Daniel Andrews Imploding Act

 
  doyle Chief Commissioner

The Republic of Brown Hill, yet another split in the federation, they be printing their own money soon... the nodan currency

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  Carnot Minister for Railways

I honestly hope Dan's pre-emptive arrest laws are stopped by Parliament.  If not, the High Court of Australia needs to stop the megalomaniac.

It's almost as if he's using a virus to see how far he can go in abusing political power.
  Black Board Station Staff

I honestly hope Dan's pre-emptive arrest laws are stopped by Parliament.  If not, the High Court of Australia needs to stop the megalomaniac.

It's almost as if he's using a virus to see how far he can go in abusing political power.
Carnot
Expect them to roll over in exchange for a deal for their 'pet' cause/issue/project they can take to the next election in an attempt to sure up their job for their next term in the upper house - ensuring retention of your position and income for the future is the first priority.

Unfortunately the electorate have short memories, sigh.

I wonder if any other state will accept a request for asylum from Victoria?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I honestly hope Dan's pre-emptive arrest laws are stopped by Parliament.  If not, the High Court of Australia needs to stop the megalomaniac.

It's almost as if he's using a virus to see how far he can go in abusing political power.
Carnot
Maybe he knows he's likely bound to become a resident of Lara In coming years.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland

Do not forget that in the last 30 odd years many/most younger people were 'Jeffed'
YM-Mundrabilla
Don't forget the Labor Government before the Kennett Government had turned the State of Victoria Into a complete basket case, that lead to net decline In Victoria's population (Victorians moving Interstate)
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I honestly hope Dan's pre-emptive arrest laws are stopped by Parliament.  If not, the High Court of Australia needs to stop the megalomaniac.
Carnot
Hi Dan, just a reminder that it's the Commonwealth who controls the ADF. See you online for National Cabinet next Friday, Scotty.

Much simpler than the High Court.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I honestly hope Dan's pre-emptive arrest laws are stopped by Parliament.  If not, the High Court of Australia needs to stop the megalomaniac.
Hi Dan, just a reminder that it's the Commonwealth who controls the ADF. See you online for National Cabinet next Friday, Scotty.

Much simpler than the High Court.
justapassenger
We could resort to germ warfare.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
You have no job - not one that you're dependent on anyway. You don't have a small business. You're not trying to build a future for yourself or starting out in life like young Victorians are. You just want to preserve your own life, you have no interest whatsoever in how many people's livelihoods have to be destroyed in order to get that done.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell isn't it?
Nearly but not quite.  I am a Sole Trader, but where have I said anything dishonest?

Lesson in English from Oxford:-

"Dishonest:  Fraudulent, insincere . . ."

"Selfish: Deficient in consideration for others, thinking chiefly of one's own personal profit or pleasure . . ."

Instead of your customary yell of "semantics", look again. My statement was not fraudulent, and was definitely sincere.

You may well consider me selfish and that doesn't bother me because you don't know what I think and your opinion is irrelevant. Your misuse of "honesty" doesn't bother me either because it is completely wrong, and again, what you think doesn't matter.

It's just nice to hold you to account for your continuing misuse of the Queen's English.
Valvegear
It's dishonest because you have no problem with the economy - which the vast number of Victorians are actually dependent on (but not you) being destroyed in order to save YOUR life. You're not actually revealing that you have no interest in what happens to the economy - and apparently you don't give a tinker's cuss about those Victorians whose livelihoods have been destroyed by Dan Andrews.

You might think that I'm playing with semantics here but I think you've got a duty to reveal that your economic situation isn't affected one iota by Dan's decisions to ruin private business activity in your state - because unlike the vast majority of people you don't have skin in that game.

Good enough synopsis for 'ya?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
There you go again, ascribing feelings to people that they don't have, face it Don, you've done nothing but whinge and whine ever since this whole thing started! did you know that it's the same in the whole world, not just here? world leaders are grappling with how to get a handle on this, until a vaccine comes along, countries will have to deal with this the best they can.
And that's the issue right there, innit? There is no vaccine. There may never be a vaccine...The sooner we accept we will have to live with this Pestilence as best we can, the better off our economy and by default the nation and her (our) futures will be. There will be outbreaks. People will get sick. People will unfortunately die. But destroying the nation's future means the response to COVID is worse than COVID itself.

