Daniel Andrews Imploding Act

 
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Yep I totally understand this too, I would HATE being in some form of lockdown for what, well some have been in some form of lockdown since March!!, unfortunately, in regards to the Conspiracy theorists, Melbourne is full of them at the moment, and if they listen to Sky News with Alan Jones or Andrew Bolt, their condition will not improve, as they both have been downplaying the pandemic big time!, saying it is not as serious as it is, suggesting that it's not a pandemic, saying that the Govt bought on the recession blah blah. I do hope that Melbournians get to where we are currently at in NSW, because as Don-Dunstan correctly points out, if Victoria was to have a massive third wave of this thing, they may well burn the state down!
lsrailfan
In the case of the people i spoke to today it is far more likely that they get their ideas from the Internet

Alan Jones doesn't really play well down here, not sure about Bolt and I have never met anyone who watches Sky News, does anyone actually watch that drivel or is it like The Oz, Murdoch's toy that he keeps throwing $$$ at despite it never making any money! (another topic for another thread I know)
"BrentonGolding"

The last thing I will say on this topic is, AJ'S Sky News FB page is full of conspiracy theory people, calling it a "plandemic", constantly referring to UN'S Agenda 21/30, (whatever the hell that is).

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  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Don't worry, don, I'm living in it; you're not.
Valvegear
So you speak for everyone who is in Stage Four lock-down and you say it's all worth it? Got it.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
With all due respect, that's why I think Andrews is taking the long way round to come out of lockdown, he wants to make absolutely certain that there will be NO third wave, If Victoria can get the numbers down to 10-15 cases per day say, that SHOULD be good enough for the contact tracers to do their job,  the only thing that worries me is, have Victoria now got better contact tracers than they had before, I sure darned hope so!!
lsrailfan
All it will take is after the state goes back to 'normal', someone will fly in from India or China asymptomatic and infect hundreds of people before they're found and it'll be right back to Stage Four before you know it. Inevitable.

And why did "dog grooming" get approved but lawnmowing and gardening services didn't? Anything to do with the deal that Dan did with the upper house "Animal Justice Party" waste-of-space?

Jim Penman needs to buy himself and upper house MP... apparently that's what you do in Victoria.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Had a feeling someone might try this on

From this morning's ABC News Breakfast

A lawyer representing on of the workers in a class action again the Victorian Government says they are suing for lost wages.

Tony Carbone told News Breakfast there is enough evidence to suggested restrictions would not have come into effect — resulting in job losses — if hotel quarantine was not breached.

"We're suing for people's loss of income. Effectively, we're saying that these workers have lost their jobs because of the hotel bungling," Mr Carbone.

"The Government, if it wasn't for their debacle involved in the hotels, we wouldn't have had the stage 3 and subsequent stage 4 lockdowns which effectively meant that people would have continued to work."
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
If you've got a spare 15 minutes,the first part is about China, irrelevant here but none the less interesting. The second part is, well you be the judge:      

https://iview.abc.net.au/show/media-watch
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
So you speak for everyone who is in Stage Four lock-down and you say it's all worth it? Got it.
"don_dunstan"
How you can possibly deduce that from my statement which concerns me only, I cannot imagine.
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bored at home
With all due respect, that's why I think Andrews is taking the long way round to come out of lockdown, he wants to make absolutely certain that there will be NO third wave, If Victoria can get the numbers down to 10-15 cases per day say, that SHOULD be good enough for the contact tracers to do their job,  the only thing that worries me is, have Victoria now got better contact tracers than they had before, I sure darned hope so!!
All it will take is after the state goes back to 'normal', someone will fly in from India or China asymptomatic and infect hundreds of people before they're found and it'll be right back to Stage Four before you know it. Inevitable.

And why did "dog grooming" get approved but lawnmowing and gardening services didn't? Anything to do with the deal that Dan did with the upper house "Animal Justice Party" waste-of-space?

