How the frig does the customer drop off the dog and/or the groomer pick it up if they don't do it in person? Your imaginary scenario is impossible, of course they have to have contact with each other to do the service - what does the customer do - leave the dog tied up at the letterbox?

I didn't slander anyone, I just pointed out that Jim Penman needs to buy himself an upper house MP.

You on the other hand live in a delusional la la world - or perhaps you're someone who does dog grooming for a living?

All it will take is after the state goes back to 'normal', someone will fly in from India or China asymptomatic and infect hundreds of people before they're found and it'll be right back to Stage Four before you know it. Inevitable.

How does Daniel Andrews the CEO of Victoria not see 3 emails from the ADF offering support?  Answer: he cannot and did see them or was told of the offer without a doubt. Why did he not accept help from the ADF?  Unions?

How does Daniel Andrews the CEO of Victoria not see 3 emails from the ADF offering support?  Answer: he cannot and did see them or was told of the offer without a doubt. Why did he not accept help from the ADF?  Unions?

Yep, he needs to answer for that one? He should come clean.


Michael

How does Daniel Andrews the CEO of Victoria not see 3 emails from the ADF offering support?  Answer: he cannot and did see them or was told of the offer without a doubt. Why did he not accept help from the ADF?  Unions?

Excellent article from Chris Ulhmann in this morning's Sydney Morning Herald pointing out that Dan Andrews is destroying the village to save the village:

Soon enough there will be a global reckoning on whether the coronavirus defences did more damage than the disease.

It will be driven by the swingeing economic destruction imposed by governments that will deliver millions into poverty, driving internal and external conflicts. Beggared states will turn inward, the world will become more polarised, angrier, more dangerous.

In time it's a fair bet the cure will be seen by many as the real curse, as people whose lives have been destroyed seek retribution...

...COVID-19 mostly kills the elderly, especially if they have an existing chronic disease. That is not an argument to let them die but it should guide government responses.

Of the 816 Australian deaths the vast majority, 606, were in residential aged care. So if you are going to throw a ring of steel around anything it should be around aged care homes, not Melbourne. The rest of the population should be liberated to get on with their lives while taking sensible health precautions...

...If the argument is we must do everything in our power to protect the elderly then were are already doing well. Federal Health Department data, first published in The Australian, shows that there were almost 1000 fewer deaths in residential aged care in the first seven months of this year than in the same time last year.

I sourced the same data from the department and received two a tables and a note.

"The lower number of deaths for this period in 2020 (32,398) compared to the same period in 2019 (33,383) is likely the result of increased influenza immunisation rates, and increased infection control protocols introduced during the COVID-19 pandemic," the health department note said.

So, why is it a crime for someone to die of COVID-19 in care but it's OK if they die of absolutely anything else?

This disease has revealed the character of our leaders and hammered home some uncomfortable truths about us as a people. As a nation we seem comfortable with authoritarianism and too many relish the role of prefect.

And nowhere in this often-opaque democracy has a less transparent court system, bureaucracy, police force or government than Victoria. The people there have been badly served, even as some revelled in the servitude. Its systems of power have combined to deliver the wanton destruction of its vibrant society. Its government has condemned its people to a poorer future, to higher unemployment, more poverty and less opportunity.

Rejoice. Dan Andrews has destroyed the village to save it.

The way that we have reacted to this disease as a nation is destroying the lives of the young in order to do everything they possibly could to save the lives of people in their eighties and nineties. Why? Why not just isolate those people and allow the rest of the economy to continue on as normal?

And all this will turn out to be for nothing if there's a third wave.

I am a volunteer in an aged care facility, the notion that you can "ring fence" an aged care home/nursing home is quite laughable, some of these nursing homes fall within the general community areas, if you have a massive outbreak in the community of Covid-19, regrettably, it will make it's way in to these facilities, ring fencing them means that the people that work in there will more or less have to live on site somewhere, or close by, these people also have families, to me, it's quite impractical.

With all due respect, that's why I think Andrews is taking the long way round to come out of lockdown, he wants to make absolutely certain that there will be NO third wave, If Victoria can get the numbers down to 10-15 cases per day say, that SHOULD be good enough for the contact tracers to do their job,  the only thing that worries me is, have Victoria now got better contact tracers than they had before, I sure darned hope so!!

All it will take is after the state goes back to 'normal', someone will fly in from India or China asymptomatic and infect hundreds of people before they're found and it'll be right back to Stage Four before you know it. Inevitable.

The way that we have reacted to this disease as a nation is destroying the lives of the young in order to do everything they possibly could to save the lives of people in their eighties and nineties. Why? Why not just isolate those people and allow the rest of the economy to continue on as normal?

And all this will turn out to be for nothing if there's a third wave.