But for what we have done so far we might as well go back and tear up Federation, because apart from all paying the the GST, there's stuff all else we have in common anymore.
There will hopefully be a vaccine, the Astrazeneca Vaccine is looking very promising at the moment, and, if that one does not work out, there are other companies doing their darndest to get one.  I agree with you it's all about managing to live with it the best we can, yes there will indeed be outbreaks, but if you have the correct contact tracing teams in place, living with it should be easy, it's only when you have a massive outbreak of it that it becomes a problem.
lsrailfan
There might never be a vaccine in which case all this was for nothing.

Chew over that one for a while.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I don't want that happening here.

That's at the core of the issue for you though isn't it Valvegear. You're not 20 or 30 and starting out in life so having business shut down or losing your job doesn't affect you anyway.

A bit of honesty would be nice.
Could you please explain where I have been dishonest? I've expressed a wish; that seems honest to me.
You have no job - not one that you're dependent on anyway. You don't have a small business. You're not trying to build a future for yourself or starting out in life like young Victorians are. You just want to preserve your own life, you have no interest whatsoever in how many people's livelihoods have to be destroyed in order to get that done.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell isn't it?
There you go again, ascribing feelings to people that they don't have, face it Don, you've done nothing but whinge and whine ever since this whole thing started! did you know that it's the same in the whole world, not just here? world leaders are grappling with how to get a handle on this, until a vaccine comes along, countries will have to deal with this the best they can.
lsrailfan
Number one, I'm willing to bet you two bob to a pound of cocky poop that there won't be a vaccine in twelve months time - not a safe and proven one anyway.

Number two, locking people up for 'thought crime' (which is what Dan is presently proposing) under the guise of "but it's good for you because - the virus" is indeed a big problem and if you can't see that then frankly you're just plain dumb.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
It's dishonest because you have no problem with the economy which the vast number of Victorians are actually dependent on (but not you) being destroyed in order to save YOUR life. You're not actually revealing that you have no interest in what happens to the economy - and apparently you don't give a tinker's cuss about those Victorians whose livelihoods have been destroyed by Dan Andrews.
don_dunstan


Lesson in English from Oxford:- "Dishonest:  Fraudulent, insincere."
Valvegear


You do nothing but make false assertions about what I've actually said and I'm supposed to suck it up?
don_dunstan


It's the putting of words into my mouth that I resent.
don_dunstan


Stop making stuff up about me and I'll leave this matter alone . . .
don_dunstan


Where did I say that? You're worse than Shane with reading into things that simply aren't there.
don_dunstan
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

speedemon08
Also read this. Hadley 2gb, was harping on about this an hour ago, no mention of the dates, however. Surprised not.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
I don't want that happening here.

That's at the core of the issue for you though isn't it Valvegear. You're not 20 or 30 and starting out in life so having business shut down or losing your job doesn't affect you anyway.

A bit of honesty would be nice.
Could you please explain where I have been dishonest? I've expressed a wish; that seems honest to me.
You have no job - not one that you're dependent on anyway. You don't have a small business. You're not trying to build a future for yourself or starting out in life like young Victorians are. You just want to preserve your own life, you have no interest whatsoever in how many people's livelihoods have to be destroyed in order to get that done.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell isn't it?
There you go again, ascribing feelings to people that they don't have, face it Don, you've done nothing but whinge and whine ever since this whole thing started! did you know that it's the same in the whole world, not just here? world leaders are grappling with how to get a handle on this, until a vaccine comes along, countries will have to deal with this the best they can.
Number one, I'm willing to bet you two bob to a pound of cocky poop that there won't be a vaccine in twelve months time - not a safe and proven one anyway.

Number two, locking people up for 'thought crime' (which is what Dan is presently proposing) under the guise of "but it's good for you because - the virus" is indeed a big problem and if you can't see that then frankly you're just plain dumb.
don_dunstan
Maybe not in 12 months time, no, the quickest a vaccine has ever been produced is 4 years so I believe, but there will be a vaccine eventually, in the meantime, we have to live with this the best we can, most other countries around the world are having to do the same.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
herd immunity not real and impossible to achieve
doyle
Please, herd immunity was realised and documented when people had the time to notice such things between the end of WWI and the run up to WWII, that’s maybe (almost?) 100 years now. At least try and demonstrate some level of knowledge, you’ve literally had your whole life to read something on this topic, you cannot surely have chosen just this week to decide that you know something about this.