Jim Penman needs to buy himself and upper house MP... apparently that's what you do in Victoria.
don_dunstan
I'd be more worried about those returning from the good ol USA, like the first time.

Dog grooming - indoors, drop off, no people contact = OK
Dog grooming, lawn mowers - driving around the burbs, contracting who knows how many people = NO

JIM may well be angry, but he ain't corrupt.  Nor is him you just slandered - as usual another cheap shot from the safe seats. Hope he sues your smeg off.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Had a feeling someone might try this on

From this morning's ABC News Breakfast

A lawyer representing on of the workers in a class action again the Victorian Government says they are suing for lost wages.

Tony Carbone told News Breakfast there is enough evidence to suggested restrictions would not have come into effect — resulting in job losses — if hotel quarantine was not breached.

"We're suing for people's loss of income. Effectively, we're saying that these workers have lost their jobs because of the hotel bungling," Mr Carbone.

"The Government, if it wasn't for their debacle involved in the hotels, we wouldn't have had the stage 3 and subsequent stage 4 lockdowns which effectively meant that people would have continued to work."
BrentonGolding
Good. IF the Government has enacted legislation to empower the Police to arrest you for protesting - or even planning to protest - against the Government then the courts are really the last avenue of appeal to hold them to account. Same as WA and their G2G Pass. I've applied 3 times and been rejected 3 times and there is no right of appeal, no recourse available.

If they can prove the hotel quarantine system is at fault, then those responsible should bear the cost of it.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Unfortunately it will be taxpayers coming up with the money,  not the incompetent politicians or public servants that caused the mess.   Taking the Government to court might get the companies some recourse, but in the end we all pay for this, again.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
With all due respect, that's why I think Andrews is taking the long way round to come out of lockdown, he wants to make absolutely certain that there will be NO third wave, If Victoria can get the numbers down to 10-15 cases per day say, that SHOULD be good enough for the contact tracers to do their job,  the only thing that worries me is, have Victoria now got better contact tracers than they had before, I sure darned hope so!!
All it will take is after the state goes back to 'normal', someone will fly in from India or China asymptomatic and infect hundreds of people before they're found and it'll be right back to Stage Four before you know it. Inevitable.

And why did "dog grooming" get approved but lawnmowing and gardening services didn't? Anything to do with the deal that Dan did with the upper house "Animal Justice Party" waste-of-space?

Jim Penman needs to buy himself and upper house MP... apparently that's what you do in Victoria.
I'd be more worried about those returning from the good ol USA, like the first time.

Dog grooming - indoors, drop off, no people contact = OK
Dog grooming, lawn mowers - driving around the burbs, contracting who knows how many people = NO

JIM may well be angry, but he ain't corrupt.  Nor is him you just slandered - as usual another cheap shot from the safe seats. Hope he sues your smeg off.
justarider
What the frig are you blathering on about - I just pointed out the obvious, which is that lawnmowing is less contact than picking up someone's dog. Why would Jim sue me for agreeing with him? Hysterical much?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Excellent article from Chris Ulhmann in this morning's Sydney Morning Herald pointing out that Dan Andrews is destroying the village to save the village:

Soon enough there will be a global reckoning on whether the coronavirus defences did more damage than the disease.

It will be driven by the swingeing economic destruction imposed by governments that will deliver millions into poverty, driving internal and external conflicts. Beggared states will turn inward, the world will become more polarised, angrier, more dangerous.

In time it's a fair bet the cure will be seen by many as the real curse, as people whose lives have been destroyed seek retribution...

...COVID-19 mostly kills the elderly, especially if they have an existing chronic disease. That is not an argument to let them die but it should guide government responses.

Of the 816 Australian deaths the vast majority, 606, were in residential aged care. So if you are going to throw a ring of steel around anything it should be around aged care homes, not Melbourne. The rest of the population should be liberated to get on with their lives while taking sensible health precautions...

