 said the department told him he was free to leave his home if his symptoms eased. He completed more food deliveries, but was then struck down with more symptoms and needed to be hospitalised. Security 16 said he tested positive for a second time, but was allowed out "because it had been 14 days since my first positive test". "That week, I worked at my regular job at the warehouse. As far as I know, nobody at the warehouse contracted COVID-19," he said"

I fully agree with what you said about public shaming. People like the person above should be named and shamed. And charged with an offence that carries a penalty harsh enough to give them some time alone to think about their actions and the consequences that they have for the rest of us.

But that ain't gonna happen.......
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

We all just have to look after ourselves that's the way forward
I had planned to be train travelling NSW and QLD now my overland trip would of been done done and dusted and I am totally p I s s e d that I won't be travelling for a few more years and some

Stage Doyle... at home
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
We all just have to look after ourselves that's the way forward
I had planned to be train travelling NSW and QLD now my overland trip would of been done done and dusted and I am totally p I s s e d that I won't be travelling for a few more years and some

Stage Doyle... at home
doyle
Unfortunately there are a fark load of people out there who are only interested in looking after themselves and that is why we went backwards.
I have met more than a few of them along my covid trip and I am totally p I s s e d that they don't give a smeg if we have covid for a few more years to come

Stage Brenton... working (from home) to survive
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

On a extremely rare trip out at the shop
Today after doctors appointment, bird stone thing, a very elderly lady started talking to me for about 30 minutes, was living alone extremely lonely her daily routine was to go to the shops every day to find someone to talk with
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
As sad as the 400 plus lives COVID has taken, it is minuscule compared to lives lost to suicide because of the uncertainty and helplessness Victorians are facing and the psychological decimation it has created.

One of the objectives of the lockdown was that it not become 4000. I must have missed it, when did George Donikian win his Nobel prize for medicine?
kitchgp
What, he's not allowed to have an opinion?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
What, he's not allowed to have an opinion?
"don_dunstan"
Sure he is; so is everyone else. The thing we have here is that George Donikian is well known from being a (ahem) "TV Celebrity" so his views get more prominence than yours or mine. It's the same with that raving idiot Pete Evans who should be in a secure home somewhere.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
What, he's not allowed to have an opinion?
Sure he is; so is everyone else. The thing we have here is that George Donikian is well known from being a (ahem) "TV Celebrity" so his views get more prominence than yours or mine. It's the same with that raving idiot Pete Evans who should be in a secure home somewhere.
Valvegear
For the record I agree with BrownHillBoy - the police are going nuts. What about the dude who was threatened by the cops for taking his bin out at 8:30pm... The people in Dandenong who were peacefully protesting and were arrested for that? If you watch the footage those men were doing nothing wrong and next thing the police start randomly arresting them and spraying bystanders with capsicum spray.

And you have people on this board agreeing with Dictator Dan saying he's doing a great job? Please. You people would have been welcoming Hitler's calming influence and strict imposition of law and order on German society.
  Gayspie Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
On a extremely rare trip out at the shop
Today after doctors appointment, bird stone thing, a very elderly lady started talking to me for about 30 minutes, was living alone extremely lonely her daily routine was to go to the shops every day to find someone to talk with
doyle
I had the same thing happen to me a few years ago at the shops and i just told the old lady to be quiet and go away as i was not interested in the conversation and i did not have enough time to talk with her. She politely and directly respected my wishes.
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bored at home
What, he's not allowed to have an opinion?
Sure he is; so is everyone else. The thing we have here is that George Donikian is well known from being a (ahem) "TV Celebrity" so his views get more prominence than yours or mine. It's the same with that raving idiot Pete Evans who should be in a secure home somewhere.
For the record I agree with BrownHillBoy - the police are going nuts. What about the dude who was threatened by the cops for taking his bin out at 8:30pm... The people in Dandenong who were peacefully protesting and were arrested for that? If you watch the footage those men were doing nothing wrong and next thing the police start randomly arresting them and spraying bystanders with capsicum spray.

And you have people on this board agreeing with Dictator Dan saying he's doing a great job? Please. You people would have been welcoming Hitler's calming influence and strict imposition of law and order on German society.
don_dunstan
Nothing wrong ???  No mask, no distancing, more than 2.

The mob went out spoiling for a fight. Farcebook is full of their crap.

Coulda protected from spray by using a mask, but too stupid to do as asked.