Ever seen rinderpest in cattle? No you have not, LITERALLY eradicated via herd immunity.

Got smallpox? No? Were you vaccinated for it? Probably not, so what is keeping you from getting smallpox tomorrow if herd immunity is not real or possible?

Likewise polio, did you get that? Do we have it today? It’s only present a couple of very small enclaves/countries. Unlike smallpox we still routinely vaccinate for it Australia, but the last wild case of polio in Australia was like, probably almost 50 years ago, if herd immunity is not real or possible, why do you think that is so? I work with a woman that had the misfortune to contract polio in Holland before emigrating to Australia. Were it not for her, nearly no one in my workplace would have ever seen a sufferer of polio, as it is most of the people in my workplace that have seen her probably wouldn’t even know that polio is why she has a non functioning arm.

But returning to smallpox, studying smallpox actually taught us something important, not only that herd immunity is real, and possible, but that it’s not needed in every case.

Smallpox in Nigeria taught us that ring immunity is enough, provided you get really good surrounding an outbreak with vaccinations and prevent external arrivals, you can shut down virus transmission. Nigeria couldn’t afford to vaccinate 80% of the entire population, this was somewhat before Bill and Melinda had many dollars to generously toss toward it, so instead they vaccinated 100% of people in a ‘ring’ around an infected person - sort of like a mini herd of immunity around an outbreak. In doing so, Nigeria successfully eliminated smallpox despite only vaccinating maybe 50% of the population.

And a pointless trivia:

I went close to getting ACAM2000 (I actually hoped it would be dryvax - the ‘classic’ 1930’s smallpox vaccine) which is the current smallpox vaccine of choice, when a friend was going to be doing some research that made it prudent for her to have it, but the research fell through and it never happened - she, and those around her (and hopefully me) would have been in maybe only a few thousand, maybe even only a few hundred in Australia to have been given the ‘current’ vaccine for smallpox.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
It's dishonest because you have no problem with the economy which the vast number of Victorians are actually dependent on (but not you) being destroyed in order to save YOUR life. You're not actually revealing that you have no interest in what happens to the economy - and apparently you don't give a tinker's cuss about those Victorians whose livelihoods have been destroyed by Dan Andrews.


Lesson in English from Oxford:- "Dishonest:  Fraudulent, insincere."


You do nothing but make false assertions about what I've actually said and I'm supposed to suck it up?


It's the putting of words into my mouth that I resent.


Stop making stuff up about me and I'll leave this matter alone . . .


Where did I say that? You're worse than Shane with reading into things that simply aren't there.
Valvegear
... and now you're desperately trying to distract from the fact that I hit the nail right on the head.

Your life being protected from the dreaded COVID19 is more important that the hundreds of thousands of Victorians whose livelihoods have been utterly destroyed.

A simple 'yes' or 'no' will suffice.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I don't want that happening here.

That's at the core of the issue for you though isn't it Valvegear. You're not 20 or 30 and starting out in life so having business shut down or losing your job doesn't affect you anyway.

A bit of honesty would be nice.
Could you please explain where I have been dishonest? I've expressed a wish; that seems honest to me.
You have no job - not one that you're dependent on anyway. You don't have a small business. You're not trying to build a future for yourself or starting out in life like young Victorians are. You just want to preserve your own life, you have no interest whatsoever in how many people's livelihoods have to be destroyed in order to get that done.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell isn't it?
There you go again, ascribing feelings to people that they don't have, face it Don, you've done nothing but whinge and whine ever since this whole thing started! did you know that it's the same in the whole world, not just here? world leaders are grappling with how to get a handle on this, until a vaccine comes along, countries will have to deal with this the best they can.
Number one, I'm willing to bet you two bob to a pound of cocky poop that there won't be a vaccine in twelve months time - not a safe and proven one anyway.

Number two, locking people up for 'thought crime' (which is what Dan is presently proposing) under the guise of "but it's good for you because - the virus" is indeed a big problem and if you can't see that then frankly you're just plain dumb.
Maybe not in 12 months time, no, the quickest a vaccine has ever been produced is 4 years so I believe, but there will be a vaccine eventually, in the meantime, we have to live with this the best we can, most other countries around the world are having to do the same.
lsrailfan
What about another 10 years of stage four lock-downs? Do you think that's achievable?
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Aaron please

Should of been a bit more clear herd immunity against covid I'm saying it will be difficult without a massive loss of life and I'm definitely not confident for a vaccine
So as of this week I reckon this won't be achieved any time soon

Are you saying that herd immunity with covid is possible? When?