...If the argument is we must do everything in our power to protect the elderly then were are already doing well. Federal Health Department data, first published in The Australian, shows that there were almost 1000 fewer deaths in residential aged care in the first seven months of this year than in the same time last year.

I sourced the same data from the department and received two a tables and a note.

"The lower number of deaths for this period in 2020 (32,398) compared to the same period in 2019 (33,383) is likely the result of increased influenza immunisation rates, and increased infection control protocols introduced during the COVID-19 pandemic," the health department note said.

So, why is it a crime for someone to die of COVID-19 in care but it's OK if they die of absolutely anything else?

This disease has revealed the character of our leaders and hammered home some uncomfortable truths about us as a people. As a nation we seem comfortable with authoritarianism and too many relish the role of prefect.

And nowhere in this often-opaque democracy has a less transparent court system, bureaucracy, police force or government than Victoria. The people there have been badly served, even as some revelled in the servitude. Its systems of power have combined to deliver the wanton destruction of its vibrant society. Its government has condemned its people to a poorer future, to higher unemployment, more poverty and less opportunity.

Rejoice. Dan Andrews has destroyed the village to save it.

The way that we have reacted to this disease as a nation is destroying the lives of the young in order to do everything they possibly could to save the lives of people in their eighties and nineties. Why? Why not just isolate those people and allow the rest of the economy to continue on as normal?

And all this will turn out to be for nothing if there's a third wave.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
So you speak for everyone who is in Stage Four lock-down and you say it's all worth it? Got it.
How you can possibly deduce that from my statement which concerns me only, I cannot imagine.
Valvegear
You're saying that the lockdowns are worth it - I'm saying that's just your opinion and that there's a lot of people out there in Melbourne who don't agree with you. Simple.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Excellent article from Chris Ulhmann in this morning's Sydney Morning Herald pointing out that Dan Andrews is destroying the village to save the village:

Soon enough there will be a global reckoning on whether the coronavirus defences did more damage than the disease.

It will be driven by the swingeing economic destruction imposed by governments that will deliver millions into poverty, driving internal and external conflicts. Beggared states will turn inward, the world will become more polarised, angrier, more dangerous.

In time it's a fair bet the cure will be seen by many as the real curse, as people whose lives have been destroyed seek retribution...

...COVID-19 mostly kills the elderly, especially if they have an existing chronic disease. That is not an argument to let them die but it should guide government responses.

Of the 816 Australian deaths the vast majority, 606, were in residential aged care. So if you are going to throw a ring of steel around anything it should be around aged care homes, not Melbourne. The rest of the population should be liberated to get on with their lives while taking sensible health precautions...

...If the argument is we must do everything in our power to protect the elderly then were are already doing well. Federal Health Department data, first published in The Australian, shows that there were almost 1000 fewer deaths in residential aged care in the first seven months of this year than in the same time last year.

I sourced the same data from the department and received two a tables and a note.

"The lower number of deaths for this period in 2020 (32,398) compared to the same period in 2019 (33,383) is likely the result of increased influenza immunisation rates, and increased infection control protocols introduced during the COVID-19 pandemic," the health department note said.

So, why is it a crime for someone to die of COVID-19 in care but it's OK if they die of absolutely anything else?

This disease has revealed the character of our leaders and hammered home some uncomfortable truths about us as a people. As a nation we seem comfortable with authoritarianism and too many relish the role of prefect.

And nowhere in this often-opaque democracy has a less transparent court system, bureaucracy, police force or government than Victoria. The people there have been badly served, even as some revelled in the servitude. Its systems of power have combined to deliver the wanton destruction of its vibrant society. Its government has condemned its people to a poorer future, to higher unemployment, more poverty and less opportunity.

Rejoice. Dan Andrews has destroyed the village to save it.

The way that we have reacted to this disease as a nation is destroying the lives of the young in order to do everything they possibly could to save the lives of people in their eighties and nineties. Why? Why not just isolate those people and allow the rest of the economy to continue on as normal?

