The corona virus COVID-19

 
  doyle Deputy Commissioner

Yep that was my take on it as well

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  doyle Deputy Commissioner

10 to 20 days
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Interesting news from India.  Up to 60 million may have contracted COVID-19, most of whom were probably undiagnosed:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/30/asia/india-covid-antibody-study-intl-hnk-scli/index.html
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Interesting news from India.  Up to 60 million may have contracted COVID-19, most of whom were probably undiagnosed:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/30/asia/india-covid-antibody-study-intl-hnk-scli/index.html
Carnot
It will take a long time to do this, but I feel they will eventually add up all the figures in India.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Interesting news from India.  Up to 60 million may have contracted COVID-19, most of whom were probably undiagnosed:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/30/asia/india-covid-antibody-study-intl-hnk-scli/index.html
It will take a long time to do this, but I feel they will eventually add up all the figures in India.
lsrailfan
India has quite an effective public service (their most recent census was smoother than ours) so I expect it will be surprisingly quick.

It will probably be more accurate than the tallies in certain Western countries.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Yep. The question also remains, if Victoria opens up earlier just because the Feds say so, and a third wave eventuates, are the Feds willing to pay for it?
The feds are already paying for it. If Vic had to pay for this solo they would go bankrupt.
....what makes you think it would be any different if there were to be a third wave?
BrentonGolding
If that was true, Vic would open up tomorrow, knowing that someone else would pay for it. Wouldn't you???

Andrews is saving the feds plenty by holding firm now.
"DirtyBallast"


Its not about the money and I'm when Andrews log's into his National Cabinet ZOOM meeting there is alot of flak thrown his way by his fellow Premiers, note most of the ones with closed borders are ALP.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
CV-19 testing prior to departure to and on arrival in Australia will not necessarily detect all cases. It’s entirely possible that a person could be exposed, be tested for departure, arrive and be tested before infection has set in sufficiently to test positive.

For sure still test and deny departure/arrival to Australia on the basis of a positive test, but quarantine and tracing on arrival will still be needed.
"Aaron"


The ABC data shows that right now most new cases in Australia are actually returning Australian's, around 30-50 or so people a week of the 2000 arriving or 2.5%. That's a pretty high number and completely out of proportion with world infection rates and more to the point mostly avoidable and thus eliminate most of the need for hotel stays.

If we assume the virus is active/contagious for just 14 days (its actually longer) in the body and the test is done within 72 h prior to departure, then that is 4/5 of cases eliminated from flying.

As most flights from EU, ME, America's and middle Asia are quite long flights plus the delay since the first test being a few days, then a further test on arrival should be sufficient to eliminate nearly all potential cases.

Requirement to self quarantine for a few days and use a mobile phone tracking device or locked on device can also be used and this is backed up by large fines as applied by other countries and actually works.

These are just some options, there are plenty more that does not involve 14 days in a hotel because we were do F'n lazy to even try.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Yep. The question also remains, if Victoria opens up earlier just because the Feds say so, and a third wave eventuates, are the Feds willing to pay for it?
The feds are already paying for it. If Vic had to pay for this solo they would go bankrupt.
....what makes you think it would be any different if there were to be a third wave?
If that was true, Vic would open up tomorrow, knowing that someone else would pay for it. Wouldn't you???

Andrews is saving the feds plenty by holding firm now.
It was you who asked the question, I simply answered it. Now you are asking a different question because you didn't like the answer to the first?

Would this be the same Andrews who got us into this mess in the first place? On hang on, sorry, I just remembered, he didn't get us here because he didn't make the decision that led to the HQ debacle. And neither it seems did any of the other dozen or so of our cabinet ministers or top public servants who were supposed to be keeping us safe. In fact it seems that no-one did. Yet here we are.......
You asked a question after my first one, which I responded to with another one attached to my statement. Your answer was nonsensical because you know damn well that Jobkeeper is about to be permanently scaled back.

This discussion we are having between us has nothing to do with the mess or otherwise attributable to Andrews, it is about whether, for example, the Feds will extend JobKeeper for those who need it if a third wave eventuates. I say they should but they have never hinted that they might, which is a worry. If the Feds could actually force restrictions in Victoria to be eased, and a third wave does eventuate because of that, will they admit that they are then responsible for the consequences?
permanently? Who says? This whole thing is a moving feast. A deliberate attempt on your part to move the conversation away from your beloved ALP to someone, anyone else!!! If you think the Feds are going to say no way Jose to extending Jobkeeper if (forbid) a 3rd wave eventuates in Vic you clearly don't understand politics or economics.

