Integrated Transport Strategy for Castlemaine and Goldfields Shires

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 28 Aug 2020 12:48
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
As you should be able to note...this study is by the Central Goldfields Shire, perhaps with some input from Mount Alexander Shire...nothing to do with the state government at this time.
"The Vinelander"
Well I guess it gives the shire people something to do during the pandemic. They can then take it to the people who should be interested but probably won't be if recent history is any guide.

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Well I guess it gives the shire people something to do during the pandemic. They can then take it to the people who should be interested but probably won't be if recent history is any guide.
Valvegear

Isn't that really the problem?  The people (the taxpayers) want transport the way they see it benefiting their communities and then government does not listen.  It is quite bizzare and out of cadence with other jurisdictions.  The same could also be said for the Ballarat and Geelong wanting rail passenger services between the two cities and Jacinta would not have a bar of it.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Councils and shires should expect their transport planning and approaches to service delivery in their towns is taken seriously by PTV.
  Richard stroker Junior Train Controller

The problem is money , no government can afford to fullfill the wishes of every community that seeks improved public transport . Why not build a monorail mayor quimby.
From what I’ve read on here the government barely provides enough funds to maintain existing rail .
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Well I guess it gives the shire people something to do during the pandemic. They can then take it to the people who should be interested but probably won't be if recent history is any guide.

Isn't that really the problem?  The people (the taxpayers) want transport the way they see it benefiting their communities and then government does not listen.  It is quite bizzare and out of cadence with other jurisdictions.  The same could also be said for the Ballarat and Geelong wanting rail passenger services between the two cities and Jacinta would not have a bar of it.
bevans

If the three or four local government areas along this corridor were contacted regards this subject to gauge their opinions and support....I expect they would be in favour of the introduction of a greatly improved V/Line bus service between Geelong and Ballarat.

Next step...the same person or group 'leads the charge' by travelling to all the towns between Ballarat and Bannockburn...preferably by PT and obviously taking a few days to do so, which would establish their PT bona-fides and already having approached the local media and then the residents of those towns and got signatures on to a petition to be presented to Minister Horne...then I think a good case would be made to advance the proposal.

However is there the energy to undertake this huge task Question

It's the same for further legitimising the bus service review along the Maryborough-Castlemaine corridor.

Mike.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
You are making assumption Mike.  We don't know what they are asking for yet the point I make is whatever that is the government via PTV should look to implement the plan in theme of the constituents,  which I understand from various threads on here is a preferred option for a train certainly in the case for example of Geelong to Ballarat.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
You are making assumption Mike.  We don't know what they are asking for yet the point I make is whatever that is the government via PTV should look to implement the plan in theme of the constituents,  which I understand from various threads on here is a preferred option for a train certainly in the case for example of Geelong to Ballarat.
bevans

One always has to learn to crawl before learning to walk.

We know the V/Line bus service along this corridor is grossly inadequate.

https://www.vline.com.au/getattachment/bffee6a5-378a-4ec2-b41f-b0dcbc5b75ae/Geelong-Bendigo-(via-Ballarat)-(1)

However to advocate for a train service between Ballarat and Geelong and all the mega$ infrastructure improvements that would/will entail, before the implementation of a trial improved frequency bus service to gauge popularity and commuter take-up is an impossibility.

Mike.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Well I guess it gives the shire people something to do during the pandemic. They can then take it to the people who should be interested but probably won't be if recent history is any guide.

Isn't that really the problem?  The people (the taxpayers) want transport the way they see it benefiting their communities and then government does not listen.  It is quite bizzare and out of cadence with other jurisdictions.  The same could also be said for the Ballarat and Geelong wanting rail passenger services between the two cities and Jacinta would not have a bar of it.
bevans
The "problem really" is that the "shire people" (Hobbits?) keep coming up with these proposals and surveys but they don't foot the bill for V/Line. The state government does. It is really easy to come up with survey after survey showing how many people would jump on board XYZ transport proposal and it's not even that expensive to pay for a study or 2, even better when you are employing locals to do it so that it keeps the $$$ in your community.

But it is much harder to come up with the $$$ to actually implement the projects.

It's a bit like Covid-19, state governments make decisions to close everything down and the the Feds have to foot the bill for Job Keeper etc.

V/Line like Covid is very heavily subsidised, $21 > $22 per pax journey for V/Line last time I checked. Adding more poorly patronised services will lead to a blow out in those figures.
  TrackRailroad Train Controller

Location: Frankston Line
You are making assumption Mike.  We don't know what they are asking for yet the point I make is whatever that is the government via PTV should look to implement the plan in theme of the constituents,  which I understand from various threads on here is a preferred option for a train certainly in the case for example of Geelong to Ballarat.

One always has to learn to crawl before learning to walk.

We know the V/Line bus service along this corridor is grossly inadequate.

https://www.vline.com.au/getattachment/bffee6a5-378a-4ec2-b41f-b0dcbc5b75ae/Geelong-Bendigo-(via-Ballarat)-(1)

However to advocate for a train service between Ballarat and Geelong and all the mega$ infrastructure improvements that would/will entail, before the implementation of a trial improved frequency bus service to gauge popularity and commuter take-up is an impossibility.

Mike.
The Vinelander
I would agree an improved bus service between Geelong and Ballarat should be considered in the first instance, after conducting community consultation with local residents over what times services ideally should run based on their travel needs. If services are increased, say to 4 to 5 trips each way per day and they are well patronised and there is additional demand for extra services, than at that point a business case could be investigated to consider the feasability of returning trains between Geelong and Ballarat.

Are the current bus services between Geelong and Ballarat well used, if anyone knows?
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
I would agree an improved bus service between Geelong and Ballarat should be considered in the first instance, after conducting community consultation with local residents over what times services ideally should run based on their travel needs. If services are increased, say to 4 to 5 trips each way per day and they are well patronised and there is additional demand for extra services, than at that point a business case could be investigated to consider the feasability of returning trains between Geelong and Ballarat.

Are the current bus services between Geelong and Ballarat well used, if anyone knows?
TrackRailroad
The problem with contemplation of rail services replacing buses is that existing use of coach services will be closely scrutinized. Given the fact there is general user resistance to buses, the existing use of that mode probably understates the potential demand. I've been on the Ballarat - Geelong coach several times and it was probably never anywhere near 50% loading. The line services two of the largest regional cities (with not much in between), and if suitably upgraded could deliver an effective intercity transport option.
  SinickleBird Assistant Commissioner

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
“Option” is an excellent word, because everyone likes an option - especially a free one.

Except regular trains incur costs, that someone has to pay. Preferably someone else.

Yes, if there was a train from Ballarat to Geelong, I might take it one day. If the restrictions on travel to Victoria are lifted. And If I go to Victoria on holiday one day. Great to know it’s there, just in case. Meantime, my car is very convenient.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

The total population of Greater Geelong & Greater Ballarat is larger than the combined total population of all five Inter City corridors beyond the Commuter zone, coupled with a 5 - 6 times daily Sprinter shuttle would be the catalyst for potentailly accommodating 50- - 60,000 additional residents over Batesford, Bannockburn,Lethbridge, Meredith and Lal Lal.  Restoration of rail passenger services between Geelong & Ballarat is a no brainer in diverting population growth from Melbourne to this corridor.  Each town on that route would be no more than 50 minutes from Geelong or Ballarat, plus  no more thatn 90 minutes from Melbourne via Ballarat or Geelong.

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