The 1975 Whitlam Dismissal palace letters

 
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Hi all.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/the-palace-letters-are-every-bit-the-bombshell-they-promised-to-be-20200713-p55bpx.html?fbclid=IwAR3X3D3hX1lLprLdwTaB210ZeS78lTGC6lWC-4wocwTKpyLi0b2p8LRtbKg#comments

I think that Kerr was a very naughty boy, to say the least, for sacking a democratically elected and very progressive Gough.

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  Carnot Minister for Railways

Gough's government was criminally corrupt and inept. Kerr made the right call and the election afterwards was democracy in action. Progressives cant cope with those truths.

And 44.5 years later they're still bitter about that.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
This is an interesting take on the affair:

https://www.crikey.com.au/2020/07/17/john-kerr-palace-letters-whitlam-cia/
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Gough's government was criminally corrupt and inept. Kerr made the right call and the election afterwards was democracy in action. Progressives cant cope with those truths.

And 44.5 years later they're still bitter about that.
"Carnot"
Carnot, that is nonsense. The Whitlam government had serious failings and deserved to lose the next election. To say it was criminally corrupt is just biased, one-eyed stupidity. If that were true, people would have been charged, and nobody was. I'd be interested to know just what criminal actions you can list.

In terms of behaviour, the worst it got was Cairns and Connor being sacked from the Ministry for misleading the Parliament. There were other policy and budgetary failings which would have cost them at the next poll. Interestingly enough, Fraser adopted just about the whole of Hayden's budget unchanged.

Kerr's action eased the path of political opportunism for a greedy and impatient opposition; an opposition on which you would not have been able to get a bet for the following scheduled election.

I don't know how old you were at the time, but I was 35 and able to follow the whole saga from the December 1972 election until the dismissal and subsequent election which Fraser won. Just so you know where I'm coming from, I was delighted that Whitlam won in 1972, and by November 1975 I was disillusioned and certain that he would lose the next election.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Khemlani Loans Affair for one.

Al "Ndrangheta" Grassby...  (at least he lost in the 1974 election, but the stench remained).
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Khemlani Loans Affair for one.
Carnot
Now think again. There was nothing at all criminal about the dealings with Khemlani. Governments are entitled to seek loan funds from wherever they like; this idea was particularly stupid but quite legal. Connor persisted after his authority to pursue this deal was revoked and ultimately was, as I said earlier, sacked from his portfolio. No crime was committed.

Al "Ndrangheta" Grassby...  (at least he lost in the 1974 election, but the stench remained).
Carnot
Just remind us all about which crime Grassby was convicted, would you?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Khemlani Loans Affair for one.
Now think again. There was nothing at all criminal about the dealings with Khemlani. Governments are entitled to seek loan funds from wherever they like; this idea was particularly stupid but quite legal. Connor persisted after his authority to pursue this deal was revoked and ultimately was, as I said earlier, sacked from his portfolio. No crime was committed.

Al "Ndrangheta" Grassby...  (at least he lost in the 1974 election, but the stench remained).
Just remind us all about which crime Grassby was convicted, would you?
Valvegear
Grassby's campaigns were funded by local mafia figures (essentially protection money), and he falsely accused the Mackay family of killing Donald Mackay when it was his close associates (Trimbole & Co.) who did so.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Grassby's campaigns were funded by local mafia figures (essentially protection money), and he falsely accused the Mackay family of killing Donald Mackay when it was his close associates (Trimbole & Co.) who did so.
"Carnot"
Grassby's campaigns were allegedly funded by the local mafia. He was never convicted of any criminal offence.
He accused the Mackay family of the killing; stupid and ignorant but, again, not criminal.

No doubt, Grassby was not a particularly pleasant specimen, but your deeply ingrained loathing of the ALP has you leaving your brains to one side. None of what you have written has, in your own words, constituted a government which "was criminally corrupt and inept." Hate the ALP for all you like but political debate is best conducted without inflammatory disregard for facts. Criminal corruption is a very serious offence; stupidity isn't.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Fraser was also a very naughty boy for blocking supply to the democratically elected whitlam government.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Fraser was also a very naughty boy for blocking supply to the democratically elected whitlam government.
Gayspie
Along with Kerr and the Libs for working with the yanks, it was a defacto quiet American coup on us.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/23/gough-whitlam-1975-coup-ended-australian-independence
(waits for carnot to call them Communists)
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/07/gough-whitlam-dismissal-letters-john-kerr-australia
  apw5910 Chief Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
Looks like Charlie put his foot in it...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2020/10/23/prince-charles-backed-controversial-sacking-australian-prime/

Might have to hit Stop Loading Page and Reload a few times to get past the paywall.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Fraser was also a very naughty boy for blocking supply to the democratically elected whitlam government.
Along with Kerr and the Libs for working with the yanks, it was a defacto quiet American coup on us.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/23/gough-whitlam-1975-coup-ended-australian-independence
(waits for carnot to call them Communists)
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/07/gough-whitlam-dismissal-letters-john-kerr-australia
Dangersdan707
Nup, there's no evidence for that but there's plenty of evidence that Whitlam was blind-sided by his own governor general.

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