Maryvale rail siding upgrade keeping freight on rail

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 04 Oct 2020 09:55
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Pleasing to see a. Upgrade now what does the Bairnsdale area ?

Maryvale rail siding upgrade keeping freight on rail

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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Anyone know the answer ?
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Anyone know the answer ?
freightgate
Not sure what your asking?

The post doesent mention Bairnsdale that I can see. There is the sand mine project on the cards between Bairnsdale and Stratford will likely use rail if approved, once the stratford bridge replacement is finished, and comment made a month or 2 ago about Fennings Timber looking to setup a hardstand and intermodal facility at Bosworth Rd in Bairnsdale. Not seen anything more of late on either project.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Pleasing to see a. Upgrade now what does the Bairnsdale area ?

Anyone know the answer ?
freightgate
To what? As usual you have hit the Go button without reading what you have written or more accurately what your predictive text has written

Your question makes no sense whatsoever so what are we all supposed to do, I am told that a degree in mindreading takes 5 yrs plus and someone stole my crystal ball quite some time ago.

How I didn't see that eventuality using the device itself is a question for another day Laughing
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Now now, I think the question is quite simple:

now what does the Bairnsdale area ?
freightgate


Now if I take that literally, I am guessing that freightgate is asking what is the area of Bairnsdale? Or how big is the area of Bairnsdale?

According to Wikipedia, the area of Bairnsdale is 155 square km, or 59 sq miles. That is for the urban area of Bairnsdale.

Now what exactly this has to do with rail I don't know, but it isn't that hard to answer the man's question.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Now now, I think the question is quite simple:

now what does the Bairnsdale area ?


Now if I take that literally, I am guessing that freightgate is asking what is the area of Bairnsdale? Or how big is the area of Bairnsdale?

According to Wikipedia, the area of Bairnsdale is 155 square km, or 59 sq miles. That is for the urban area of Bairnsdale.

Now what exactly this has to do with rail I don't know, but it isn't that hard to answer the man's question.
Gman_86
Ah, so the answer is actually Google is your friend!
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Back to topic.

I can't remember exactly when, but certainly within a few years ago a significant amount of work was done along the Maryvale spur. Many mudholes were dealt with and many concrete sleepers installed but the sections in between are now as bad as what the worst parts of the line were previously and a 25 km/h limit still applies. Why the whole line wasn't dealt with in one fell swoop back then when they had the opportunity still makes me shake my head.

A couple of years before that, the bridge was replaced over Waterhole Creek. In more recent times the Qube pad within the mill received a total overhaul.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Back to topic.

I can't remember exactly when, but certainly within a few years ago a significant amount of work was done along the Maryvale spur. Many mudholes were dealt with and many concrete sleepers installed but the sections in between are now as bad as what the worst parts of the line were previously and a 25 km/h limit still applies. Why the whole line wasn't dealt with in one fell swoop back then when they had the opportunity still makes me shake my head.

A couple of years before that, the bridge was replaced over Waterhole Creek. In more recent times the Qube pad within the mill received a total overhaul.
DirtyBallast
The parts replaced orignally had significant dips in them, really noticeable on SQEF's coupled back to back.
  jakar Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Back to topic.

I can't remember exactly when, but certainly within a few years ago a significant amount of work was done along the Maryvale spur. Many mudholes were dealt with and many concrete sleepers installed but the sections in between are now as bad as what the worst parts of the line were previously and a 25 km/h limit still applies. Why the whole line wasn't dealt with in one fell swoop back then when they had the opportunity still makes me shake my head.

A couple of years before that, the bridge was replaced over Waterhole Creek. In more recent times the Qube pad within the mill received a total overhaul.
DirtyBallast
Is the siding is still privately owned and maintained by APM?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Back to topic.

I can't remember exactly when, but certainly within a few years ago a significant amount of work was done along the Maryvale spur. Many mudholes were dealt with and many concrete sleepers installed but the sections in between are now as bad as what the worst parts of the line were previously and a 25 km/h limit still applies. Why the whole line wasn't dealt with in one fell swoop back then when they had the opportunity still makes me shake my head.

A couple of years before that, the bridge was replaced over Waterhole Creek. In more recent times the Qube pad within the mill received a total overhaul.
Is the siding is still privately owned and maintained by APM?
jakar
That is the question:

  1. Who owns the line?
  2. Who is responsible for maintaining the line?
  3. If the line is owned and/or maintained by Vline (?) does the mill pay an annual charge for maintenance to Vline (whoever) as is/was the norm with private sidings?
  4. If 3. above is the case who is responsible at the mill for seeing that maintenance was done on a timely and value for money basis?
Perhaps no one can 'remember'.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

Is the siding is still privately owned and maintained by APM?
That is the question:

  1. Who owns the line?
  2. Who is responsible for maintaining the line?
  3. If the line is owned and/or maintained by Vline (?) does the mill pay an annual charge for maintenance to Vline (whoever) as is/was the norm with private sidings?
  4. If 3. above is the case who is responsible at the mill for seeing that maintenance was done on a timely and value for money basis?
Perhaps no one can 'remember'.
YM-Mundrabilla
This line is not a railway in the usual sense of how most RPers think of railways, it is an extension of APM's production process.

