50 level crossings to be removed

 
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

Brilliant looking designs. Bell looked especially dreary last time I went there so it would really benefit from this from an aesthetic perspective.

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  LeroyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Awaiting MM2
Brilliant looking designs. Bell looked especially dreary last time I went there so it would really benefit from this from an aesthetic perspective.
reubstar6
I like the structures around Bell but the "PTV Pink" looks a bit awful doesn't it? Like it's a VLine station where they ordered the wrong shade of paint... Surprised
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

Designs for North Williamstown and Glenroy have been released. The North Williamstown design looks especially bare, which is justified given the lack of patronage on the line. https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media/news/north-williamstown-station-designs-are-here

The Glenhuntly crossings also have been fast tracked. It's interesting that they've gone with rail under as opposed to Skyrail. I would have thought the latter would be more suited to the ground conditions there and cheaper and easier to build.
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
Designs for North Williamstown and Glenroy have been released. The North Williamstown design looks especially bare, which is justified given the lack of patronage on the line. https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media/news/north-williamstown-station-designs-are-here

The Glenhuntly crossings also have been fast tracked. It's interesting that they've gone with rail under as opposed to Skyrail. I would have thought the latter would be more suited to the ground conditions there and cheaper and easier to build.
reubstar6

Disappointing at North Williamstown that the original east station building hasnt been retained/relocated.
And for the nay-sayers that tell us can't shift a brick building, try this

cheers
John
  steve195 Train Controller

The Glenhuntly crossings also have been fast tracked. It's interesting that they've gone with rail under as opposed to Skyrail. I would have thought the latter would be more suited to the ground conditions there and cheaper and easier to build.
reubstar6
Aesthetically, I would have preferred a rail viaduct tbh - I find Ormond station to be a bit dingy under the wide bridge - nevertheless it's good to finally have progress. I hope they can facilitate a good interchange with the tram, as well as the 623 bus.

I assume this will be the end of the siding used by the steel train daily, and possibly the dead end siding as well?
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

The Glenhuntly crossings also have been fast tracked. It's interesting that they've gone with rail under as opposed to Skyrail. I would have thought the latter would be more suited to the ground conditions there and cheaper and easier to build.
reubstar6
Neerim Road was proposed to have the railway up on a bridge back in the 1960s, but the locals objected. The VR said it couldn't go under due to the high water table, so it was never done. I can't remember whether that proposal was to include Glenhuntly Road as well, but I assume so.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

The Glenhuntly crossings also have been fast tracked. It's interesting that they've gone with rail under as opposed to Skyrail. I would have thought the latter would be more suited to the ground conditions there and cheaper and easier to build.
Aesthetically, I would have preferred a rail viaduct tbh - I find Ormond station to be a bit dingy under the wide bridge - nevertheless it's good to finally have progress. I hope they can facilitate a good interchange with the tram, as well as the 623 bus.

I assume this will be the end of the siding used by the steel train daily, and possibly the dead end siding as well?
steve195

Not necessarily.

Ramps seem to be about 300 metres long on a level site. At Glenhuntly that would put the end roughly 50 metres north of Lord St - you'd lose about 170 metres of the refuge. Less if you put the turnout on the ramp. I guess it depends on the cost.

As to interchanges, irrespective of where they put the platforms the main entrance will be on Glenhuntly Rd. I doubt there is enough traffic to Neerim Rd to warrant the cost of building a second entrance (including ticket machines, and validators).
  historian Deputy Commissioner

Glen Eira council has recently released a draft master plan for the redevelopment of Glenhuntly shopping centre:
https://www.haveyoursaygleneira.com.au/23604/widgets/158271/documents/172045

Think massive apartment blocks (5 & 6 stories) on both sides of the road on both sides of the station, but up to 10 stories over the Woolies car park and existing northern station car park.

As for the station, the council thinks that the entrance will remain south of Glenhuntly Rd, and they want it pushed slightly further south to allow a 'station forecourt and public square'. On the northern side of Glenhuntly Rd they want the railway roofed for about 100 metres for a 'public open space'. The station car park to the west of this will become a multistory appartment block. The remainder of the car park and the work site to the north on the western side of the line will become 'public open space' including a bike path. This will be your modal link to the bus service on Neerim Rd - almost no different to what exists today, just on the other side of the railway.

The plan envisages a significant loss of commuter car parking at Glenhuntly.