I wasn't talking about smallcox

Some pretty pictures included

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/gp-opinion/herd-immunity-for-covid-19-is-still-a-terrible-ide
What will happen if we can't produce a coronavirus vaccine? And is herd immunity the answer?[color=#310099]The Conversation
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COVID-19 vaccines in development. Almost all government strategies for dealing with the coronavirus pandemic are based on the idea that one of these vaccine candidates will eventually provide widespread protection against the virus and enable us all to return to our normal lives.[/size][/color]
But there's no guarantee that this will happen. Even in the [color=#310099]most promising cases[/color], we can't yet be sure that any vaccine will permanently prevent people from catching COVID-19 and enable the disease to be gradually eradicated or at least contained to limited outbreaks.
Vaccines may just reduce the severity of symptoms or provide temporary protection. So what will happen if this is the case?
Some people have argued that when enough of the population have caught COVID-19, and produced an immune response to it, we will have reached "herd immunity" and the virus will no longer be able to spread.
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But this is a misunderstanding of what herd immunity means and how viruses spread and so is not a realistic aim for COVID-19 control.
Herd immunity is what enables us to eliminate diseases using vaccines. The percentage of a population who need be to be vaccinated to reach herd immunity [color=#310099]is calculated[/color] using the basic reproductive rate (R0).
This is the average number of people that each person who catches the disease would naturally pass it on to without any medical or public health interventions, taking into account how infectious the disease is and how it is spread.
The higher the R0 number, the more people need to become immune through vaccination to halt the spread. You also need to allow for the fact that some people cannot have the vaccine for medical reasons and [color=#310099]some will refuse it[/color].
Herd immunity can't be achieved by natural infectionNumerous diseases have been eliminated in many countries thanks to herd immunity produced by vaccination programmes. But herd immunity is not something that can be achieved by natural infection.
Take the example of measles, which is caused by a virus that has been around in humans for centuries. It is highly infectious — the R0 value is 15.
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This means that on average one child with measles can infect 15 others. As a result, [color=#310099]around 95 per cent[/color] of people need to be resistant to the disease for a population to achieve herd immunity.
Most people who recover from a measles infection produce a good immune response that protects them for the rest of their life. And yet, before vaccination, measles was a very common childhood disease.
Each new generation of children were susceptible and not enough people naturally became resistant to produce herd immunity.
In the 1930s, there was a [color=#310099]temporary herd immunity effect[/color] recorded in one location in the US.
But this was an exception, and so most countries rolled out universal measles vaccination programmes that have enabled them to come close to [color=#310099]eliminating the disease[/color].
[color=#310099]Scientists think[/color] that the R0 value for SARS-CoV-2 is between 4 and 6, which is similar to that of the rubella virus. The level of vaccination needed to produce herd immunity to and eliminate rubella is 85 per cent.
Read more about coronavirus: Coronavirus natural immunityWe know that [color=#310099]other coronaviruses[/color] (including Sars, Mers and some cold viruses), don't produce a lasting immune response like measles does.
And [color=#310099]studies of COVID-19[/color] show that, even in hot spots where there have been large numbers of cases and deaths in the last few months, less than 10 per cent of the population show evidence of an immune response from the infection.
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This suggests that the natural rates of resistance are a long way from the 85 per cent that could be needed for herd immunity.
And that means that, without a vaccine, the virus could become endemic, permanently present in the population like the coronaviruses that cause colds.
[color=#310099]Research shows[/color] some people can get the same strain of a common cold coronavirus more than once in a single year.
And most countries have seen outbreaks of COVID-19 even when they thought they had the infection more or less under control.
So it is possible that the ongoing pattern for COVID-19 will be more local pockets of infection, with even more cases likely during the winter months.
Unless the first cases are found and isolated quickly though, these pockets will probably spread over quite wide geographical areas.
We could be facing the threat for some timeThis is why it is vital to continue to use [color=#310099]public health measures[/color] such as social distancing, wearing masks and washing hands to reduce the virus to such low levels that any new outbreaks can be easily contained.
Ideally, if this were successful, the virus might eventually die out because it could no longer spread, as happened with the SARS-CoV virus behind the [color=#310099]2002-2004 outbreak of Sars[/color].
It is vital to continue to use public health measures such as social distancing, wearing masks and washing hands to reduce the virus.(ABC News: Margaret Burin)But COVID-19 is more contagious and less deadly and so is much harder to control than Sars, so eliminating it this way [color=#310099]may not be possible either[/color].
Given that [color=#310099]at least 700,000[/color] people have died from COVID-19 worldwide so far and many people are reporting [color=#310099]long-term illness[/color] as a result of the disease, if the virus does become endemic we should still try to prevent as much infection as possible.
A vaccine could provide a way to end the pandemic, but with no prospect of natural herd immunity we could well be facing the threat of COVID-19 for a long time to come.
Sarah Pitt is Principal Lecturer, Microbiology and Biomedical Science Practice, Fellow of the Institute of Biomedical Science, University of Brighton. This article originally appeared on [color=#310099]The Conversation[/color].

