Murray Basin standardisation

 
  Lachlan's Train Channel Station Master

Location: Mildura, Victoria
Here are some photos online at Railpage covering Mildura Yard in 2003.  It was used quite a bit then.

Victrack has really done a number on Mildura as well making near impossible to make a business work.


https://www.railpage.com.au/gallery?image=17794


https://www.railpage.com.au/gallery?image=17791


https://www.railpage.com.au/gallery?image=17819

Album: https://www.railpage.com.au/gallery?album=album174
IIRC it was Mildura City Council (MRCC) who wanted the yard removed so they could build on the land. having said that theres still a big amount of empty land adjacent and you could comfortably build 3 or 4 sidings of a decent length. IIRC it was used pretty well right up until it was removed around 2008.  all that remains there is the old carriage shed, one derelict siding inside of it and turntable as well as the platform in decent condition.

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Should be an easy job to put back 2 sidings (roads 2 and 3) into Mildura yard of around 500m?

But Victrack got a solid hold of Irymple Yard too destroying that in 2004 https://www.railpage.com.au/gallery?album=album449
  Lachlan's Train Channel Station Master

Location: Mildura, Victoria
Should be an easy job to put back 2 sidings (roads 2 and 3) into Mildura yard of around 500m?

But Victrack got a solid hold of Irymple Yard too destroying that in 2004 https://www.railpage.com.au/gallery?album=album449
bevans
Yep it would be easy to fit at least one siding in given that the new pedestrian crossing on the up end of Mildura station included space for it.

using the 'measure distance' tool on google maps, they could easily build a ~730m siding, then possibly another ~500m siding (that starts after the pedestrian crossing), and possibly a couple more of a similar length. all of those would be longer than any of the sidings at Merbein.

I'm surprised the yard at Red Cliffs is still largely intact (albeit disconnected).
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Have you heard any rumours of GTS wanting access to Redclifs?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Apparently the October 6 Federal Budget will include a whole lot of infrastructure spending. It'll be interesting to see if MBRP completion is in the mix...
one can only hope, but dont bet on it.

Presumably in response to the new business case which has been sent north.

I saw a comment earlier in the thread around a lack of siding capacity in Mildura (a lot of capacity was pulled out of the Mildura are when SG went through)

Can someone describe the current problem?
Currently they have less than 1km of space at Merbein. So when a 1.2km 7901/2V has run they essentially have to use the mainline as a siding aswell. On the weekends around this time of year when there's a second train up here stabled at Yelta on the weekends they also have to run to Carwarp to store some wagons.
the Mildura cement siding was standardised for this very reason but hasn't been allowed to be used by V/Line I'm told.
If they rebuilt a siding or two out the front of Mildura station (as apparently there isnt the space to expand at Merbein) this wouldn't be an issue. It's just a bit dumb IMO that they have to use Carwarp and Yelta for stabling (neither of which is fenced leaving trains (and especially the locos) prone to vandalism).
Lachlan's Train Channel

Highly unlikely any new roads will be built in front of Mildura station. It's just not going to happen.

The sight of a 1Km long freight train parked there on a new road, or wagons stabled on their own after the removal of the goods shed years ago.
Combined with the upward trajectory of freight trains as advised by yourself last week, the removal of the former station yard and the recent beautification works along the riverfront to give a generally uninterrupted view of the city from along the river, means the railway station itself is possibly in a precarious position.

Hopefully commonsense will prevail, (read Ali Cupper local MP), as some time in the future the station, due to its prime location will become an even more important transport hub than it is right now.

Mike.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
There could be some funding in it from the Feds.  Given its a Nats area and the feds are LNP, they might want to make some milage out of whacking Dan - hey we've come to the rescue of Dans stuff up.

At least the SG portion between Geringhap and Maryborough anyway.  Sea Lake and Manangatangngngn i think are BG for a while.
  x42 Junior Train Controller

Location: NSW
What is desperately needed is 2 extra staging roads at Maryborough and re activation of the fuel point. Running trains from Geelong to stage in Murtoa to Ouyen back to Murtoa to stage again before heading to port is absolutely absurd. At least 2 extra crews / extra fuel / track access and maintenance has taken out all efficiency. Surely it’s not that hard to put some track back at Maryborough some stop boards and a couple of sets of points ?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Why has this not been done in that case?  Who is responsible for the work?

