The corona virus COVID-19

 
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Not pretending to blow my own trumpet here because things can change, but if you look at NSW at the moment, they are running a Covid safe economy, sure there are outbreaks up here, but if you have a good contact tracing team in place, you should be able to deal with any small-medium scale outbreaks, NSW should be an exemplary model at the moment.
lsrailfan
I mostly agree.  They should shut gyms though, which seem to make repeat appearances in the outbreaks list.

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Gyms and joggers should be forced to wear masks at the very least. I don't know what it is about those frantically exercising (indoor or otherwise) that gives them the right to spread goodness knows what with impunity.

Early on, here in Victoria, one could not walk gently around a golf course or sit by a stream fishing (even whilst maintaining a social distance) nor did one have to wear a mask. Probably because we didn't have any! Now most of us are locked up 23 hours/day and, rightly, must wear a mask but if you are a jogger you are free to spread the virus as you wish without a mask.

Adolf Andrews is making it up as he goes along and anyone who believes that all of this is decided by the Chief Health Officer uninfluenced by the politicians will believe anything.

We, here in Mexico, need to remember one fundamental rule:

If it's done in NSW we must do the opposite - the 'break of gauge' mentality is alive and well.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Yep, we're living in a police state:


A step too far I reckon.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Just noting here that on the WORLDOMETER webpage, the mortality figure has dropped back to 4% from 5%, whether this is an indication of the virus slowing down or not I have no idea, I suspect it may well bounce around a bit as the deaths increase/decrease over the months.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Just noting here that on the WORLDOMETER webpage, the mortality figure has dropped back to 4% from 5%, whether this is an indication of the virus slowing down or not I have no idea, I suspect it may well bounce around a bit as the deaths increase/decrease over the months.
lsrailfan
More testing is a big factor.  Another one is that the disease has developed to be less deadly but more contagious.  Makes sense because a virus that just kills its host (and thus itself) is less likely to spread...
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Just noting here that on the WORLDOMETER webpage, the mortality figure has dropped back to 4% from 5%, whether this is an indication of the virus slowing down or not I have no idea, I suspect it may well bounce around a bit as the deaths increase/decrease over the months.
More testing is a big factor.  Another one is that the disease has developed to be less deadly but more contagious.  Makes sense because a virus that just kills its host (and thus itself) is less likely to spread...
Carnot

So, could that figure that I mentioned jump back up again in the future? if the virus is becoming more contagious?
  NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
When this covid stuff all started the government said it wanted to flatten the curve now it really seems the government (at least in Victoria but probably everywhere) wants to eradicate the virus which is not flattening the curve it is removing the curve.  Scope creep is alive and well and the cost of changing to this has caused a recession.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
When this covid stuff all started the government said it wanted to flatten the curve now it really seems the government (at least in Victoria but probably everywhere) wants to eradicate the virus which is not flattening the curve it is removing the curve.  Scope creep is alive and well and the cost of changing to this has caused a recession.
NSWGR8022
Western Australia has openly admitted they will not reopen their borders until the eastern states have eliminated community transmission. Their experts in the Palmer #4 trial said that elimination is defined as "2 cycles of no community transmission of unknown sources, or 28 days".

Does anyone really think NSW can go 28 days like that when they have 1/3 of the entire Australian population and ~60% of all international arrivals?!?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
They should! International arrivals have NOTHING to do with community transmission. Correctly isolate (we’re still looking at you, Victoria) arrivals and there will be exactly zero transmission to, or within, the community.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
When this covid stuff all started the government said it wanted to flatten the curve now it really seems the government (at least in Victoria but probably everywhere) wants to eradicate the virus which is not flattening the curve it is removing the curve.  Scope creep is alive and well and the cost of changing to this has caused a recession.
Western Australia has openly admitted they will not reopen their borders until the eastern states have eliminated community transmission. Their experts in the Palmer #4 trial said that elimination is defined as "2 cycles of no community transmission of unknown sources, or 28 days".

