Council asks for second Tarneit train station

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 07 Sep 2020 17:17
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Another council asking for improvements to the rail network but will Minister Ben listen to the requests of the people on the ground?

How difficult would it be to build a second station in the location advised?

Council asks for second Tarneit train station

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  Lockie91 Chief Train Controller

Another council asking for improvements to the rail network but will Minister Ben listen to the requests of the people on the ground?

How difficult would it be to build a second station in the location advised?

Council asks for second Tarneit train station
bevans

It's already planned, along with Black Forest Road and Manor Lakes.

Lockie
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
So are they asking for it to come forward?
  Lockie91 Chief Train Controller

So are they asking for it to come forward?
bevans
I assume so. Stations are most likely to be announced as part of the Western Rail Plan.

Whenever it may be announced.  

Lockie
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Manor lakes already has a station, it's named Wyndham Vale station.

There are 4 stations that had provision on the regional rail link route, they are as follows, Black forest road station (south of Wyndham vale station), Sayers road station (just where Sayers road is cut off), Tarneit west (somewhere west of the existing Tarneit station) and finally Truganina (near Boundary road, north east from Tarneit station).

I'm assuming they wanna fast track the building of Tarneit west station, which doesn't require the western rail plan to go ahead, you can build the station right now, nothing is stopping them building it now.

Also they are gonna add 2 new bus routes to the area, the 152 and 182 to Tarneit station, I think it would be wise to build the new station to put more spread of bus routes west of Tarniet station, at the moment they all funnel into Tarneit station.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Do we also need to add West Werribee to that list?
  stooge spark Chief Train Controller

Location: My House
I believe the Tarneit West station is supposed to be located at Davis Road.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Do we also need to add West Werribee to that list?
bevans
You are probably thinking of reopening the Werribee racecourse station which is west of Werribee.

I don't believe this location is really optimal for serving many people, and therefore wouldn't be a priority location.
If I was gonna add an extra station along the Werribee line corridor, it would be at Derrimut road, an infill station btw Werribee and Hoppers crossing.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Do we also need to add West Werribee to that list?
You are probably thinking of reopening the Werribee racecourse station which is west of Werribee.

I don't believe this location is really optimal for serving many people, and therefore wouldn't be a priority location.
If I was gonna add an extra station along the Werribee line corridor, it would be at Derrimut road, an infill station btw Werribee and Hoppers crossing.
True Believers

The reason I ask is the amount of new housing going in on the northern side of the line between the flyover from Geelong and Werribee Racecourse.  There are housing estates as far as the eye can see.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Do we also need to add West Werribee to that list?
You are probably thinking of reopening the Werribee racecourse station which is west of Werribee.

I don't believe this location is really optimal for serving many people, and therefore wouldn't be a priority location.
If I was gonna add an extra station along the Werribee line corridor, it would be at Derrimut road, an infill station btw Werribee and Hoppers crossing.

The reason I ask is the amount of new housing going in on the northern side of the line between the flyover from Geelong and Werribee Racecourse.  There are housing estates as far as the eye can see.
bevans

Black forest road station should be closest station to those housing estates between the flyover and Werribee racecourse.
Obviously would need to tweak the bus network quite a bit as well.
  CraigieburnLineUser Locomotive Fireman

One other reason for Sayers Rd to be the next station is that the new Wyndham City Stadium is being built at Sayers Rd. It's about a km from the proposed station so they'll be wanting some sort of transport option for that which the station provides.

Basic info on the stadium: https://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/stadiums.php?id=499
  NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
One other reason for Sayers Rd to be the next station is that the new Wyndham City Stadium is being built at Sayers Rd. It's about a km from the proposed station so they'll be wanting some sort of transport option for that which the station provides.

Basic info on the stadium: https://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/stadiums.php?id=499
CraigieburnLineUser

According to the website the stadium is due to open in 2021 meaning V/Line had better get moving if they are to provide the station on time for the opening.  I do wonder if the station should be connected to the Werribee Line and back into Melbourne opening up passengers from the inner west along the entire Werribee Line.
  CraigieburnLineUser Locomotive Fireman

One other reason for Sayers Rd to be the next station is that the new Wyndham City Stadium is being built at Sayers Rd. It's about a km from the proposed station so they'll be wanting some sort of transport option for that which the station provides.

Basic info on the stadium: https://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/stadiums.php?id=499

According to the website the stadium is due to open in 2021 meaning V/Line had better get moving if they are to provide the station on time for the opening.  I do wonder if the station should be connected to the Werribee Line and back into Melbourne opening up passengers from the inner west along the entire Werribee Line.
NSWGR8022
Realistically the station won't be open before the stadium is finished, it'll probably be 2 years before they build the station if it gets approved. As for the Werribee line they had planned to connect at Wyndham Vale way back when, so I doubt they'd extend it to Sayers Rd just for the stadium. Who knows though, maybe they could make it possible for special trains to keep going to the stadium when needed
  Lockie91 Chief Train Controller

Manor lakes already has a station, it's named Wyndham Vale station.