And all this will turn out to be for nothing if there's a third wave.
"don_dunstan"

I am a volunteer in an aged care facility, the notion that you can "ring fence" an aged care home/nursing home is quite laughable, some of these nursing homes fall within the general community areas, if you have a massive outbreak in the community of Covid-19, regrettably, it will make it's way in to these facilities, ring fencing them means that the people that work in there will more or less have to live on site somewhere, or close by, these people also have families, to me, it's quite impractical.
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bored at home
With all due respect, that's why I think Andrews is taking the long way round to come out of lockdown, he wants to make absolutely certain that there will be NO third wave, If Victoria can get the numbers down to 10-15 cases per day say, that SHOULD be good enough for the contact tracers to do their job,  the only thing that worries me is, have Victoria now got better contact tracers than they had before, I sure darned hope so!!
All it will take is after the state goes back to 'normal', someone will fly in from India or China asymptomatic and infect hundreds of people before they're found and it'll be right back to Stage Four before you know it. Inevitable.

And why did "dog grooming" get approved but lawnmowing and gardening services didn't? Anything to do with the deal that Dan did with the upper house "Animal Justice Party" waste-of-space?

Jim Penman needs to buy himself and upper house MP... apparently that's what you do in Victoria.
I'd be more worried about those returning from the good ol USA, like the first time.

Dog grooming - indoors, drop off, no people contact = OK
Dog grooming, lawn mowers - driving around the burbs, contracting who knows how many people = NO

JIM may well be angry, but he ain't corrupt.  Nor is him you just slandered - as usual another cheap shot from the safe seats. Hope he sues your smeg off.
What the frig are you blathering on about - I just pointed out the obvious, which is that lawnmowing is less contact than picking up someone's dog. Why would Jim sue me for agreeing with him? Hysterical much?
don_dunstan
Pointing out the obvious. Yeah, that you're a xenophobe.

Lawn mowing less contact. Pull the other one. Believe that it's easy mowing with a mask on,  try it - very uncomfortable for 10 minutes let alone all day each day. Easy to predict what the (non)compliance would be.
Driving all over town, speaking to clients ( wanna get paid ?), visiting conviences, picking up lunch.
Each bit a small risk, collectively too much.

On the other hand, dogs don't carry this disease. Groomers not allowed to visit, customers not allowed in the premises, and the 5km rule applies.

Learn to read your own blathering.
You slandered a member of the Upper House, although I'm sure JIM would be offended being even mentioned in the same breath.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Excellent article from Chris Ulhmann in this morning's Sydney Morning Herald pointing out that Dan Andrews is destroying the village to save the village:

Soon enough there will be a global reckoning on whether the coronavirus defences did more damage than the disease.

It will be driven by the swingeing economic destruction imposed by governments that will deliver millions into poverty, driving internal and external conflicts. Beggared states will turn inward, the world will become more polarised, angrier, more dangerous.

In time it's a fair bet the cure will be seen by many as the real curse, as people whose lives have been destroyed seek retribution...

...COVID-19 mostly kills the elderly, especially if they have an existing chronic disease. That is not an argument to let them die but it should guide government responses.

Of the 816 Australian deaths the vast majority, 606, were in residential aged care. So if you are going to throw a ring of steel around anything it should be around aged care homes, not Melbourne. The rest of the population should be liberated to get on with their lives while taking sensible health precautions...

...If the argument is we must do everything in our power to protect the elderly then were are already doing well. Federal Health Department data, first published in The Australian, shows that there were almost 1000 fewer deaths in residential aged care in the first seven months of this year than in the same time last year.

I sourced the same data from the department and received two a tables and a note.

"The lower number of deaths for this period in 2020 (32,398) compared to the same period in 2019 (33,383) is likely the result of increased influenza immunisation rates, and increased infection control protocols introduced during the COVID-19 pandemic," the health department note said.