Seems it is easier to pull put track than put it in?
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
It seems that a lot of people have a...



https://youtu.be/nfBQceX8BII
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Half ar$ed...similar to our agent in Mildura reporting the lack of sidings or any roads to marshall and stable freight trains. Clearly the Mildura line has become a victim of its success already. What's it going to be like in 12 months or so when they have to turn potential customers away because the limited local infrastructure cannot cope with more trains.

Mike.
  Lachlan's Train Channel Station Master

Location: Mildura, Victoria
Have you heard any rumours of GTS wanting access to Redclifs?
bevans
Nope, can you elaborate?
  Lachlan's Train Channel Station Master

Location: Mildura, Victoria
Apparently the October 6 Federal Budget will include a whole lot of infrastructure spending. It'll be interesting to see if MBRP completion is in the mix...
one can only hope, but dont bet on it.

Presumably in response to the new business case which has been sent north.

I saw a comment earlier in the thread around a lack of siding capacity in Mildura (a lot of capacity was pulled out of the Mildura are when SG went through)

Can someone describe the current problem?
Currently they have less than 1km of space at Merbein. So when a 1.2km 7901/2V has run they essentially have to use the mainline as a siding aswell. On the weekends around this time of year when there's a second train up here stabled at Yelta on the weekends they also have to run to Carwarp to store some wagons.
the Mildura cement siding was standardised for this very reason but hasn't been allowed to be used by V/Line I'm told.
If they rebuilt a siding or two out the front of Mildura station (as apparently there isnt the space to expand at Merbein) this wouldn't be an issue. It's just a bit dumb IMO that they have to use Carwarp and Yelta for stabling (neither of which is fenced leaving trains (and especially the locos) prone to vandalism).

Highly unlikely any new roads will be built in front of Mildura station. It's just not going to happen.

The sight of a 1Km long freight train parked there on a new road, or wagons stabled on their own after the removal of the goods shed years ago.
Combined with the upward trajectory of freight trains as advised by yourself last week, the removal of the former station yard and the recent beautification works along the riverfront to give a generally uninterrupted view of the city from along the river, means the railway station itself is possibly in a precarious position.

Hopefully commonsense will prevail, (read Ali Cupper local MP), as some time in the future the station, due to its prime location will become an even more important transport hub than it is right now.

Mike.
The Vinelander
I'd doubt they'd want to demolish Mildura station as they'd have to cough up the dough for a new terminal either in the same location or elsewhere as the current building has a booking office, waiting room and toilets (and great air conditioning!)
If they want to beautify it more get rid of the darn carriage shed and turntable. they are an eyesore. not to mention the empty land is generally depressing to look at.
with the recent beautification IMO they did a pretty terrible job.
  Lachlan's Train Channel Station Master

Location: Mildura, Victoria
What is desperately needed is 2 extra staging roads at Maryborough and re activation of the fuel point. Running trains from Geelong to stage in Murtoa to Ouyen back to Murtoa to stage again before heading to port is absolutely absurd. At least 2 extra crews / extra fuel / track access and maintenance has taken out all efficiency. Surely it’s not that hard to put some track back at Maryborough some stop boards and a couple of sets of points ?
x42
according to a mate, Right up until MBRP kicked into gear Maryborough was extremely busy with up to 4 trains stabled at once during the grain season. And it still is decently busy, just it cant be used as a staging area anymore.
Ive said it before and I'll say it again, Standardisation is a burden for the region until MBRP is properly completed.

This is what ive gathered that needs to be done-

-lift the TSRs littered along the track
-expand the stabling capacity near Merbein
-more siding capacity at Ouyen needed (the yard was well rationalised as part of MRBP)
-expand the Maryborough yard (which was reduced by MBRP) by 2 roads and re activate the fuel point
-finish the Manangatang and Sea Lake standardisation PROPERLY
-maybe build a passing loop near Amphitheatre or closer to Ararat?
-lift the speed limit along the Avoca line to 65kph by properly finishing the Avoca line instead of doing it half ar$e (as is the norm for country line upgrades)

Anything else?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
What is desperately needed is 2 extra staging roads at Maryborough and re activation of the fuel point. Running trains from Geelong to stage in Murtoa to Ouyen back to Murtoa to stage again before heading to port is absolutely absurd. At least 2 extra crews / extra fuel / track access and maintenance has taken out all efficiency. Surely it’s not that hard to put some track back at Maryborough some stop boards and a couple of sets of points ?
according to a mate, Right up until MBRP kicked into gear Maryborough was extremely busy with up to 4 trains stabled at once during the grain season. And it still is decently busy, just it cant be used as a staging area anymore.
Ive said it before and I'll say it again, Standardisation is a burden for the region until MBRP is properly completed.