There are 4 stations that had provision on the regional rail link route, they are as follows, Black forest road station (south of Wyndham vale station), Sayers road station (just where Sayers road is cut off), Tarneit west (somewhere west of the existing Tarneit station) and finally Truganina (near Boundary road, north east from Tarneit station).

I'm assuming they wanna fast track the building of Tarneit west station, which doesn't require the western rail plan to go ahead, you can build the station right now, nothing is stopping them building it now.

Also they are gonna add 2 new bus routes to the area, the 152 and 182 to Tarneit station, I think it would be wise to build the new station to put more spread of bus routes west of Tarniet station, at the moment they all funnel into Tarneit station.
True Believers
Always gets me, another example of station names that aren't quite geographically true.

As for the construction of the stations themselves, this can be done right now and is not contingent on the Western Rail Plan. Getting those additional pax on an already overcrowded V/line service is the problem.

None of the planned stations on RRL will be constructed until the line is sparked, this being the western rail plan. Tarneit is already the busiest station on the V/line network and gives some major suburban stations a run for their money. There is simply no peak track capacity to cater for the additional pax the station will bring.

Saying that, the government needs to pull their finger out so to speak. RRL is a victim of its own success and needs to be sparked urgently.

Lockie
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
One other reason for Sayers Rd to be the next station is that the new Wyndham City Stadium is being built at Sayers Rd. It's about a km from the proposed station so they'll be wanting some sort of transport option for that which the station provides.

Basic info on the stadium: https://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/stadiums.php?id=499

According to the website the stadium is due to open in 2021 meaning V/Line had better get moving if they are to provide the station on time for the opening.  I do wonder if the station should be connected to the Werribee Line and back into Melbourne opening up passengers from the inner west along the entire Werribee Line.
Realistically the station won't be open before the stadium is finished, it'll probably be 2 years before they build the station if it gets approved. As for the Werribee line they had planned to connect at Wyndham Vale way back when, so I doubt they'd extend it to Sayers Rd just for the stadium. Who knows though, maybe they could make it possible for special trains to keep going to the stadium when needed
CraigieburnLineUser
They could electrify the RRL and have Metro trains travelling from Sunshine to Wyndham Vale which would pass by Sayers Road thereby negating the need for Weribee trains to travel that far.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
This area is woefully serviced by rail. Simply building another station on the RRL line is like putting a band-aid on a severed leg. All it will do is cram more people onto the already overcrowded Geelong line.

In no way whatsoever should this be a V/Line concern.

The state government needs to pull their collective fingers out and get on with amplification and electrification of both the Wyndham Vale and Melton lines and give the booming outer west the public transport it deserves, while preserving the capacity for Ballarat and Geelong line services to run express through the suburban area.
  TrackRailroad Train Controller

Location: Frankston Line
I agree additional train stations are required in the Tarneit area, but V-Line trains are already overcrowded, so additional trains will compound to this problem. I think the stations and ultimately electrification to Wyndham Vale is required in the short term. Is there any additional train sets V-Line could use to run some extra short Wyndham Vale services until electrification occurs?
  CraigieburnLineUser Locomotive Fireman

One other reason for Sayers Rd to be the next station is that the new Wyndham City Stadium is being built at Sayers Rd. It's about a km from the proposed station so they'll be wanting some sort of transport option for that which the station provides.

Basic info on the stadium: https://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/stadiums.php?id=499

According to the website the stadium is due to open in 2021 meaning V/Line had better get moving if they are to provide the station on time for the opening.  I do wonder if the station should be connected to the Werribee Line and back into Melbourne opening up passengers from the inner west along the entire Werribee Line.
Realistically the station won't be open before the stadium is finished, it'll probably be 2 years before they build the station if it gets approved. As for the Werribee line they had planned to connect at Wyndham Vale way back when, so I doubt they'd extend it to Sayers Rd just for the stadium. Who knows though, maybe they could make it possible for special trains to keep going to the stadium when needed
They could electrify the RRL and have Metro trains traveling from Sunshine to Wyndham Vale which would pass by Sayers Road thereby negating the need for Werribee trains to travel that far.
railblogger
That is definitely more likely to happen and will happen at some point. That is just a possibility if Metro wanted to do specials in some sort of capacity but it's definitely not as likely as them just electrifying RRL out to Wyndham Vale.