And all this in a suburb that is about to explode as a hot-spot. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Tell you what Don, come back home and walk around free. Don't ask anyone else to make your hospital bed.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Nothing wrong ???  No mask, no distancing, more than 2.
justarider
Oh my GOD! Why didn't they roll out the paramilitaries and the ask the Commonwealth to send in the military? Perhaps precision-guided laser bombs would have been appropriate too given it was a gathering of more than two people.
The mob went out spoiling for a fight. Farcebook is full of their crap. Coulda protected from spray by using a mask, but too stupid to do as asked. And all this in a suburb that is about to explode as a hot-spot. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Tell you what Don, come back home and walk around free. Don't ask anyone else to make your hospital bed.
justarider
You mean a 99.9% non-deadly disease might break out again? Yeah that's an excuse to do whatever you like isn't it.

In the video I saw they were ALL wearing masks. There was footage of a bloke walking by himself down the footpath in a mask and a cop suddenly decides to arrest him and body-slams him to the ground.

Like I said, call the military in. Cluster bomb I reckon, they deserve it for their peaceful civil disobedience.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Verbatim from Nine News:-

A 76-year-old man has been charged over a planned protest in Melbourne, as police warn those inciting public gatherings to stop being "selfish".
Victoria Police Assistant Commissioner Luke Cornelius said the man from Windsor had been charged with inciting others to breach the Chief Health Officer's directions over a protest against Melbourne's lockdowns planned for September 5.
Mr Cornelius said police were poised to take further action after several members of the community marched in the streets of Melbourne during stage four restrictions under the guise of exercise.
He said the event was "selfish and foolish" considering the death toll in the state was nearing 500.
"No one has the human right to infect other people and to place the entire Victorian community at risk," Mr Cornelius said.
"We will be ready to take action.
"We're not idiots, and the rest of Victorians are not idiots."
He said pretending to exercise would not trick police and that any protester faced serious ramifications.
"Stop playing us and the wider community for fools," he said.
"Just for one moment stop thinking about yourselves."
Mr Cornelius said police have tried to sway organisers to cancel or postpone the protest, and warned social media was being monitored for further planning.
"The tin hat foil wearing brigade are alive and well out there," he said, labelling the conspiracy theories as "bats--- crazy nonsense".
He said protests in the suburb Dandenong over the past five days had wasted police resources.
"Those hundreds of police are taken from your local police stations," he said.
"That's why this behaviour is so selfish. It takes critical resources from local communities.
"Spare a thought for the loved ones of the nearly 500 Victorians who have died so far."
Numerous fines have been issued in Dandenong, and there have been multiple arrests, he said.
Mr Cornelius said normally police are willing to work with organisers of protests, but this plan was "utterly selfish".
"We'll be arresting them. Their feet won't touch the ground."
Victoria recorded 113 new COVID-19 cases overnight, and 12 people died.


As justarider has said, these idiots are deliberately breaking the law with no thought for anyone else. They have set out hell bent on confrontation, and they've got it. Don't run away with the idea that they have been conducting "peaceful protests".
It's overdue time they woke up to the fact that their responsibilities take precedence over their rights. Who believes that he has the right to infect anyone just because he doesn't want to take sensible, legally binding precautions?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Verbatim from Nine News:-

A 76-year-old man has been charged over a planned protest in Melbourne, as police warn those inciting public gatherings to stop being "selfish".
Victoria Police Assistant Commissioner Luke Cornelius said the man from Windsor had been charged with inciting others to breach the Chief Health Officer's directions over a protest against Melbourne's lockdowns planned for September 5.
Mr Cornelius said police were poised to take further action after several members of the community marched in the streets of Melbourne during stage four restrictions under the guise of exercise.
He said the event was "selfish and foolish" considering the death toll in the state was nearing 500.
"No one has the human right to infect other people and to place the entire Victorian community at risk," Mr Cornelius said.
"We will be ready to take action.
"We're not idiots, and the rest of Victorians are not idiots."
He said pretending to exercise would not trick police and that any protester faced serious ramifications.
"Stop playing us and the wider community for fools," he said.
"Just for one moment stop thinking about yourselves."
Mr Cornelius said police have tried to sway organisers to cancel or postpone the protest, and warned social media was being monitored for further planning.
"The tin hat foil wearing brigade are alive and well out there," he said, labelling the conspiracy theories as "bats--- crazy nonsense".
He said protests in the suburb Dandenong over the past five days had wasted police resources.
"Those hundreds of police are taken from your local police stations," he said.
"That's why this behaviour is so selfish. It takes critical resources from local communities.
"Spare a thought for the loved ones of the nearly 500 Victorians who have died so far."
Numerous fines have been issued in Dandenong, and there have been multiple arrests, he said.
Mr Cornelius said normally police are willing to work with organisers of protests, but this plan was "utterly selfish".
"We'll be arresting them. Their feet won't touch the ground."
Victoria recorded 113 new COVID-19 cases overnight, and 12 people died.