'Sweating the Asset' is a common theme in business. The only reason to spend money on the line is to ensure trains get to the mainline, and get there in a reasonable time. Does it really matter if it takes 10, or 20 minutes to get to the mainline?
The problem with 'sweating the asset' is knowing when, and how much, to intervene so as not to interrupt production.

Where many managers come unstuck is getting that wrong, so unless they don't want to be carpeted for upsetting production, it's best to err on the side of keeping facilities in good order.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

Back to topic.

I can't remember exactly when, but certainly within a few years ago a significant amount of work was done along the Maryvale spur. Many mudholes were dealt with and many concrete sleepers installed but the sections in between are now as bad as what the worst parts of the line were previously and a 25 km/h limit still applies. Why the whole line wasn't dealt with in one fell swoop back then when they had the opportunity still makes me shake my head.

A couple of years before that, the bridge was replaced over Waterhole Creek. In more recent times the Qube pad within the mill received a total overhaul.
Is the siding is still privately owned and maintained by APM?
That is the question:

  1. Who owns the line?
  2. Who is responsible for maintaining the line?
  3. If the line is owned and/or maintained by Vline (?) does the mill pay an annual charge for maintenance to Vline (whoever) as is/was the norm with private sidings?
  4. If 3. above is the case who is responsible at the mill for seeing that maintenance was done on a timely and value for money basis?
Perhaps no one can 'remember'.

1. It's always been privately owned by the company that owns the paper mill.

2. The current V/Line TOD says of the line "Track is maintained by others".

Hence 3 and 4 are non-issues.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Back to topic.

I can't remember exactly when, but certainly within a few years ago a significant amount of work was done along the Maryvale spur. Many mudholes were dealt with and many concrete sleepers installed but the sections in between are now as bad as what the worst parts of the line were previously and a 25 km/h limit still applies. Why the whole line wasn't dealt with in one fell swoop back then when they had the opportunity still makes me shake my head.

A couple of years before that, the bridge was replaced over Waterhole Creek. In more recent times the Qube pad within the mill received a total overhaul.
Is the siding is still privately owned and maintained by APM?
That is the question:

  1. Who owns the line?
  2. Who is responsible for maintaining the line?
  3. If the line is owned and/or maintained by Vline (?) does the mill pay an annual charge for maintenance to Vline (whoever) as is/was the norm with private sidings?
  4. If 3. above is the case who is responsible at the mill for seeing that maintenance was done on a timely and value for money basis?
Perhaps no one can 'remember'.

1. It's always been privately owned by the company that owns the paper mill.

2. The current V/Line TOD says of the line "Track is maintained by others".

Hence 3 and 4 are non-issues.
historian
2. Trivia time! Decades ago, the mill's own sparkies used to have a routine to periodically check the flashing lights at both level crossings (Old Melbourne Road and Princes Highway) by physically activating them. On at least one occasion, the consequence was not desirable, with a car screeching to a halt for the phantom train only to be hit from behind.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Thanks Lockspike, Historian and DirtyBallast.
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
This second stage package of works on the Maryvale Siding is no doubt closely aligned to Australian Paper's intentions to develop a now-permitted waste to energy facility, which is intended to take a portion of waste ex Melbourne by rail.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
This second stage package of works on the Maryvale Siding is no doubt closely aligned to Australian Paper's intentions to develop a now-permitted waste to energy facility, which is intended to take a portion of waste ex Melbourne by rail.
gippslander
Yes, that could be the case.

It has been proposed to attach wagons loaded with rubbish to the existing empty container Down service, with the empty rubbish wagons attached to the loaded container Up service, thereby killing two birds with one stone and negating the requirement for an extra train. There is apparently an existing allowance for the 'Paper Train' to run at 1200m long but it currently operates at around 700m, so there is plenty of room to attach the required amount of glorified 'wheelie bins' now. The track has visibly deteriorated since the stop-gap works that occurred a year or so ago, but even without the Energy from Waste plant the track will eventually need to be in better condition than it is now.

My understanding of the EfW proposal is that yes, it got EPA approval, but Australian Paper have failed to win the rubbish supply contract that they were chasing from providers in S.E Melbourne. Not sure what happens from here on.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Further thoughts.

Bear with me. Production wise, the Maryvale mill is basically segregated into two halves, packaging papers (to end up as corn flakes boxes etc) and fine papers (Reflex copy paper and other office products etc). Both products end up on the train. When major maintenance outages are scheduled, it is normally only one half of the mill at a time. Next February, outages for both halves will overlap for a week, so I expect that any improvements to the track will occur then.

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