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  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

It's dishonest because you have no problem with the economy which the vast number of Victorians are actually dependent on (but not you) being destroyed in order to save YOUR life. You're not actually revealing that you have no interest in what happens to the economy - and apparently you don't give a tinker's cuss about those Victorians whose livelihoods have been destroyed by Dan Andrews.


Lesson in English from Oxford:- "Dishonest:  Fraudulent, insincere."


You do nothing but make false assertions about what I've actually said and I'm supposed to suck it up?


It's the putting of words into my mouth that I resent.


Stop making stuff up about me and I'll leave this matter alone . . .


Where did I say that? You're worse than Shane with reading into things that simply aren't there.
... and now you're desperately trying to distract from the fact that I hit the nail right on the head.

Your life being protected from the dreaded COVID19 is more important that the hundreds of thousands of Victorians whose livelihoods have been utterly destroyed.

A simple 'yes' or 'no' will suffice.
don_dunstan
Don. You are such a drama queen. Bit like that Sydney shock jock aka "the parrot."
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
It's dishonest because you have no problem with the economy which the vast number of Victorians are actually dependent on (but not you) being destroyed in order to save YOUR life. You're not actually revealing that you have no interest in what happens to the economy - and apparently you don't give a tinker's cuss about those Victorians whose livelihoods have been destroyed by Dan Andrews.


Lesson in English from Oxford:- "Dishonest:  Fraudulent, insincere."


You do nothing but make false assertions about what I've actually said and I'm supposed to suck it up?


It's the putting of words into my mouth that I resent.


Stop making stuff up about me and I'll leave this matter alone . . .


Where did I say that? You're worse than Shane with reading into things that simply aren't there.
... and now you're desperately trying to distract from the fact that I hit the nail right on the head.

Your life being protected from the dreaded COVID19 is more important that the hundreds of thousands of Victorians whose livelihoods have been utterly destroyed.

A simple 'yes' or 'no' will suffice.
Don. You are such a drama queen. Bit like that Sydney shock jock aka "the parrot."
nswtrains
What does this have to do with you?

Fair enough that Valvegear is concerned about his own mortality but for God's sake the cost of doing that is ENORMOUS. There are hundreds of thousands of people starting out in life in Victoria whose lives and livelihoods have been completely destroyed in order to achieve this - this cost needs to be acknowledged.

And its invariable the young who are paying the greatest price to protect the old - again.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
I don't want that happening here.

That's at the core of the issue for you though isn't it Valvegear. You're not 20 or 30 and starting out in life so having business shut down or losing your job doesn't affect you anyway.

A bit of honesty would be nice.
Could you please explain where I have been dishonest? I've expressed a wish; that seems honest to me.
You have no job - not one that you're dependent on anyway. You don't have a small business. You're not trying to build a future for yourself or starting out in life like young Victorians are. You just want to preserve your own life, you have no interest whatsoever in how many people's livelihoods have to be destroyed in order to get that done.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell isn't it?
There you go again, ascribing feelings to people that they don't have, face it Don, you've done nothing but whinge and whine ever since this whole thing started! did you know that it's the same in the whole world, not just here? world leaders are grappling with how to get a handle on this, until a vaccine comes along, countries will have to deal with this the best they can.
Number one, I'm willing to bet you two bob to a pound of cocky poop that there won't be a vaccine in twelve months time - not a safe and proven one anyway.