As justarider has said, these idiots are deliberately breaking the law with no thought for anyone else. They have set out hell bent on confrontation, and they've got it. Don't run away with the idea that they have been conducting "peaceful protests".
It's overdue time they woke up to the fact that their responsibilities take precedence over their rights. Who believes that he has the right to infect anyone just because he doesn't want to take sensible, legally binding precautions?
Valvegear
Number one - Dan Andrews has lied repeatedly to make the case for Stage Four. He initially said that one quarter of the people who were supposed to be self-isolating at home were not there when the police called. Then it turns out weeks after that announcement that in fact less than one percent of those people weren't at home when the police called.

He's also telling lies about the actual death toll - people who happen to die while they have COVID are counted as "COVID deaths" when in fact they're people who are either very geriatric or already extremely sick from some other illness. This is done in order to deliberately frighten people into doing what they want.

He lied. He lied to justify the harsh terms of the lock-down. Doesen't that trouble you in the least?

In the second place, the response of the police is not proportional to offense. You're accusing people of putting other lives at risk when the evidence that they're doing that simply isn't there, not when they're just walking down the street. How is people out after 'curfew' in Dandenong putting the lives of other people at risk - and why does that peaceful protest require a heavy-handed police response with capsicum spray and body-slamming people to the ground?
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Nothing wrong ???  No mask, no distancing, more than 2.
Oh my GOD! Why didn't they roll out the paramilitaries and the ask the Commonwealth to send in the military? Perhaps precision-guided laser bombs would have been appropriate too given it was a gathering of more than two people.
The mob went out spoiling for a fight. Farcebook is full of their crap. Coulda protected from spray by using a mask, but too stupid to do as asked. And all this in a suburb that is about to explode as a hot-spot. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Tell you what Don, come back home and walk around free. Don't ask anyone else to make your hospital bed.
You mean a 99.9% non-deadly disease might break out again? Yeah that's an excuse to do whatever you like isn't it.

In the video I saw they were ALL wearing masks. There was footage of a bloke walking by himself down the footpath in a mask and a cop suddenly decides to arrest him and body-slams him to the ground.

Like I said, call the military in. Cluster bomb I reckon, they deserve it for their peaceful civil disobedience.
don_dunstan
Not a 99.9 non deadly disease at all, I think it's more like 97-98% deadly, that's just what the WHO will tell you, if you look at the deaths rate on the WORLDOMETER website, current deaths is 836,517, (probably many more that we don't know about), that is equating to a 5% mortality figure at the moment.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Nothing wrong ???  No mask, no distancing, more than 2.
Oh my GOD! Why didn't they roll out the paramilitaries and the ask the Commonwealth to send in the military? Perhaps precision-guided laser bombs would have been appropriate too given it was a gathering of more than two people.
The mob went out spoiling for a fight. Farcebook is full of their crap. Coulda protected from spray by using a mask, but too stupid to do as asked. And all this in a suburb that is about to explode as a hot-spot. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Tell you what Don, come back home and walk around free. Don't ask anyone else to make your hospital bed.
You mean a 99.9% non-deadly disease might break out again? Yeah that's an excuse to do whatever you like isn't it.

In the video I saw they were ALL wearing masks. There was footage of a bloke walking by himself down the footpath in a mask and a cop suddenly decides to arrest him and body-slams him to the ground.

Like I said, call the military in. Cluster bomb I reckon, they deserve it for their peaceful civil disobedience.
Not a 99.9 non deadly disease at all, I think it's more like 97-98% deadly, that's just what the WHO will tell you, if you look at the deaths rate on the WORLDOMETER website, current deaths is 836,517, (probably many more that we don't know about), that is equating to a 5% mortality figure at the moment.
lsrailfan
If WHO told me the sky was blue I'd have to go outside and check. They were initially telling the United States and other nations not to shut their borders with China earlier this year.

It's a virus that almost exclusively kills people aged 80 or over who already have chronic illnesses, particularly here in Australia. Surely the thing to do would be to protect those people locking them down and let the rest of society get on with it?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Number one - Dan Andrews has lied repeatedly to make the case for Stage Four. He initially said that one quarter of the people who were supposed to be self-isolating at home were not there when the police called. Then it turns out weeks after that announcement that in fact less than one percent of those people weren't at home when the police called.

He's also telling lies about the actual death toll - people who happen to die while they have COVID are counted as "COVID deaths" when in fact they're people who are either very geriatric or already extremely sick from some other illness. This is done in order to deliberately frighten people into doing what they want.