Keep flying that Red Flag Comrade, Someone has to.
BrentonGolding
Take a pill. Time will tell whether the Feds dip into their pockets again (I still suspect that they won't). I'm only going by what Morrison has said over and over again regarding Jobkeeper in that it must end sooner rather than later. His words, not mine.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Its not about the money and I'm when Andrews log's into his National Cabinet ZOOM meeting there is alot of flak thrown his way by his fellow Premiers, note most of the ones with closed borders are ALP.
RTT_Rules
3 Liberal states are closed to Victorians (the three surrounding Victoria, coincidentally) and 2 ALP states.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Take a pill. Time will tell whether the Feds dip into their pockets again (I still suspect that they won't). I'm only going by what Morrison has said over and over again regarding Jobkeeper in that it must end sooner rather than later. His words, not mine.
DirtyBallast
Already took my pill this morning with a Latte and some Muesli but ta very much for the reminder, so considerate!

As for the PM, to miss-quote Mandy Rice-Davies "Well he would say that, wouldn't he?"

Of course the Feds will want to stop the budget bleeding as much as possible and will therefore be looking to every opportunity to talk up cut backs to the insane amount of extra expenditure that they are incurring as a result of the virus.

Speaking of which the higher than budgeted iron ore price that has kept the WA budget in surplus despite the largesse being handed out to try to deal with the pandemic has obviously also flowed into the Federal arena but unfortunately the increased revenues barely touch the sides of the National accounts

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-30/iron-ore-prices-set-to-steel-budget-against-bigger-deficit/12714134
  doyle Deputy Commissioner

Now hearing about 'long covid' on ABC News 24 today 1st Oct some hospitalised with covid still having issues and some whom had covid and not hospitalised and having issues showing up now, otherwise usually healthy pre covid.
Living with covid, let it run, open up the economy

I tells ya all for ages now, stupid to open economy!!! False economy
health issues now and we'll into the future that's gunna cost big $$$

Sick of these business owners on the telly night after night saying open up but same business owners don't have a plan other to open up
A beat up from MSM

5 minutes of sunshine is real

This country of ours is in a unique position build a ducking wall
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Went down to Merri Creek track yesterday on another recce mission. All within 5km of course and with mask.

I was amazed that at least 50% of people are now blatantly not wearing masks correctly or just have them down. I knew that some people would start wavering on masks as soon as the weather warmed up, but this was extraordinary: peoples mask wearing was clearly tokenistic.

Has there also been a rule passed that 20-something year old attractive women are totally exempt from wearing masks provided they are wearing exercise tights...even if just walking with their friends?

In my apartment block, people are now not bothering to mask when going from the basement carpark to the their flat.

Good luck enforcing masks over summer. Not going to happen.
  doyle Deputy Commissioner

Having trouble myself with the mask emphysema, sinus season and a bit of heat, ventolin working well
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Went down to Merri Creek track yesterday on another recce mission. All within 5km of course and with mask.

I was amazed that at least 50% of people are now blatantly not wearing masks correctly or just have them down. I knew that some people would start wavering on masks as soon as the weather warmed up, but this was extraordinary: peoples mask wearing was clearly tokenistic.

Has there also been a rule passed that 20-something year old attractive women are totally exempt from wearing masks provided they are wearing exercise tights...even if just walking with their friends?

In my apartment block, people are now not bothering to mask when going from the basement carpark to the their flat.

Good luck enforcing masks over summer. Not going to happen.
Mr. Lane
Absolutely correct Mr Lane the same goes for the Moonee Ponds Creek track.

Didn't you know that young females are exempt from wearing masks as are a lesser proportion of 'macho' males?

Much of the population just gets dumber by the day. Only mugs obey the law here in Victoria.

Masks would appear to be one of the most effective means of preventing the spread of Covid and, despite being the easiest to enforce, (you are either wearing a mask properly or you are not). All it needs is a handful of plain clothes police on bikes and they would make a fortune in fines and perhaps save a few lives and jobs in the process.

The foregoing would, of course, infringe someone's civil liberty so let's not worry how many who have no civil liberties are infected by those who clearly have them all.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Went down to Merri Creek track yesterday on another recce mission. All within 5km of course and with mask.