Of course, all this is the council's wish list and it has no power to make the LXRA to do anything.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Given they are now well aware of managing public backlash from the CD9 and the Ormond "Skytower" upset, I assume both LXRP and the council are quite prepared to get ahead of the game and listen to each other and local residents.

If the council really are pushing for a lot of development in the area, they better be ready to sell it!
  historian Deputy Commissioner

On the northern side of Glenhuntly Rd they want the railway roofed for about 100 metres for a 'public open space'.
Given the reluctance thus far for roofing over railway, I do hope for the sake of the ratepayers and residents this isn't the centrepiece of council's planning for the vicinity.

The resultant 'land' would have to be extremely high in value to justify the cost. Has it not even been considered too costly to cover more of Jolimont yard, in it's edge of Melbourne CBD location?
Lockspike
I'm quite sure the impetus for developing the plan *now* was the impending grade separation.

When the Bentleigh grade separation happened the council came up with the idea of roofing over the railway on the south side of Centre Rd for a park. The brain wave happened *after* the LXRA had started work, and they were still talking up the idea when the work was nearly finished.

It appears that the council are trying to get in early this time.

I agree, though, that it's unlikely to happen.

To be fair, though, a light deck for a 'park' is a completely different kettle of fish than foundations and a deck that could support multistory buildings. A small example has already been constructed at Mentone (in front of the old station building), and a more substantial deck for development has also been constructed at Cheltenham on Park Rd. I've not seen either of these, for obvious reasons.
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
An update on the Lilydale line works as of last Friday, since I had make a trip to the CBD.
Lilydale's western car park is now a storage area for the works with lots of conduit and other supplies. Although there is now additional replacement parking near the swimming pool, I was able to use the eastern car park on Friday and had almost every space to choose from and that was after 9:30am. There are four new overhead stanchions, one between the LX and station, with three more on the up side of the LX and a fifth being installed adjacent to the down side of the Melba Ave LX, all on the down side of the line. They were assembling the form-work for that fifth one with the new stanchion, on the ground, ready to install. None of the catenary has been shifted yet. There is no vegetation left adjacent to the line between Melba Ave and the Highway with a works access road on the down side between Melba Ave LX and John St. There are lots of security and safety fences in place adjacent to the line and closing off parking on both sides of William St. The high school has, temporarily, lost all of ground to the north of and behind their maintenance compound with more being leveled and hardstand being laid to the south of the compound, adjacent to the railway. As I had more time to observe this area I can report more of what is happening here compared to Mooroolbark.
Mooroolbark northern car park is also being used as a storage area. The down side approach to the station is being widened by digging into the hillside on the down side of the line before the line becomes dual track for the station. The most obvious area of work here is on the up side of Manchester Rd LX where they are relocating, or installing new, services and this work extends well to the west of the LX. What work underway, that I could see, indicates that the elevated line is going to start well up the grade towards Dorset Rd. I didn't see any new stanchions but it was a bit harder to pick them out from within the train, if they have been put up.

Neil
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Has it not even been considered too costly to cover more of Jolimont yard, in it's edge of Melbourne CBD location?
"Lockspike"
The idea to roof over Jolimont Yards first surfaced when I was in the Melbourne High School Railway Club. I finished at that school in 1958! There's nothing new under the sun, it seems.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

The proposed Federation Square East development has had another revival in the last few days. There are a few articles about, eg Herald Sun, but unfortunately, they are behind paywalls.

There’s a thread on it. Last entry 9 years ago.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Jacinta just mentioned that the Upfield LX crossing upgrades will open early on Nov 2.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Jacinta just mentioned that the Upfield LX crossing upgrades will open early on Nov 2.
Carnot
I believe it's line reopening on Nov 2, with trains running express through Moreland and Coburg until the stations are ready to be opened.
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
Jacinta just mentioned that the Upfield LX crossing upgrades will open early on Nov 2.
Carnot
I believe it's line reopening on Nov 2, with trains running express through Moreland and Coburg until the stations are ready to be opened.
"TOQ-1"


If that's the case, then it is early. The original, announced, date for re-opening the line was the 15th, with, as you say, the stations to open at a later date.

