V/Line Incidents/Disruptions #2

 
  route14 Chief Commissioner

So why can Seymour trains get around metropolitan works while Shepparton trains can't?

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  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
So why can Seymour trains get around metropolitan works while Shepparton trains can't?
route14
Because the V Line person who was on duty at the time doesn't know which way they go?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Well here's as good a place as any to put this

A BIG should out to the driver (or anyone who knows the driver) of tonight's 17.06 Up ex Castlemaine

That was some mighty fine driving. Enjoyed every minuter of it!
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Well here's as good a place as any to put this

A BIG shout out to the driver (or anyone who knows the driver) of tonight's 17.06 Up ex Castlemaine

That was some mighty fine driving. Enjoyed every minute of it!
  jakar Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Well here's as good a place as any to put this

A BIG shout out to the driver (or anyone who knows the driver) of tonight's 17.06 Up ex Castlemaine

That was some mighty fine driving. Enjoyed every minute of it!
BrentonGolding
It was a Melbourne driver according the roster. Curious to know what was good about it?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Well here's as good a place as any to put this

A BIG shout out to the driver (or anyone who knows the driver) of tonight's 17.06 Up ex Castlemaine

That was some mighty fine driving. Enjoyed every minute of it!
It was a Melbourne driver according the roster. Curious to know what was good about it?
jakar
Hey Jakar,

I have noted before that there is a myriad of driving styles that I experience in my travels. Recently I have had a series of possibly newer drivers or trainees and you can really sense the tentativeness and reticence in some of them.

The big difference with drivers like I had on Friday is how they keep the thing moving really nicely as line speed allows, smooth but decisive stops and starts and in sections which I assume require a fair mix of skill and attention to get right (like traversing the double crossovers from the Metro line over to the RRL on the Up side of Albion) you really feel like the train is travelling like it and the track speeds were designed for.

Most people wouldn't even notice I don't suppose but for me it is a real seat of the pants thing and Friday was one of the best trips I have had for a long while.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I have noted before that there is a myriad of driving styles that I experience in my travels. Recently I have had a series of possibly newer drivers or trainees and you can really sense the tentativeness and reticence in some of them.

The big difference with drivers like I had on Friday is how they keep the thing moving really nicely as line speed allows, smooth but decisive stops and starts and in sections which I assume require a fair mix of skill and attention to get right (like traversing the double crossovers from the Metro line over to the RRL on the Up side of Albion) you really feel like the train is travelling like it and the track speeds were designed for.

Most people wouldn't even notice I don't suppose but for me it is a real seat of the pants thing and Friday was one of the best trips I have had for a long while.
BrentonGolding
I agree entirely. I had a similar run on the northbound XPT years ago. We had lost a lot of time on the Melbourne-Junee leg, and the driver who came on at Junee proceeded to drive beautifully - very smooth in all his movements, and it was educational to see him pulling back the lost time. I remember thinking, "This bloke is good." At each intermediate stop we were gaining, and he pulled into Central right on time. I had the chance to thank him as I walked past which took him a little by surprise.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Valvegear I had the chance to thank him as I walked past which took him a little by surprise.
That's funny, back in the days when I used to go all the way to Southern Cross, pulling into P16 I would walk right past the drivers cab in the rush to the escalators and on occasion would give a thumbs up and a "nice work" or "nice piece of driving that" to the driver as he did the post trip prep and I thought the same thing - maybe they don't think anyone notices or cares about driving skills!
  jakar Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Hey Jakar,

I have noted before that there is a myriad of driving styles that I experience in my travels. Recently I have had a series of possibly newer drivers or trainees and you can really sense the tentativeness and reticence in some of them.

The big difference with drivers like I had on Friday is how they keep the thing moving really nicely as line speed allows, smooth but decisive stops and starts and in sections which I assume require a fair mix of skill and attention to get right (like traversing the double crossovers from the Metro line over to the RRL on the Up side of Albion) you really feel like the train is travelling like it and the track speeds were designed for.

Most people wouldn't even notice I don't suppose but for me it is a real seat of the pants thing and Friday was one of the best trips I have had for a long while.
BrentonGolding
Thanks for the explanation Brenton, I was genuinely curious as according to its history it slightly lost time after Castlemaine, could have been from dwell time though.

As you noted everyone has their own style of driving, some are appalling (traveled per to Geelong recently with a Geelong driver on a Vlo and he was powering and braking in places that simply didn't need it which resulted in a rough ride) but some (I would like to think most) take pride in their job. I drive a Velocity like I do a loco using momentum and minimal braking to try and be at line speed as much as possible but also be as smooth as possible because if I was back in the saloon trying to sleep or read that is what I would want myself. It sound like the driver you had would be similar.

The key to that though is knowing the track back to front and knowing how many km/h the train will lose/gain going up and down hills and undulations and also knowing where abouts in the timetable is it really tight between stations or if there is a bit of padding. To use your example at Albion, if I get a clear medium speed with the illuminated 65 to go from the Metro lines to the RRL I try and go past the signal at 63km/h as I know the train will increase speed by 2km/h before the next signal, any faster than 63km/h will require a short but unnecessary brake application. If you ever get a driver that is constantly on and off the power and brakes its a good indication that they don't know the track well enough or simply don't care.