I agree additional train stations are required in the Tarneit area, but V-Line trains are already overcrowded, so additional trains will compound to this problem. I think the stations and ultimately electrification to Wyndham Vale is required in the short term. Is there any additional train sets V-Line could use to run some extra short Wyndham Vale services until electrification occurs?
TrackRailroad
To the best of my knowledge it is a genuine lack of paths for short starters or timetabling not optimised as well as possible. They are increasingly getting more VLo sets so a lack of trains is probably no longer the case. The quad and electrification of RRL will definitely be the best thing that will happen though and the sooner the better
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
I agree additional train stations are required in the Tarneit area, but V-Line trains are already overcrowded, so additional trains will compound to this problem. I think the stations and ultimately electrification to Wyndham Vale is required in the short term. Is there any additional train sets V-Line could use to run some extra short Wyndham Vale services until electrification occurs?
TrackRailroad
Short term, 9 car V/Lo appears to be on the way.
Not that they are needed in the next few months(CV19), but settling the schedule now would sort out the bugs.
  TrackRailroad Train Controller

Location: Frankston Line
One other reason for Sayers Rd to be the next station is that the new Wyndham City Stadium is being built at Sayers Rd. It's about a km from the proposed station so they'll be wanting some sort of transport option for that which the station provides.

Basic info on the stadium: https://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/stadiums.php?id=499

According to the website the stadium is due to open in 2021 meaning V/Line had better get moving if they are to provide the station on time for the opening.  I do wonder if the station should be connected to the Werribee Line and back into Melbourne opening up passengers from the inner west along the entire Werribee Line.
Realistically the station won't be open before the stadium is finished, it'll probably be 2 years before they build the station if it gets approved. As for the Werribee line they had planned to connect at Wyndham Vale way back when, so I doubt they'd extend it to Sayers Rd just for the stadium. Who knows though, maybe they could make it possible for special trains to keep going to the stadium when needed
They could electrify the RRL and have Metro trains traveling from Sunshine to Wyndham Vale which would pass by Sayers Road thereby negating the need for Werribee trains to travel that far.
That is definitely more likely to happen and will happen at some point. That is just a possibility if Metro wanted to do specials in some sort of capacity but it's definitely not as likely as them just electrifying RRL out to Wyndham Vale.


I agree additional train stations are required in the Tarneit area, but V-Line trains are already overcrowded, so additional trains will compound to this problem. I think the stations and ultimately electrification to Wyndham Vale is required in the short term. Is there any additional train sets V-Line could use to run some extra short Wyndham Vale services until electrification occurs?
To the best of my knowledge it is a genuine lack of paths for short starters or timetabling not optimised as well as possible. They are increasingly getting more VLo sets so a lack of trains is probably no longer the case. The quad and electrification of RRL will definitely be the best thing that will happen though and the sooner the better
CraigieburnLineUser
Extra train sets is a good idea and will definitely help cater for the increased patronage in the area.
  Lockie91 Chief Train Controller

I agree additional train stations are required in the Tarneit area, but V-Line trains are already overcrowded, so additional trains will compound to this problem. I think the stations and ultimately electrification to Wyndham Vale is required in the short term. Is there any additional train sets V-Line could use to run some extra short Wyndham Vale services until electrification occurs?
TrackRailroad
Fleet is not the problem, RRL is at its 16 TPH capacity. The government may be able to squeeze one or two additional paths with some cleaver timetabling, but not enough to cater for another thousand pax at a new station.

Also keep in mind Ballarat is going to get a service boost so the breadcrumbs may be split between Geelong and Ballarat. One train path each is likely all they will get.

Lockie
  NimbleJack Station Master

The flat junction at Deer Park was a terrible, short-sighted mistake. Until it's fixed, there's little benefit in quadding the tracks or trying to stuff more trains in. BLU will stretch that section between Deer Park and Sunshine to breaking point.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The flat junction at Deep Park was a terrible, short-sighted mistake. Until it's fixed, there's little benefit in quadding the tracks or trying to stuff more trains in. BLU will stretch that section between Deer Park and Sunshine to breaking point.
NimbleJack

Agree with this but also understand the removal of the flat junction was in the original plan but removed from scope by RPV?
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
The flat junction at Deep Park was a terrible, short-sighted mistake. Until it's fixed, there's little benefit in quadding the tracks or trying to stuff more trains in. BLU will stretch that section between Deer Park and Sunshine to breaking point.
NimbleJack

Agree with this but also understand the removal of the flat junction was in the original plan but removed from scope by RPV?
"bevans"


Not by RPV - they didn't exist then IMHO. De-scoping was by the, then, LNP government, probably to show off how good they were at budgeting

Neil
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
As far as I am concerned, the Wyndham Council can take a long walk off of a short pier. They were one of the key stakeholders who advised the Baillieu/Napthine Governments that the RRL Project should be curtailed and that the savings be spent on Road Projects in the area instead. Which has resulted in the current mess they are and have been in since the opening of RRL. I know the Baillieu/Napthine Governments are the ones ultimately responsible for what they did, as they were the ones in charge of the purse strings. But the Wyndham Council is to blame with their influence. I have been in public forums where members from the council have openly bragged about how much influence they have had over governments.

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