So, why is it a crime for someone to die of COVID-19 in care but it's OK if they die of absolutely anything else?

This disease has revealed the character of our leaders and hammered home some uncomfortable truths about us as a people. As a nation we seem comfortable with authoritarianism and too many relish the role of prefect.

And nowhere in this often-opaque democracy has a less transparent court system, bureaucracy, police force or government than Victoria. The people there have been badly served, even as some revelled in the servitude. Its systems of power have combined to deliver the wanton destruction of its vibrant society. Its government has condemned its people to a poorer future, to higher unemployment, more poverty and less opportunity.

Rejoice. Dan Andrews has destroyed the village to save it.

The way that we have reacted to this disease as a nation is destroying the lives of the young in order to do everything they possibly could to save the lives of people in their eighties and nineties. Why? Why not just isolate those people and allow the rest of the economy to continue on as normal?

And all this will turn out to be for nothing if there's a third wave.
don_dunstan
'... Why not just isolate those people and allow the rest of the economy to continue on as normal?'

As in concentration camps or leper colonies, perhaps?

It is not a crime to be old or in ill-health regardless of one's age. By all means take every reasonable precaution but no one's liberty should be infringed long term without a crime and a trial.

You don't need to go too far back in European history to see what happened to various groups of people.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Excellent article from Chris Ulhmann in this morning's Sydney Morning Herald pointing out that Dan Andrews is destroying the village to save the village:

Soon enough there will be a global reckoning on whether the coronavirus defences did more damage than the disease.

It will be driven by the swingeing economic destruction imposed by governments that will deliver millions into poverty, driving internal and external conflicts. Beggared states will turn inward, the world will become more polarised, angrier, more dangerous.

In time it's a fair bet the cure will be seen by many as the real curse, as people whose lives have been destroyed seek retribution...

...COVID-19 mostly kills the elderly, especially if they have an existing chronic disease. That is not an argument to let them die but it should guide government responses.

Of the 816 Australian deaths the vast majority, 606, were in residential aged care. So if you are going to throw a ring of steel around anything it should be around aged care homes, not Melbourne. The rest of the population should be liberated to get on with their lives while taking sensible health precautions...

...If the argument is we must do everything in our power to protect the elderly then were are already doing well. Federal Health Department data, first published in The Australian, shows that there were almost 1000 fewer deaths in residential aged care in the first seven months of this year than in the same time last year.

I sourced the same data from the department and received two a tables and a note.

"The lower number of deaths for this period in 2020 (32,398) compared to the same period in 2019 (33,383) is likely the result of increased influenza immunisation rates, and increased infection control protocols introduced during the COVID-19 pandemic," the health department note said.

So, why is it a crime for someone to die of COVID-19 in care but it's OK if they die of absolutely anything else?

This disease has revealed the character of our leaders and hammered home some uncomfortable truths about us as a people. As a nation we seem comfortable with authoritarianism and too many relish the role of prefect.

And nowhere in this often-opaque democracy has a less transparent court system, bureaucracy, police force or government than Victoria. The people there have been badly served, even as some revelled in the servitude. Its systems of power have combined to deliver the wanton destruction of its vibrant society. Its government has condemned its people to a poorer future, to higher unemployment, more poverty and less opportunity.

Rejoice. Dan Andrews has destroyed the village to save it.

The way that we have reacted to this disease as a nation is destroying the lives of the young in order to do everything they possibly could to save the lives of people in their eighties and nineties. Why? Why not just isolate those people and allow the rest of the economy to continue on as normal?

And all this will turn out to be for nothing if there's a third wave.
'... Why not just isolate those people and allow the rest of the economy to continue on as normal?'

As in concentration camps or leper colonies, perhaps?

It is not a crime to be old or in ill-health regardless of one's age. By all means take every reasonable precaution but no one's liberty should be infringed long term without a crime and a trial.