I was amazed that at least 50% of people are now blatantly not wearing masks correctly or just have them down. I knew that some people would start wavering on masks as soon as the weather warmed up, but this was extraordinary: peoples mask wearing was clearly tokenistic.

Has there also been a rule passed that 20-something year old attractive women are totally exempt from wearing masks provided they are wearing exercise tights...even if just walking with their friends?

In my apartment block, people are now not bothering to mask when going from the basement carpark to the their flat.

Good luck enforcing masks over summer. Not going to happen.
Mr. Lane
Absolutely correct Mr Lane the same goes for the Moonee Ponds Creek track.

Didn't you know that young females are exempt from wearing masks as are a lesser proportion of 'macho' males?

Much of the population just gets dumber by the day. Only mugs obey the law here in Victoria.

Masks would appear to be one of the most effective means of preventing the spread of Covid and, despite being the easiest to enforce, (you are either wearing a mask properly or you are not). All it needs is a handful of plain clothes police on bikes and they would make a fortune in fines and perhaps save a few lives and jobs in the process.

The foregoing would, of course, infringe someone's civil liberty so let's not worry how many who have no civil liberties are infected by those who clearly have them all.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
At Yarra Bend Park today (within the 5 km limit), it was better than both YM and Mr Lane reported on their respective patches. One group of the young and beautiful had masks hanging around their necks, and a couple of the young and macho on skateboards had no masks at all. They were falling off frequently but unfortunately failing to break their silly necks. Other than those, people were conforming pretty well.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

At Yarra Bend Park today (within the 5 km limit), it was better than both YM and Mr Lane reported on their respective patches. One group of the young and beautiful had masks hanging around their necks, and a couple of the young and macho on skateboards had no masks at all. They were falling off frequently but unfortunately failing to break their silly necks. Other than those, people were conforming pretty well.
Valvegear
Yep, youth is wasted on the young.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Just arrived back in Melbourne for a weekend indoors with 'er. Changing trains at Footscray i was surprised to see a group of 7 or 8 late teenaged girls on platform 1 not practicing social distancing. My surprise turned to astonishment when the spark from Watergardens / Sunbury turned up and another similar sized group got off the train and began hugging and kissing the group on the platform. With many of them dolled up to the 9s they were clearly out for the evening, where I cannot imagine as everything is supposed to be closed.......

Arriving at the flat in Norf Melbourne and debriefing the week the Ms told me she had been for 3 walks around the hood this week and had observed many largish groups (5 > 15) meeting for picnics in local parks, many not wearing masks and lots of fellow walkers unmasked as well.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Just arrived back in Melbourne for a weekend indoors with 'er. Changing trains at Footscray i was surprised to see a group of 7 or 8 late teenaged girls on platform 1 not practicing social distancing. My surprise turned to astonishment when the spark from Watergardens / Sunbury turned up and another similar sized group got off the train and began hugging and kissing the group on the platform. With many of them dolled up to the 9s they were clearly out for the evening, where I cannot imagine as everything is supposed to be closed.......

Arriving at the flat in Norf Melbourne and debriefing the week the Ms told me she had been for 3 walks around the hood this week and had observed many largish groups (5 > 15) meeting for picnics in local parks, many not wearing masks and lots of fellow walkers unmasked as well.
BrentonGolding
Third wave coming in 3 2 1.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Third wave coming in 3 2 1.
michaelgm
Yeah, I think a lot of people have just had enough. I can understand that, I am not sure how I would have coped if I was still living in Melbourne full time or if I was 30 years younger but it does have a bit of an air of inevitability about it.

Just saw on the news that the Chadstone Butcher shop cluster is due to a cleaner who had worked for the business for many years going to work despite being a close contact of a known case in Frankston.......

And just took a walk to the local Pizza shop after dinner was declared a fail (thanks for nothing Nigella), a young bloke turned up, picked up his 4 x large pizzas, 2 x garlic bread an 4 bottles of soft drink and thanked the owner with a "see you next Friday" quip. Now sure, it could have been for his large family or for Friday pizza at a workplace. Or it could have been something else.......
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
And just took a walk to the local Pizza shop after dinner was declared a fail (thanks for nothing Nigella), a young bloke turned up, picked up his 4 x large pizzas, 2 x garlic bread an 4 bottles of soft drink and thanked the owner with a "see you next Friday" quip. Now sure, it could have been for his large family or for Friday pizza at a workplace. Or it could have been something else.......
BrentonGolding
Perhaps he was hungry...
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Just arrived back in Melbourne for a weekend indoors with 'er. Changing trains at Footscray i was surprised to see a group of 7 or 8 late teenaged girls on platform 1 not practicing social distancing. My surprise turned to astonishment when the spark from Watergardens / Sunbury turned up and another similar sized group got off the train and began hugging and kissing the group on the platform. With many of them dolled up to the 9s they were clearly out for the evening, where I cannot imagine as everything is supposed to be closed.......