I had the chance to thank him as I walked past which took him a little by surprise.
Valvegear

That's funny, back in the days when I used to go all the way to Southern Cross, pulling into P16 I would walk right past the drivers cab in the rush to the escalators and on occasion would give a thumbs up and a "nice work" or "nice piece of driving that" to the driver as he did the post trip prep and I thought the same thing - maybe they don't think anyone notices or cares about driving skills!
BrentonGolding

Good on you both for doing this, its highly amusing pulling into a station 2 minutes late and have people tapping their watches looking at you, yet when you get into SCS sometimes 10 minutes early nobody says a thing!
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Apparently a Sprinter has come to grief at Broadmeadows...
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Pretty much everything cancelled on the Bendigo line this AM due to "track contamination". I wonder what that means.......
  NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Pretty much everything cancelled on the Bendigo line this AM due to "track contamination". I wonder what that means.......
BrentonGolding

Did a sprinter collide with a track side structure causing damage to the sprinter?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Pretty much everything cancelled on the Bendigo line this AM due to "track contamination". I wonder what that means.......
BrentonGolding
Loaded PN grainy ex-Woorinen failed at Ravenswood.  A bit of an oil slick apparently...  International rescue has gone to retrieve it.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Pretty much everything cancelled on the Bendigo line this AM due to "track contamination". I wonder what that means.......
Loaded PN grainy ex-Woorinen failed at Ravenswood.  A bit of an oil slick apparently...  International rescue has gone to retrieve it.
Carnot
On the loop according to sources and made a right old mess of both tracks. By the time I arrived into town on the replacement coach at around 10am the trains had just started running again but none had made it to Castlemaine yet and it was still busses in both directions from here.

Will make a nice mess of the timetable for most of the day I would imagine although Up and Down AM Swanners were cancelled so they may use the stabled sets at either end to run the PMs to timetable and all Bendigo overnight stabled Velos would be avl to run Up services so maybe not too bad
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger

As you noted everyone has their own style of driving, some are appalling (traveled per to Geelong recently with a Geelong driver on a Vlo and he was powering and braking in places that simply didn't need it which resulted in a rough ride) but some (I would like to think most) take pride in their job. I drive a Velocity like I do a loco using momentum and minimal braking to try and be at line speed as much as possible but also be as smooth as possible because if I was back in the saloon trying to sleep or read that is what I would want myself. It sound like the driver you had would be similar.

The key to that though is knowing the track back to front and knowing how many km/h the train will lose/gain going up and down hills and undulations and also knowing where abouts in the timetable is it really tight between stations or if there is a bit of padding. To use your example at Albion, if I get a clear medium speed with the illuminated 65 to go from the Metro lines to the RRL I try and go past the signal at 63km/h as I know the train will increase speed by 2km/h before the next signal, any faster than 63km/h will require a short but unnecessary brake application. If you ever get a driver that is constantly on and off the power and brakes its a good indication that they don't know the track well enough or simply don't care.
jakar
Jakar I am bringing this up from last month, but I really want to say how much I appreciate your route knowledge and your ability to apply it. Keep up the great work!
  jakar Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Thank you TOQ-1.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

LX crossing incident at Inverleigh involving SCT freighter today. Driver of Camry survived. Remarkably.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
On the AM Down Swanners this morning or should I say Down Bendigo because it is a 3 car V/Locity this morning presumably due to a fail

Speaking of fails I assume one of the AM Up Melton / Wyndham Vale services was a non starter this morning as an N Class hauling what looked like a 6 car H set ran express through Footscray on the UP this morning empty cars

***edit*** We don't need to worry about on time running this morning as a V/Locity can make up a heap of time as posted before but it was a bit odd crawling towards Sunbury and then almost coming to a complete stop on the centre (through) track waiting I assume for someone to set the road and flick the stick over to Green for us. This is still in Metro territory so I can only speculate that someone at Metrol was grabbing a cawfee Laughing
  route14 Chief Commissioner

So if an N class + N set gets replaced by a VLocity it can't continue past Bendigo?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Correct.  No V/locities allowed beyond Eaglehawk.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Is there a known issue or is it just because there has been no clearance test conducted beyond?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

N sets can do 100 km/h, but LX crossing limitations mean just 80 for V/lo on Swan Hill line if they were allowed.
  jakar Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
On the AM Down Swanners this morning or should I say Down Bendigo because it is a 3 car V/Locity this morning presumably due to a fail

Speaking of fails I assume one of the AM Up Melton / Wyndham Vale services was a non starter this morning as an N Class hauling what looked like a 6 car H set ran express through Footscray on the UP this morning empty cars  
BrentonGolding
There was a defective AGS on the Swan Hill set which was why you had a V/Locity today, and the UP ex-Melton you saw had a defective HEP which was why it ran empty cars back to SCS.
  Carnot Minister for Railways
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
On the AM Down Swanners this morning or should I say Down Bendigo because it is a 3 car V/Locity this morning presumably due to a fail

Speaking of fails I assume one of the AM Up Melton / Wyndham Vale services was a non starter this morning as an N Class hauling what looked like a 6 car H set ran express through Footscray on the UP this morning empty cars  
There was a defective AGS on the Swan Hill set which was why you had a V/Locity today, and the UP ex-Melton you saw had a defective HEP which was why it ran empty cars back to SCS.
jakar
I have no desire to know what an AGS is?

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