Number two, locking people up for 'thought crime' (which is what Dan is presently proposing) under the guise of "but it's good for you because - the virus" is indeed a big problem and if you can't see that then frankly you're just plain dumb.
Maybe not in 12 months time, no, the quickest a vaccine has ever been produced is 4 years so I believe, but there will be a vaccine eventually, in the meantime, we have to live with this the best we can, most other countries around the world are having to do the same.
What about another 10 years of stage four lock-downs? Do you think that's achievable?
don_dunstan
You really are clutching at straws, aren't you? Victoria will get back to some sense of normality before the end of the year, if you really think that it will be 10 years of further lockdowns, you're kidding yourself!
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
What about another 10 years of stage four lock-downs? Do you think that's achievable?
You really are clutching at straws, aren't you? Victoria will get back to some sense of normality before the end of the year, if you really think that it will be 10 years of further lockdowns, you're kidding yourself!
lsrailfan
IF you think this thing is going to go away you're kidding yourself. All it will take is another 'super spreader' like that family in Casey or that taxi driver in Sydney and it's off to the races again.

There's years more of this thing ahead of us.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
What about another 10 years of stage four lock-downs? Do you think that's achievable?
You really are clutching at straws, aren't you? Victoria will get back to some sense of normality before the end of the year, if you really think that it will be 10 years of further lockdowns, you're kidding yourself!
IF you think this thing is going to go away you're kidding yourself. All it will take is another 'super spreader' like that family in Casey or that taxi driver in Sydney and it's off to the races again.

There's years more of this thing ahead of us.
don_dunstan
The Taxi driver in Sydney has not caused an issue for us at all, the thing is Don, we have far better contact tracers up here than what they do in Mexico, that is fact!! I know this is not going to away anytime soon, that is why a vaccine is most important.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

It's dishonest because you have no problem with the economy which the vast number of Victorians are actually dependent on (but not you) being destroyed in order to save YOUR life. You're not actually revealing that you have no interest in what happens to the economy - and apparently you don't give a tinker's cuss about those Victorians whose livelihoods have been destroyed by Dan Andrews.


Lesson in English from Oxford:- "Dishonest:  Fraudulent, insincere."


You do nothing but make false assertions about what I've actually said and I'm supposed to suck it up?


It's the putting of words into my mouth that I resent.


Stop making stuff up about me and I'll leave this matter alone . . .


Where did I say that? You're worse than Shane with reading into things that simply aren't there.
... and now you're desperately trying to distract from the fact that I hit the nail right on the head.

Your life being protected from the dreaded COVID19 is more important that the hundreds of thousands of Victorians whose livelihoods have been utterly destroyed.

A simple 'yes' or 'no' will suffice.
Don. You are such a drama queen. Bit like that Sydney shock jock aka "the parrot."
What does this have to do with you?

Fair enough that Valvegear is concerned about his own mortality but for God's sake the cost of doing that is ENORMOUS. There are hundreds of thousands of people starting out in life in Victoria whose lives and livelihoods have been completely destroyed in order to achieve this - this cost needs to be acknowledged.

And its invariable the young who are paying the greatest price to protect the old - again.
don_dunstan
Don, someone posted here that, the fatality per rate of infection here in OZ was 0.62% IIRC.
Open to correction. Those numbers are people’s lives. If that is acceptable, are you prepared to be the sacrificial lamb and take one for the team?
A simple yes or no will suffice.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
What does this have to do with you?

Fair enough that Valvegear is concerned about his own mortality but for God's sake the cost of doing that is ENORMOUS. There are hundreds of thousands of people starting out in life in Victoria whose lives and livelihoods have been completely destroyed in order to achieve this - this cost needs to be acknowledged.

And its invariable the young who are paying the greatest price to protect the old - again.
Don, someone posted here that, the fatality per rate of infection here in OZ was 0.62% IIRC.
Open to correction. Those numbers are people’s lives. If that is acceptable, are you prepared to be the sacrificial lamb and take one for the team?
A simple yes or no will suffice.
michaelgm
Yes.

The median age of COVID fatalities is 83 and they nearly always - ALWAYS - have comorbidity factors. If I was 83 and already very sick with something else then I think I'd just accept that my time had come.

Wouldn't you?

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