The road to 100

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 03 Jul 2020 09:40
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
A good news story for local manufacturing.  Like the photo on what likes the test track.

The road to 100

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  loopy Junior Train Controller

Does anyone know when the 58 will start to get E Class trams? I heard that it would be ideal to put some on that line before the massive Upfield line shutdown?
  tram1041 Station Master

Does anyone know when the 58 will start to get E Class trams? I heard that it would be ideal to put some on that line before the massive Upfield line shutdown?
loopy

The official line at the moment looks like  possibly may next year at this stage.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

It appears to be a long and winding road. Using VicSig’s in-service dates, the following is the number of E2-Class delivered in each of the last three FY:
FY 17/18 – 13
FY 18/19 – 12
FY 19/20 –   8

There seems to be some debate as to whether the order is for 90 or 100 trams (50 x E-Class & 40 - 50 x E2-Class). E2.6086 is the latest tram in service, so, if the order is for 90, it leaves only 4 more to enter service.
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
It appears to be a long and winding road. Using VicSig’s in-service dates, the following is the number of E2-Class delivered in each of the last three FY:
FY 17/18 – 13
FY 18/19 – 12
FY 19/20 –   8

There seems to be some debate as to whether the order is for 90 or 100 trams (50 x E-Class & 40 - 50 x E2-Class). E2.6086 is the latest tram in service, so, if the order is for 90, it leaves only 4 more to enter service.
kitchgp
I'm trying to remember where I saw it but Bombadier were, supposed to be, in process of assembling 6091 a month or more ago which points to 100, as does the title of the article and, also, the fifth paragraph which states "now approaching production of the 100th E-Class vehicle"

Neil
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

The Initial order was for 50 E-Class trams. From the time Labor came back in 2014, the following numbers of E2-Class have been ordered in the budgets:
2015 – 20
2016 – Nil
2017 – 10 (Budget Overview states total order is 80)
2018 – Nil
2019 – 10 (Budget Overview states “………………design and develop Next Generation Trams”)

In the lead up to the 2018 November Election, ie after the 2018 Budget, the then Minister for Public Transport promised the purchase of 10 E2-Class trams, yet only 10 were ordered in the 2019 Budget. As far as budgets go, only 90 have been ordered. Obviously, the 2020 Budget has yet to be handed down. It remains to be seen.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
With Alstom taking over Bombardier, I hope it doesn't mean the abrupt end of E class trams, we're still 200 short.

Not to mention Vlocitys, I can't see V/Line passengers being too impressed with diesel-powered X'Traps. Laughing
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
The Initial order was for 50 E-Class trams. From the time Labor came back in 2014, the following numbers of E2-Class have been ordered in the budgets:
2015 – 20
2016 – Nil
2017 – 10 (Budget Overview states total order is 80)
2018 – Nil
2019 – 10 (Budget Overview states “………………design and develop Next Generation Trams”)

In the lead up to the 2018 November Election, ie after the 2018 Budget, the then Minister for Public Transport promised the purchase of 10 E2-Class trams, yet only 10 were ordered in the 2019 Budget. As far as budgets go, only 90 have been ordered. Obviously, the 2020 Budget has yet to be handed down. It remains to be seen.
"kitchgp"


From the Transport Victoria website

https://transport.vic.gov.au/our-transport-future/our-projects/new-and-upgraded-trains-and-trams/new-train-and-tram-orders
talks about 50 E2 deliveries (by 2020 which ain't happening) - this isn't the site that I saw 6091, supposedly, being assembled

Neil
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Vicsig just updated its tram fleet listing section, showing 6089 entering service today, with 6090 as the only tram under "ordered" status.  6091 to 6100 are non-existent.
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
Sorry to say that Vicsig isn't always the most accurate source of information, nor the most up-to-date. It's lagged in updating regularly over the last few years, and, yes, I appreciate that it is a volunteer run site and I'm not bagging them for that, I'm sure they are doing their best with limited resources, however, the Dep't of Transport website on the other hand is a professional one with a direct connection to vehicle orders and government decisions. The fact that their website says the following would contradict Vicsig with some authority:

"Project status

All 50 trams are expected to be delivered by 2020, bringing the total E-Class fleet to 100 trams."

The completion date has, probably, been made inaccurate by Covid-19 but the page was updated as recently as September 20. It also says at the top of the page that over 180 vehicles have been ordered since 2015 which taking into account 47 V'locity, 65 HCMT, 24 X'trap and 50 E2 equals 186. Reduce the E2 to 40 and you end up short at 176.
I'm still searching for the picture, I'm sure, I saw of 6091 under construction, without success so far but if/when I re-discover it I'll post the link.

https://transport.vic.gov.au/our-transport-future/our-projects/new-and-upgraded-trains-and-trams/new-train-and-tram-orders#Eclass2

Neil
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
I've finally found the reference to more than 90 E & E2 and it is actually in the article referred to in the first post of this thread!

It's not a photo, as I thought, but a reference by the Oz/NZ President of Bombadier. I think she ought to know what she is talking about, in that role. If she doesn't, then Alstom are in trouble with their acquisition of Bombadier underway.

“We’re in production up to 91, well on the way up to 100 with the E-Class. That’s a big achievement and we can’t do that without our customer the Department of Transport and the State government, as well as a lot of hard work and dedication from our partners in the supply chain,” said McMillan."
That statement was published in July so we ought to see 6090 and 6091 on rails soon. Vicsig will need to update their E2 page soon.

https://www.railexpress.com.au/wendy-mcmillan-bombardiers-road-100-e-class-trams/

Neil
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Vicsig has completely deleted ordered ones from its list, so even 6090 doesn't show.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Vicsig has completely deleted ordered ones from its list, so even 6090 doesn't show.
"route14"

6090 is at the very bottom.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

You are right.  If you click the current fleet and scroll down, you see 6089 as the last, but if you click E2 class, 6090 is displayed.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Sorry to say that Vicsig isn't always the most accurate source of information, nor the most up-to-date. It's lagged in updating regularly over the last few years, and, yes, I appreciate that it is a volunteer run site and I'm not bagging them for that, I'm sure they are doing their best with limited resources, however, the Dep't of Transport website on the other hand is a professional one with a direct connection to vehicle orders and government decisions. The fact that their website says the following would contradict Vicsig with some authority:

……………………………………………………………………………………………..
ngarner


It’s not just VicSig. The Budget papers only show total orders for 90. Perhaps 6091 might be from the Next Generation Tram allocation. It remains to be seen.
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
Sorry to say that Vicsig isn't always the most accurate source of information, nor the most up-to-date. It's lagged in updating regularly over the last few years, and, yes, I appreciate that it is a volunteer run site and I'm not bagging them for that, I'm sure they are doing their best with limited resources, however, the Dep't of Transport website on the other hand is a professional one with a direct connection to vehicle orders and government decisions. The fact that their website says the following would contradict Vicsig with some authority:

……………………………………………………………………………………………..
ngarner


It’s not just VicSig. The Budget papers only show total orders for 90. Perhaps 6091 might be from the Next Generation Tram allocation. It remains to be seen.
"kitchgp"


re-read my last post

Neil