Does anyone really think NSW can go 28 days like that when they have 1/3 of the entire Australian population and ~60% of all international arrivals?!?
KRviator
I do agree that this Coronavirus Pandemic is becoming more like a political football now (as it is in other countries as well I would imagine), sure, if it is dangerous to keep the border's closed then keep them shut, but I think the Premier's should be looking at the low numbers in the other states which have low number's, and using their common sense.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
When this covid stuff all started the government said it wanted to flatten the curve now it really seems the government (at least in Victoria but probably everywhere) wants to eradicate the virus which is not flattening the curve it is removing the curve.  Scope creep is alive and well and the cost of changing to this has caused a recession.
Western Australia has openly admitted they will not reopen their borders until the eastern states have eliminated community transmission. Their experts in the Palmer #4 trial said that elimination is defined as "2 cycles of no community transmission of unknown sources, or 28 days".

Does anyone really think NSW can go 28 days like that when they have 1/3 of the entire Australian population and ~60% of all international arrivals?!?
I do agree that this Coronavirus Pandemic is becoming more like a political football now (as it is in other countries as well I would imagine), sure, if it is dangerous to keep the border's closed then keep them shut, but I think the Premier's should be looking at the low numbers in the other states which have low number's, and using their common sense.
lsrailfan
Forget Corona, there’s a pandemic of incorrectly used apostrophes there.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
When this covid stuff all started the government said it wanted to flatten the curve now it really seems the government (at least in Victoria but probably everywhere) wants to eradicate the virus which is not flattening the curve it is removing the curve.  Scope creep is alive and well and the cost of changing to this has caused a recession.
Western Australia has openly admitted they will not reopen their borders until the eastern states have eliminated community transmission. Their experts in the Palmer #4 trial said that elimination is defined as "2 cycles of no community transmission of unknown sources, or 28 days".

Does anyone really think NSW can go 28 days like that when they have 1/3 of the entire Australian population and ~60% of all international arrivals?!?
I do agree that this Coronavirus Pandemic is becoming more like a political football now (as it is in other countries as well I would imagine), sure, if it is dangerous to keep the border's closed then keep them shut, but I think the Premier's should be looking at the low numbers in the other states which have low number's, and using their common sense.
Forget Corona, there’s a pandemic of incorrectly used apostrophes there.
Aaron
I see, noted for next time, I used to help a Chinese chap with English as well, goodness gracious....
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
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  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
They should! International arrivals have NOTHING to do with community transmission. Correctly isolate (we’re still looking at you, Victoria) arrivals and there will be exactly zero transmission to, or within, the community.
Aaron
I agree complete they shouldn't affect the numbers, but the fact is, they can and do. IIRC a manager at one of the hotels caught it somehow, passed it on to security guards and off it went. ISTR a comment on one of the media outlets where the CHO or deputy came out and said so long as it is overseas and we have hotel quarantine, there will be a not-insignificant risk of it breaking out of hotel quarantine.

Hence my point about Sydney & NSW. IF every state took a proportionate number of arrivals, then fair is fair. But as things stand now, Sydney taking a disproportionate amount of arrivals and that will skew the risk of it re-emerging in NSW. SA was the big surprise, but given their lower population their numbers make sense.

Sydney: 2,450/week
Brisbane: 500/week
Perth: 500/week
Adelaide: 500/week

Arrivals as a %age per capita:
Sydney: 301 arrivals per million NSW citizens per week
Brisbane: 97 Arrivals per million Qld Citizens
Adelaide: 284 Arrivals per million SA citizens
Perth: 211 Arrivals per million WA citizens.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I am not sure what you’re trying to say.

NSW has more arrivals, per capita SA and WA are not too far behind, but whichever way you wrinkle it SA, WA and QLD are equal and yet combined don’t even go close to Victoria’s current numbers.

My point is if arrival quarantine is correctly undertaken, as it is in SA, WA, QLD and seemingly in NSW too then community transmission is absolutely not a thing.

What you mention in Victoria be it a security guard or hotel manager, or any other person merely illustrates that quarantine of arrivals in Victoria was mishandled.

NSW health to their credit learned most of their lessons after they botched the Ruby Princess arrival, sadly, Victoria didn’t learn from that specifically, so they’re getting the lesson again at the moment.