You don't need to go too far back in European history to see what happened to various groups of people.
YM-Mundrabilla
It Baffles me why people are Valuing an economic reopening over Peoples Fragile lives. Idiots like Ulhamann seem to desire us to be like the US and let the virus run riot just to keep just to keep the already slumping economy ticking. If the State Government did that, the Press already looking for an excuse to bash Dan and Co would be claiming they should have done what they are doing now. Caution is the only sane and reasonable way to go through this

As a young person, I will say this, I am willing to Sacrifice my Future, my employment (income) and Education to keep people alive and prevent this from killing anymore people, especially those who are vulnerable in our society, Young and Old. Economic Damage is repairable, The Human Lives lost are not. The Covid Crisis has not created the systemic issues of youth unemployment and the Hellholes that Retirement homes can seem to be, just brought them out into the spotlight after being swept under the rug for so long.

The Claims of 'Authoritarianism' are just idiotic, if there was any it'd be more bloody obvious, with the press being shut and Political Opponents Sent to Chairman Dan's private Gulags by the Victorian Red Guard. Nothing 'Unreasonable' has happened yet, everything all of the state governments have done have been justified.

My, my, How the Fairfax Papers have fallen since 9's buyout, literally reads like a Beatup on Skynews or The Australian.

End of my Venture into this thread, for the time being....
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Damn communist
Left wing bleeding heart liberal (not LNP Liberal)

Welcome to the dark side,tis fun watching, pointing and laughing at stupidity
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
My, my, How the Fairfax Papers have fallen since 9's buyout, literally reads like a Beatup on Skynews or The Australian.

End of my Venture into this thread, for the time being....
Dangersdan707
You do know that Chris Uhlmann did almost 20 years at the ABC before departing for Fairfax right?

And before that he was with that well known Right Wing rag the Canberra Times.......
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bored at home
My, my, How the Fairfax Papers have fallen since 9's buyout, literally reads like a Beatup on Skynews or The Australian.

End of my Venture into this thread, for the time being....
You do know that Chris Uhlmann did almost 20 years at the ABC before departing for Fairfax right?

And before that he was with that well known Right Wing rag the Canberra Times.......
BrentonGolding
And we do know that Mr Uhlmann has shifted from his forte of reporting facts into the dark world of opinion.

But don't confuse what Mr Uhlmann actually wrote with @don's editorializing.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
And we do know that Mr Uhlmann has shifted from his forte of reporting facts into the dark world of opinion.
justarider.
Indeed and a world inhabited by Left and Right wing loons alike. Way too much opinion in the media these days much of it consumed by people as fact.
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bored at home
And we do know that Mr Uhlmann has shifted from his forte of reporting facts into the dark world of opinion.
Indeed and a world inhabited by Left and Right wing loons alike. Way too much opinion in the media these days much of it consumed by people as fact.
But don't confuse what Mr Uhlmann actually wrote with @don's editorializing.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
An interesting day at the Hotel Quarantine enquiry with Brett Sutton

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-16/brett-sutton-victorian-coronavirus-hotel-quarantine-inquiry/12668398

Extraordinary.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
An interesting day at the Hotel Quarantine enquiry with Brett Sutton

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-16/brett-sutton-victorian-coronavirus-hotel-quarantine-inquiry/12668398

Extraordinary.
BrentonGolding
No - typical?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
What the frig are you blathering on about - I just pointed out the obvious, which is that lawnmowing is less contact than picking up someone's dog. Why would Jim sue me for agreeing with him? Hysterical much?
Pointing out the obvious. Yeah, that you're a xenophobe.
justarider
Because I think lawnmowing services are low risk? What are you smoking!
Lawn mowing less contact. Pull the other one. Believe that it's easy mowing with a mask on, try it - very uncomfortable for 10 minutes let alone all day each day. Easy to predict what the (non)compliance would be. Driving all over town, speaking to clients ( wanna get paid ?), visiting conviences, picking up lunch. Each bit a small risk, collectively too much.
justarider
Obviously in your part of the world you've never heard of using credit cards on the internet to pay for stuff like services. Why would someone doing lawns need to have any contact whatsoever with their clients - you really do live in a strange little world, don't you.
On the other hand, dogs don't carry this disease. Groomers not allowed to visit, customers not allowed in the premises, and the 5km rule applies. Learn to read your own blathering. You slandered a member of the Upper House, although I'm sure JIM would be offended being even mentioned in the same breath.
justarider
How the frig does the customer drop off the dog and/or the groomer pick it up if they don't do it in person? Your imaginary scenario is impossible, of course they have to have contact with each other to do the service - what does the customer do - leave the dog tied up at the letterbox?