With all due respect, that's why I think Andrews is taking the long way round to come out of lockdown, he wants to make absolutely certain that there will be NO third wave, If Victoria can get the numbers down to 10-15 cases per day say, that SHOULD be good enough for the contact tracers to do their job,  the only thing that worries me is, have Victoria now got better contact tracers than they had before, I sure darned hope so!!

All it will take is after the state goes back to 'normal', someone will fly in from India or China asymptomatic and infect hundreds of people before they're found and it'll be right back to Stage Four before you know it. Inevitable.

And you can bet the centerpiece of the Governments plan for economic recovery will involve pumping the country with increased immigration because the liberal party have no other ideas.

How does Daniel Andrews the CEO of Victoria not see 3 emails from the ADF offering support?  Answer: he cannot and did see them or was told of the offer without a doubt. Why did he not accept help from the ADF?  Unions?

I don't see Andrews being dumb enough to lie about it. To me, the 64 dollar question is exactly as NSWGR has asked - how could he not have seen them? If he didn't, I have to start wondering about the efficiency (or lack of) in the Premier's office. Whatever the answer, the buck still stops with Dan. There's gross inefficiency somewhere. (I wonder if he has his own equivalent of Peta Credlin).

With all due respect, that's why I think Andrews is taking the long way round to come out of lockdown, he wants to make absolutely certain that there will be NO third wave, If Victoria can get the numbers down to 10-15 cases per day say, that SHOULD be good enough for the contact tracers to do their job,  the only thing that worries me is, have Victoria now got better contact tracers than they had before, I sure darned hope so!!

All it will take is after the state goes back to 'normal', someone will fly in from India or China asymptomatic and infect hundreds of people before they're found and it'll be right back to Stage Four before you know it. Inevitable.

And you can bet the centerpiece of the Governments plan for economic recovery will involve pumping the country with increased immigration because the liberal party have no other ideas.

They're desperate to start flying in 'skilled' migrants (the ones that bring you Uber Eats) and foreign 'students' (96% of which work in low-skilled occupations after getting residency according to the Productivity Commission) because they think this is the only way to re-start the economy.

They can't be bothered even thinking about the 100,000 Aussie citizens trapped overseas and unable to get back here - they're just a sunk cost and a burden.

How does Daniel Andrews the CEO of Victoria not see 3 emails from the ADF offering support?  Answer: he cannot and did see them or was told of the offer without a doubt. Why did he not accept help from the ADF?  Unions?

I don't see Andrews being dumb enough to lie about it. To me, the 64 dollar question is exactly as NSWGR has asked - how could he not have seen them? If he didn't, I have to start wondering about the efficiency (or lack of) in the Premier's office. Whatever the answer, the buck still stops with Dan. There's gross inefficiency somewhere. (I wonder if he has his own equivalent of Peta Credlin).

How does Daniel Andrews the CEO of Victoria not see 3 emails from the ADF offering support?  Answer: he cannot and did see them or was told of the offer without a doubt. Why did he not accept help from the ADF?  Unions?

I don't see Andrews being dumb enough to lie about it. To me, the 64 dollar question is exactly as NSWGR has asked - how could he not have seen them? If he didn't, I have to start wondering about the efficiency (or lack of) in the Premier's office. Whatever the answer, the buck still stops with Dan. There's gross inefficiency somewhere. (I wonder if he has his own equivalent of Peta Credlin).

One really has to wonder about the competency of the bureaucracy and/or its coordination in Victoria.
Perhaps replace 'dumb' with 'devious' but either way there are too many unanswered questions.
When/if we get out of this Andrews will be declared either our saviour or an incompetent tyrant.
Nevertheless he seems our only chance at the moment.

How does Daniel Andrews the CEO of Victoria not see 3 emails from the ADF offering support?  Answer: he cannot and did see them or was told of the offer without a doubt. Why did he not accept help from the ADF?  Unions?

I don't see Andrews being dumb enough to lie about it. To me, the 64 dollar question is exactly as NSWGR has asked - how could he not have seen them? If he didn't, I have to start wondering about the efficiency (or lack of) in the Premier's office. Whatever the answer, the buck still stops with Dan. There's gross inefficiency somewhere. (I wonder if he has his own equivalent of Peta Credlin).

One really has to wonder about the competency of the bureaucracy and/or its coordination in Victoria.
Perhaps replace 'dumb' with 'devious' but either way there are too many unanswered questions.
When/if we get out of this Andrews will be declared either our saviour or an incompetent tyrant.
Nevertheless he seems our only chance at the moment.

As you say time will tell, at least Andrews will and allow officials to actually front up and answer questions.

Dictator Dan's growing list of public servants that don't support him: First the Police Commissioner, then the Chief Health Officer and now a senior bureaucrat from the Treasury:

An economist with the Victorian Department of Finance and Treasury has resigned so he can call out Labor Premier Dan Andrews’ handling of the pandemic and the “police state” imposed on Melbourne residents.