What the rest of Australia is talking about is disallowing COMMUNITY TRANSMISSION, most of us have done it, NSW is doing pretty well and will get to 0 community transmissions if they do their job correctly. Victoria even in stage 4 is still a basket case and that is why their restrictions will need to continue, whether ‘the natives’ are getting restless or not.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
I am not sure what you’re trying to say.

NSW has more arrivals, per capita SA and WA are not too far behind, but whichever way you wrinkle it SA, WA and QLD are equal and yet combined don’t even go close to Victoria’s current numbers.

My point is if arrival quarantine is correctly undertaken, as it is in SA, WA, QLD and seemingly in NSW too then community transmission is absolutely not a thing.

What you mention in Victoria be it a security guard or hotel manager, or any other person merely illustrates that quarantine of arrivals in Victoria was mishandled.
Aaron
I don't always articulate my point easily, apologies.

My comment was twofold.
Firstly, that the two states that are sqawking loudest about defending their border closures are not pulling their weight in terms of international arrivals for their population size. Queensland has 2/3 of NSW's population, but is taking less than 1/3 of their arrivals. WA has 1/3rd the population of NSW but is taking only 1/5 of their arrivals.

Secondly, no matter how well you disinfect, sterilise and clean, you will always have a risk of infecting hotel staff, security guards (two recently in NSW) and cleaners. The more arrivals you have, the more staff you need to manage them, the greater that chance. Which in turn leads back to point 1 and which is why Gladys is right in telling Pala-stayaway that achieving 28 days transmission-free is an impossible goal. An admirable one, but impossible. And if QLD and WA pulled their weight, they might actually realise that...

NSW's best run in that regard was 22 days, then 13 and then 10. I don't think we can get it to go 4 weeks no matter how hard we try. Which gives Qld & WA the excuse they need to keep their borders closed.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Not sure if it's already been mentioned, but today's Vic numbers included previously unreleased test results from August batches. So it wouldn't surprise me if tomorrow sees less than 50 new cases in Vic.

No doubt the result will have a big bearing on Sunday's announcement.

Anyway, I'm hoping for Regional Vic to get back to normality sooner rather than later at the least.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Not sure if it's already been mentioned, but today's Vic numbers included previously unreleased test results from August batches. So it wouldn't surprise me if tomorrow sees less than 50 new cases in Vic.

No doubt the result will have a big bearing on Sunday's announcement.

Anyway, I'm hoping for Regional Vic to get back to normality sooner rather than later at the least.
Carnot
I thought that the additions were number of deaths only, didn't realise that it was for positive tests?!?!

*** edited due to original post making no sense whatsoever.......
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Some of the deaths included in the daily figures are ancient history.
Why they were not reported at the time or at least reported as '# in the last 24 hours/yesterday plus ## not previously included in the total'.
Nothing is ever what it appears to be.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

This could be a game changer right here! I can't believe that the U.S have produced a vaccine this quick! - https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/prepare-to-distribute-covid-19-vaccine-across-us-by-november-1-cdc/ar-BB18EzQW?ocid=msedgntp
lsrailfan


“Limited COVID-19 vaccine doses may be available by early November 2020, but COVID-19 vaccine supply will increase substantially in 2021,” the documents said.

When's the US Presidential Election?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
This escalates quickly and necessarily in the UK.



Let's hope this is not a precursor to Australia if lockdowns continue.  Disturbing to watch.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
This escalates quickly and necessarily in the UK.



Let's hope this is not a precursor to Australia if lockdowns continue.  Disturbing to watch.
bevans
Your post is confusing. Firstly you say the response is necessary, then you say it is disturbing.

What I'd like to know is why you are trawling for footage of imbeciles that think that their rights are more important than their responsibilities. On the other hand, maybe you didn't trawl for it; maybe you are a subscriber and sympathiser of unintelligent folk like the one depicted.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I thought the same, then just figured that he found the guy disturbing to watch, not the actions of the police.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Numbers are still stubbornly high in Vic.

Western Australia seems to want it secede from Federation too.

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