Neil
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
Small bag of announcements today;
* Work at Old Geelong Rd, Hoppers Crossing is/has resumed
* Evans Rd bridge is opening on October 30
* Piling on the Chelsea crossings is underway with two machines and another four to come. This one is interesting in the piles aren't bored piles but sheet piles with only some bored piles to support the sheets
* early works starting at Williamstown with the line closed from Newport between the 19th and 22nd
* a small TBM is going to bore 370m for drainage at Glenroy, starting soon

Neil
  TrackRailroad Train Controller

Location: Frankston Line
Glen Eira council has recently released a draft master plan for the redevelopment of Glenhuntly shopping centre:
https://www.haveyoursaygleneira.com.au/23604/widgets/158271/documents/172045

Think massive apartment blocks (5 & 6 stories) on both sides of the road on both sides of the station, but up to 10 stories over the Woolies car park and existing northern station car park.

As for the station, the council thinks that the entrance will remain south of Glenhuntly Rd, and they want it pushed slightly further south to allow a 'station forecourt and public square'. On the northern side of Glenhuntly Rd they want the railway roofed for about 100 metres for a 'public open space'. The station car park to the west of this will become a multistory appartment block. The remainder of the car park and the work site to the north on the western side of the line will become 'public open space' including a bike path. This will be your modal link to the bus service on Neerim Rd - almost no different to what exists today, just on the other side of the railway.

The plan envisages a significant loss of commuter car parking at Glenhuntly.

Of course, all this is the council's wish list and it has no power to make the LXRA to do anything.
historian
I think Glenhuntly should be 'skyrail' style and elevated rail across Neerim and Glenhuntly Roads, as this will be faster to build and possibly cheaper than rail under the road? I stand to be corrected though. Further, Caulfield to Oakleigh on the Dandenong Line shows elevated rail can be done well, utilising public space underneath for parkland, community infrastructure and commercial uses, for example cafes. I believe a trench would further divide the community. Plus Council can have a public open square at the entrance to the station underneath if they wish as per their plans.

is Glenhuntly on track to be removed by end of 2022? This crossing being removed will be very disruptive to the Frankston line with buses needed from Moorabbin to Caulfield, one of the busier sections of the line, so the earlier it is removed, the better.

Also I wonder if any additional level crossings will be removed in the upcoming state budget? Especially to help revitalise the economy post covid 19. There are many worthy crossings to remove still left in Melbourne.
  TrackRailroad Train Controller

Location: Frankston Line
Designs for North Williamstown and Glenroy have been released. The North Williamstown design looks especially bare, which is justified given the lack of patronage on the line. https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media/news/north-williamstown-station-designs-are-here

The Glenhuntly crossings also have been fast tracked. It's interesting that they've gone with rail under as opposed to Skyrail. I would have thought the latter would be more suited to the ground conditions there and cheaper and easier to build.
reubstar6
I like the design of North Williamstown Station, it seems practical and has kept an original building on the western side whilst incorporating a new modern design. I haven't looked at Glenroy though.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Small bag of announcements today;
* Work at Old Geelong Rd, Hoppers Crossing is/has resumed
* Evans Rd bridge is opening on October 30
* Piling on the Chelsea crossings is underway with two machines and another four to come. This one is interesting in the piles aren't bored piles but sheet piles with only some bored piles to support the sheets
* early works starting at Williamstown with the line closed from Newport between the 19th and 22nd
* a small TBM is going to bore 370m for drainage at Glenroy, starting soon

Neil
ngarner
I'll just add one more announcement to this list, yeah so many things.

*Hurstbridge rail upgrade has some draft maps for consultation showing a rough alignment of the duplicated track. Construction will start soon, finish by 2022.

Technically not a level crossing removal project, but is being done by the LXRP.
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

I'll just add one more announcement to this list, yeah so many things. *Hurstbridge rail upgrade has some draft maps for consultation showing a rough alignment of the duplicated track. Construction will start soon, finish by 2022. Technically not a level crossing removal project, but is being done by the LXRP.
True Believers

Good to hear. I was getting worried that they'd decided to not bother with the project. Shame they're not fully duplicating to Eltham though.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Hurstbridge line = eastern suburbs, expect it to remain unchanged for another fifty years like the Lilydale, Belgrave and Alamein lines.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Hurstbridge line = eastern suburbs, expect it to remain unchanged for another fifty years like the Lilydale, Belgrave and Alamein lines.
Heihachi_73
No need to duplicate it any further for a long time, after the upgrade it will allow 3tph beyond Eltham, 4tph to Eltham and 10tph to Greensborough.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

After I commented on LXRA's Linkedin on the misuse of the locality name "Bell", they've now removed the spaces and are now calling it the "BelltoMoreland" project.

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