Arriving at the flat in Norf Melbourne and debriefing the week the Ms told me she had been for 3 walks around the hood this week and had observed many largish groups (5 > 15) meeting for picnics in local parks, many not wearing masks and lots of fellow walkers unmasked as well.
Third wave coming in 3 2 1.
michaelgm
Andrews is so strong in some ways such as insisting that we as we are (?) so near that we must go the whole way yet so weak in some easily fixed ways such as the masks. Do his people actually see what is going on? One only has to watch the news most nights to see those without masks or improperly fitted masks.
Some others would have caved into the short sighted re-opening of certain high risk businesses by now.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Just arrived back in Melbourne for a weekend indoors with 'er. Changing trains at Footscray i was surprised to see a group of 7 or 8 late teenaged girls on platform 1 not practicing social distancing. My surprise turned to astonishment when the spark from Watergardens / Sunbury turned up and another similar sized group got off the train and began hugging and kissing the group on the platform. With many of them dolled up to the 9s they were clearly out for the evening, where I cannot imagine as everything is supposed to be closed.......

Arriving at the flat in Norf Melbourne and debriefing the week the Ms told me she had been for 3 walks around the hood this week and had observed many largish groups (5 > 15) meeting for picnics in local parks, many not wearing masks and lots of fellow walkers unmasked as well.
Third wave coming in 3 2 1.
Andrews is so strong in some ways such as insisting that we as we are (?) so near that we must go the whole way yet so weak in some easily fixed ways such as the masks. Do his people actually see what is going on? One only has to watch the news most nights to see those without masks or improperly fitted masks.
Some others would have caved into the short sighted re-opening of certain high risk businesses by now.
YM-Mundrabilla
I remember way back, but probably only several months ago, when dealing with the first wave, from memory it was stated that if 80% of people complied with whatever rules were made at the time then the virus could be reigned in.

Watching the news does not necessarily give an accurate portrayal of how things are. If the footage shows two people, one with a mask and one without, it is too easy to jump to the conclusion that there is only 50% compliance.

I remain confident that if most of the people do the right thing most of the time, we'll be sweet. I'll continue to do the right thing, even wearing a mask to go next door to feed my neighbour's cat because they are away for example, simply because I'm determined to be part of the 80%.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Just arrived back in Melbourne for a weekend indoors with 'er. Changing trains at Footscray i was surprised to see a group of 7 or 8 late teenaged girls on platform 1 not practicing social distancing. My surprise turned to astonishment when the spark from Watergardens / Sunbury turned up and another similar sized group got off the train and began hugging and kissing the group on the platform. With many of them dolled up to the 9s they were clearly out for the evening, where I cannot imagine as everything is supposed to be closed.......

Arriving at the flat in Norf Melbourne and debriefing the week the Ms told me she had been for 3 walks around the hood this week and had observed many largish groups (5 > 15) meeting for picnics in local parks, many not wearing masks and lots of fellow walkers unmasked as well.
Third wave coming in 3 2 1.
Andrews is so strong in some ways such as insisting that we as we are (?) so near that we must go the whole way yet so weak in some easily fixed ways such as the masks. Do his people actually see what is going on? One only has to watch the news most nights to see those without masks or improperly fitted masks.
Some others would have caved into the short sighted re-opening of certain high risk businesses by now.
I remember way back, but probably only several months ago, when dealing with the first wave, from memory it was stated that if 80% of people complied with whatever rules were made at the time then the virus could be reigned in.

Watching the news does not necessarily give an accurate portrayal of how things are. If the footage shows two people, one with a mask and one without, it is too easy to jump to the conclusion that there is only 50% compliance.

I remain confident that if most of the people do the right thing most of the time, we'll be sweet. I'll continue to do the right thing, even wearing a mask to go next door to feed my neighbour's cat because they are away for example, simply because I'm determined to be part of the 80%.
DirtyBallast
Yes, Melbourne should be fine! I mean they have better contact tracer's now than what they had before, so hopefully if there is a big outbreak, the tracer's can swoop like Hawks and reel it in.

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