This is what ive gathered that needs to be done-

-lift the TSRs littered along the track
-expand the stabling capacity near Merbein
-more siding capacity at Ouyen needed (the yard was well rationalised as part of MRBP)
-expand the Maryborough yard (which was reduced by MBRP) by 2 roads and re activate the fuel point
-finish the Manangatang and Sea Lake standardisation PROPERLY
-maybe build a passing loop near Amphitheatre or closer to Ararat?
-lift the speed limit along the Avoca line to 65kph by properly finishing the Avoca line instead of doing it half ar$e (as is the norm for country line upgrades)

Anything else?
Lachlan's Train Channel

Go and make yourself known to your local MP, Ali Cupper. She is young, VERY pro-rail and in part won the seat of Mildura as an Independent two years ago from the Nats due to her pro-rail, improved V/Line PT for Mildura policies.

https://www.vec.vic.gov.au/electoral-boundaries/state-districts/mildura-district

As you can see, her electorate goes all the way down to Watchem. Ali will be well aware of the infrastructure strangulation at Mildura and Ouyen which could be discussed, as she will probably have had discussions with local businesses including Seaway...formerly Kenny Wakefields outfit at Merbein regards advocacy to the Andrews government to get more infrastructure investment.

https://www.seawayintermodal.com.au/

Also, Manangatang, also in Ali's electorate...that's still a bit of a mess and that needs sorted. But ideally due to the rapid agricultural expansion at Robinvale, it's stupid not to consider re-opening the line to Robinvale. Robinvale is a mini-Mildura and ripe for the development of a transport terminal there or just south to pick up the new and expanding nuts and wine agriculture produce in that region.

I realise Inglewood to Marong isn't on the Mildura line, or in her electorate but with the upcoming bumper grain harvest and the strangulation of the line across to Maryborough and to Geelong as well documented by Kuldalai...this is going to be a perfect storm if the work on this small section isn't reinstated NOW...and Minister Allan is going to end up with an abundance of egg on her face as it's not on the governments immediate agenda.

Good luck with all that Lachlan and we look forward to your feedback to the Forum. Smile

Mike.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I also understand Lachlan it is not possible to pass a train between Merbein and Carwarp which so much rail pulled out.  I would add to the list putting 2 roads back into Mildura Yard for extra storage.
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic

Go and make yourself known to your local MP, Ali Cupper. She is young, VERY pro-rail and in part won the seat of Mildura as an Independent two years ago from the Nats due to her pro-rail, improved V/Line PT for Mildura policies.

https://www.vec.vic.gov.au/electoral-boundaries/state-districts/mildura-district

As you can see, her electorate goes all the way down to Watchem. Ali will be well aware of the infrastructure strangulation at Mildura and Ouyen which could be discussed, as she will probably have had discussions with local businesses including Seaway...formerly Kenny Wakefields outfit at Merbein regards advocacy to the Andrews government to get more infrastructure investment.

https://www.seawayintermodal.com.au/

Also, Manangatang, also in Ali's electorate...that's still a bit of a mess and that needs sorted. But ideally due to the rapid agricultural expansion at Robinvale, it's stupid not to consider re-opening the line to Robinvale. Robinvale is a mini-Mildura and ripe for the development of a transport terminal there or just south to pick up the new and expanding nuts and wine agriculture produce in that region.

I realise Inglewood to Marong isn't on the Mildura line, or in her electorate but with the upcoming bumper grain harvest and the strangulation of the line across to Maryborough and to Geelong as well documented by Kuldalai...this is going to be a perfect storm if the work on this small section isn't reinstated NOW...and Minister Allan is going to end up with an abundance of egg on her face as it's not on the governments immediate agenda.

Good luck with all that Lachlan and we look forward to your feedback to the Forum. Smile

Mike.
The Vinelander
But before doing any of this, you might need to establish who was responsible for the beautification of the Mildura Yard. That is who on Council voted which way. As this could affect the outcome of the conversation.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
What is desperately needed is 2 extra staging roads at Maryborough and re activation of the fuel point. Running trains from Geelong to stage in Murtoa to Ouyen back to Murtoa to stage again before heading to port is absolutely absurd. At least 2 extra crews / extra fuel / track access and maintenance has taken out all efficiency. Surely it’s not that hard to put some track back at Maryborough some stop boards and a couple of sets of points ?
x42
Better off building a new dual gauge crossing loop and refuge siding between Maryborough and Dunolly, that can accommodate full length trains (up to 1200 metres) be clear of the hazards, security and public Inconvenience problems of a yard In the middle of an urban area.
  x42 Junior Train Controller