I didn't slander anyone, I just pointed out that Jim Penman needs to buy himself an upper house MP.

You on the other hand live in a delusional la la world - or perhaps you're someone who does dog grooming for a living?
  Upven Locomotive Driver

Excellent article from Chris Ulhmann in this morning's Sydney Morning Herald pointing out that Dan Andrews is destroying the village to save the village:

Soon enough there will be a global reckoning on whether the coronavirus defences did more damage than the disease.

It will be driven by the swingeing economic destruction imposed by governments that will deliver millions into poverty, driving internal and external conflicts. Beggared states will turn inward, the world will become more polarised, angrier, more dangerous.

In time it's a fair bet the cure will be seen by many as the real curse, as people whose lives have been destroyed seek retribution...

...COVID-19 mostly kills the elderly, especially if they have an existing chronic disease. That is not an argument to let them die but it should guide government responses.

Of the 816 Australian deaths the vast majority, 606, were in residential aged care. So if you are going to throw a ring of steel around anything it should be around aged care homes, not Melbourne. The rest of the population should be liberated to get on with their lives while taking sensible health precautions...

...If the argument is we must do everything in our power to protect the elderly then were are already doing well. Federal Health Department data, first published in The Australian, shows that there were almost 1000 fewer deaths in residential aged care in the first seven months of this year than in the same time last year.

I sourced the same data from the department and received two a tables and a note.

"The lower number of deaths for this period in 2020 (32,398) compared to the same period in 2019 (33,383) is likely the result of increased influenza immunisation rates, and increased infection control protocols introduced during the COVID-19 pandemic," the health department note said.

So, why is it a crime for someone to die of COVID-19 in care but it's OK if they die of absolutely anything else?

This disease has revealed the character of our leaders and hammered home some uncomfortable truths about us as a people. As a nation we seem comfortable with authoritarianism and too many relish the role of prefect.

And nowhere in this often-opaque democracy has a less transparent court system, bureaucracy, police force or government than Victoria. The people there have been badly served, even as some revelled in the servitude. Its systems of power have combined to deliver the wanton destruction of its vibrant society. Its government has condemned its people to a poorer future, to higher unemployment, more poverty and less opportunity.

Rejoice. Dan Andrews has destroyed the village to save it.

The way that we have reacted to this disease as a nation is destroying the lives of the young in order to do everything they possibly could to save the lives of people in their eighties and nineties. Why? Why not just isolate those people and allow the rest of the economy to continue on as normal?

And all this will turn out to be for nothing if there's a third wave.

I am a volunteer in an aged care facility, the notion that you can "ring fence" an aged care home/nursing home is quite laughable, some of these nursing homes fall within the general community areas, if you have a massive outbreak in the community of Covid-19, regrettably, it will make it's way in to these facilities, ring fencing them means that the people that work in there will more or less have to live on site somewhere, or close by, these people also have families, to me, it's quite impractical.
lsrailfan
Sounds like the aged-care industry has large systemic issues that need to be addressed.

Locking everyone up in their homes doesn't sound like a solution to that. I really am quite excited to see how a few of the class actions, and the recent case in the Supreme Court go (regarding curfew), in questioning and determining the legitimacy of some of Daniel Andrew's governments decisions.

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