He lied. He lied to justify the harsh terms of the lock-down. Doesen't that trouble you in the least?
"don_dunstan"
No; simply because I don't believe you. I do believe people like the Chief Health Officer and other medical specialists who are advising Andrews.

In the second place, the response of the police is not proportional to offense. You're accusing people of putting other lives at risk when the evidence that they're doing that simply isn't there, not when they're just walking down the street. How is people out after 'curfew' in Dandenong putting the lives of other people at risk - and why does that peaceful protest require a heavy-handed police response with capsicum spray and body-slamming people to the ground?
"don_dunstan"
First; these people don't care about putting other lives at risk by failing to comply with all of the required precautions; not just the curfew. Second; yes; the news showed a person being slammed down. The news showed you the truth and nothing but the truth, but it did not show you the whole truth. That person was placed under arrest for other charges. I have this from a reliable eye witness who lives near me, and was at the Dandenong affair in the course of duty. I am not going to name or identify my informant in any way, nor will I disclose the charges. I repeat what I said earlier; it was not a "peaceful protest".
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Number one - Dan Andrews has lied repeatedly to make the case for Stage Four. He initially said that one quarter of the people who were supposed to be self-isolating at home were not there when the police called. Then it turns out weeks after that announcement that in fact less than one percent of those people weren't at home when the police called.

He's also telling lies about the actual death toll - people who happen to die while they have COVID are counted as "COVID deaths" when in fact they're people who are either very geriatric or already extremely sick from some other illness. This is done in order to deliberately frighten people into doing what they want.

He lied. He lied to justify the harsh terms of the lock-down. Doesen't that trouble you in the least?
No; simply because I don't believe you. I do believe people like the Chief Health Officer and other medical specialists who are advising Andrews.

In the second place, the response of the police is not proportional to offense. You're accusing people of putting other lives at risk when the evidence that they're doing that simply isn't there, not when they're just walking down the street. How is people out after 'curfew' in Dandenong putting the lives of other people at risk - and why does that peaceful protest require a heavy-handed police response with capsicum spray and body-slamming people to the ground?
First; these people don't care about putting other lives at risk by failing to comply with all of the required precautions; not just the curfew. Second; yes; the news showed a person being slammed down. The news showed you the truth and nothing but the truth, but it did not show you the whole truth. That person was placed under arrest for other charges. I have this from a reliable eye witness who lives near me, and was at the Dandenong affair in the course of duty. I am not going to name or identify my informant in any way, nor will I disclose the charges. I repeat what I said earlier; it was not a "peaceful protest".
Valvegear
Valvegear, you're just terrified of the virus like Dictator Dan wants you to be. That's all.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Number one - Dan Andrews has lied repeatedly to make the case for Stage Four. He initially said that one quarter of the people who were supposed to be self-isolating at home were not there when the police called. Then it turns out weeks after that announcement that in fact less than one percent of those people weren't at home when the police called.

He's also telling lies about the actual death toll - people who happen to die while they have COVID are counted as "COVID deaths" when in fact they're people who are either very geriatric or already extremely sick from some other illness. This is done in order to deliberately frighten people into doing what they want.

He lied. He lied to justify the harsh terms of the lock-down. Doesen't that trouble you in the least?
No; simply because I don't believe you. I do believe people like the Chief Health Officer and other medical specialists who are advising Andrews.

In the second place, the response of the police is not proportional to offense. You're accusing people of putting other lives at risk when the evidence that they're doing that simply isn't there, not when they're just walking down the street. How is people out after 'curfew' in Dandenong putting the lives of other people at risk - and why does that peaceful protest require a heavy-handed police response with capsicum spray and body-slamming people to the ground?
First; these people don't care about putting other lives at risk by failing to comply with all of the required precautions; not just the curfew. Second; yes; the news showed a person being slammed down. The news showed you the truth and nothing but the truth, but it did not show you the whole truth. That person was placed under arrest for other charges. I have this from a reliable eye witness who lives near me, and was at the Dandenong affair in the course of duty. I am not going to name or identify my informant in any way, nor will I disclose the charges. I repeat what I said earlier; it was not a "peaceful protest".
Valvegear, you're just terrified of the virus like Dictator Dan wants you to be. That's all.
don_dunstan
Don, the reason why people can't "get on with their lives", as you put it, is because when there is a massive outbreak in community transmission, say in the 700's-800's, this can get into aged care homes very easily, so that is why lockdown measures are taken, it has been shown in other parts of the world to be the case as well. just to add I am not saying lockdown every time you get a small spike in cases, that would be ridiculous, but if you get above 200 for a few days in a row, of course you have to do something.

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