Location: NSW
I agree a large crossing loop at that location would be a welcome addition however not having the staging roads is costing the operators millions of dollars. A lot of people argued to keep the yard no one listened and now it’s a mess. End of story. Until some form of staging gos back Maybe not in the urban environment such as near the former loco depo etc the projects a white elephant.
  x42 Junior Train Controller

Location: NSW
I agree a large crossing loop at that location would be a welcome addition however not having the staging roads is costing the operators millions of dollars. A lot of people argued to keep the yard no one listened and now it’s a mess. End of story. Until some form of staging gos back Maybe not in the urban environment such as near the former loco depo etc the projects a white elephant.
  Lachlan's Train Channel Station Master

Location: Mildura, Victoria
What is desperately needed is 2 extra staging roads at Maryborough and re activation of the fuel point. Running trains from Geelong to stage in Murtoa to Ouyen back to Murtoa to stage again before heading to port is absolutely absurd. At least 2 extra crews / extra fuel / track access and maintenance has taken out all efficiency. Surely it’s not that hard to put some track back at Maryborough some stop boards and a couple of sets of points ?
according to a mate, Right up until MBRP kicked into gear Maryborough was extremely busy with up to 4 trains stabled at once during the grain season. And it still is decently busy, just it cant be used as a staging area anymore.
Ive said it before and I'll say it again, Standardisation is a burden for the region until MBRP is properly completed.

This is what ive gathered that needs to be done-

-lift the TSRs littered along the track
-expand the stabling capacity near Merbein
-more siding capacity at Ouyen needed (the yard was well rationalised as part of MRBP)
-expand the Maryborough yard (which was reduced by MBRP) by 2 roads and re activate the fuel point
-finish the Manangatang and Sea Lake standardisation PROPERLY
-maybe build a passing loop near Amphitheatre or closer to Ararat?
-lift the speed limit along the Avoca line to 65kph by properly finishing the Avoca line instead of doing it half ar$e (as is the norm for country line upgrades)

Anything else?

Go and make yourself known to your local MP, Ali Cupper. She is young, VERY pro-rail and in part won the seat of Mildura as an Independent two years ago from the Nats due to her pro-rail, improved V/Line PT for Mildura policies.

https://www.vec.vic.gov.au/electoral-boundaries/state-districts/mildura-district

As you can see, her electorate goes all the way down to Watchem. Ali will be well aware of the infrastructure strangulation at Mildura and Ouyen which could be discussed, as she will probably have had discussions with local businesses including Seaway...formerly Kenny Wakefields outfit at Merbein regards advocacy to the Andrews government to get more infrastructure investment.

https://www.seawayintermodal.com.au/

Also, Manangatang, also in Ali's electorate...that's still a bit of a mess and that needs sorted. But ideally due to the rapid agricultural expansion at Robinvale, it's stupid not to consider re-opening the line to Robinvale. Robinvale is a mini-Mildura and ripe for the development of a transport terminal there or just south to pick up the new and expanding nuts and wine agriculture produce in that region.

I realise Inglewood to Marong isn't on the Mildura line, or in her electorate but with the upcoming bumper grain harvest and the strangulation of the line across to Maryborough and to Geelong as well documented by Kuldalai...this is going to be a perfect storm if the work on this small section isn't reinstated NOW...and Minister Allan is going to end up with an abundance of egg on her face as it's not on the governments immediate agenda.

Good luck with all that Lachlan and we look forward to your feedback to the Forum. Smile

Mike.
The Vinelander
Funnily enough I actually personally know her. I will email her regarding these issues and hopefully something gets done.
  Lachlan's Train Channel Station Master

Location: Mildura, Victoria
I also understand Lachlan it is not possible to pass a train between Merbein and Carwarp which so much rail pulled out.  I would add to the list putting 2 roads back into Mildura Yard for extra storage.
bevans
Yes not possible. A fair amount of this could be resolved if V/Line would let the Mildura cement siding be used. its roughly 650m long. But on SG V/Line haven't let PN use it.
  GheringhapLoop GEEWONG

Location: Gheringhap Vic 3331
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  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Dunolly was busy this morning with a standard gauge train loading as a broad gauge train passed by!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjwRJcx28m4&feature=youtu.be
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Brilliant!

on the down side of the crossing you are filming broken track in the left foreground was that in use at one point or just being stored?
  NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Is the loading point for grain the only one in Dunolly and is it Dual Gauge?

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