The corona virus COVID-19

 
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
Some Country's yes, others no.
The plural of country is countries. Country's is singular possessive.
Or it could have been the contractive apostrophe, as in “Some country is yes...”

That post actually says a lot about the level of attention to offer his posts. Capitalising random Words that you Think are Important despite not being proper nouns is something usually stamped out in the early years of secondary school.
justapassenger
Then along came auto-correct which has the twin problems of 1) most people thinking it is infallible, given their rudimentary grasp of English grammar, and 2) originally being written and implemented by Americans who think they are infallible and only have a rudimentary grasp of English grammar.

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  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

Some Country's yes, others no.
The plural of country is countries. Country's is singular possessive.
Or it could have been the contractive apostrophe, as in “Some country is yes...”

That post actually says a lot about the level of attention to offer his posts. Capitalising random Words that you Think are Important despite not being proper nouns is something usually stamped out in the early years of secondary school.
Then along came auto-correct which has the twin problems of 1) most people thinking it is infallible, given their rudimentary grasp of English grammar, and 2) originally being written and implemented by Americans who think they are infallible and only have a rudimentary grasp of English grammar.
apw5910
That's ALOT of damage!
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
It is, however, routine for AFP and state police forces to work cooperatively at airports just as they do in other locations where AFP are the ‘guest’ force.

As was posted a couple of pages back, it’s in the interests of everyone involved to come up with a better system than setting up roadblocks at the airport exits,

Speaking of aviation regulation though, has CASA approved Dan Andrews’ plan to have police flying drones in populated areas spying on people sitting in their backyards?
justapassenger


Again, whats the issue here?

The fed's provided access for the Kiwi's to enter NSW. Any restrictions for onward travel to other states is therefore a state issue, just like it has applied to Australian's for the last X many months and managed at the check point to enter that state.

Dan has better things to do than smeg about letting infection free kiwi's into the country.

The AFP have better things to do.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Again, whats the issue here?
"RTT_Rules"
For you, half a world away, nothing.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
The fed's provided access for the Kiwi's to enter NSW. Any restrictions for onward travel to other states is therefore a state issue, just like it has applied to Australian's for the last X many months and managed at the check point to enter that state.
RTT_Rules
All true, except that the info wasn't passed on to intercept them and there's no checkpoint at 36000 feet.

No probs that they were disease free but how on earth were they to be told of the temporary requirements of residing in Victoria if they couldn't be intercepted at the airport? They were gone before anyone knew!
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Regarding the federal governments role in containing the spread of the coronavirus;

- Quarantine is a federal head of power as per the Australian Constitution.

This means that the federal government has the power to make laws either completely barring the entry of goods and people from select countries or mandating a period of isolation for goods and people arriving from select countries. An example of this in action would be the federal government legislating that incoming travellers can not bring wooden toys back from Bali unless they are fumigated at the owners expense.

- As per the Australian Constitution, any power not explicity granted to the federal government shall be left to the states.

This means that subjects of regulation which stray outside of the quarantine power are to be left to the states to legislate and enforce. An example of this in action would be the federal government not being allowed to make a law that mandates for everyone to keep their house clean and tidy inside and out because that is in the domain of Public Health and not quarantine of which the former is a state government responsbility.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Regarding Hairdressers being the last businesses to close and the first businesses to reopen during the coronavirus pandemic;

- There are some people in the community who are elderly /or disabled so they can not cut their own hair.
- From an Occupational Health and Safety point of view, having excessively long hair is a hygene /or a safety issue, especially for essential workers in food service, medical care, etc.

Therefore Hairdressing falls into two of the four reasons to leave home; giving or recieving care, and essential work.
I also read an interesting article somewhere that describes how the government understands that;

- From an economic point of view, Hairdressers and their myriad of suppliers, unlike many other industries, are almost all small businesses employing workers with a single specific skill set, so if they were allowed to all go bust then the government would have a significant amount of bankrupt businesses and unemployed workers on their hands.
- From a social point of view, many people, especially those who live alone, find the simple act of normality, of going to the hairdresser to have their hair cut and to engage in casual small talk with the staff, to be very beneficial toward their mental health which is something that is very important during these very challenging times.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Regarding bottleshops being allowed to remain open during the entire coronavirus lockdown period;

- There is an unknown number of adults who are chronic alcoholics, who could experience an adverse reaction to coming down off their addiction, and the last thing a pandemic ready health system needs to experience is an influx of hospitalizations from people who are not able to medically cope without having liquor in their bodies.
- Past experience with prohibition of alcohol shows that people will turn to other more harmful sources to get their fix of liquor, such as drinking hand sanitzer, and the last thing a pandemic ready health system needs to experience is an influx of hospitalizations from people drinking things that they should not be drinking.
- At the end of the day, alcohol is a relaxant, most adults can drink responsibly, and these are unprecedented socially and economically and medically challenging times, which means it can be beneficial for some people to crack open a nice cold can of beer as they worry about; their potential ill health, their ailing finances, and the isolation from not being able to see their friends.

I read an interesting article somewhere which explains all the above points really well.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Four new cases in Preston this morning linked to the Islamic School:

  Carnot Minister for Railways

7 new cases in Melb overnight.  Hopefully that is contained.  Sounds like 2 of them are mystery cases.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

7 new cases in Melb overnight.  Hopefully that is contained.  Sounds like 2 of them are mystery cases.
Carnot
14 day average is now 5.2

If we do get under 5 tomorrow, I think the government should move to the next phase regardless of this outbreak. People have for the most part gone the distance on compliance...masks outdoors aside...and I think people will be pretty annoyed now if both the original roadmap earliest-opening-date and max average cases limit has been achieved and the government still decides to stay shut.

I am sort of expecting them to still push into November, but the time to seriously relax restrictions is surely not far away now.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

It is, however, routine for AFP and state police forces to work cooperatively at airports just as they do in other locations where AFP are the ‘guest’ force.

As was posted a couple of pages back, it’s in the interests of everyone involved to come up with a better system than setting up roadblocks at the airport exits.
Again, whats the issue here?

The fed's provided access for the Kiwi's to enter NSW. Any restrictions for onward travel to other states is therefore a state issue, just like it has applied to Australian's for the last X many months and managed at the check point to enter that state.

Dan has better things to do than smeg about letting infection free kiwi's into the country.
RTT_Rules
No issue at all, I'm quite pleased that federal and state police forces manage to work cooperatively at the operational level despite the ridiculous power plays at the political level. It's a credit to the professional leadership of the agencies involved (as opposed to the political appointments) that they prevent that from rolling downhill.

If the Victorian government ever decides they need to restrict entry to their diseased gulag, that would be their choice alone to make. If the police decide that operating at Tullamarine is the best way to handle that, I'm sure the AFP would be happy to give them the green light - as they have done in all the states/territories which have made those requests.

One of the better things that Dan could be doing is considering whether a bloke so incompetent that he had to be given a resign-or-you-get-fired ultimatum at V/Line is the right person to be in charge of something important like infection control.

Regarding the federal governments role in containing the spread of the coronavirus;

- Quarantine is a federal head of power as per the Australian Constitution.

This means that the federal government has the power to make laws either completely barring the entry of goods and people from select countries or mandating a period of isolation for goods and people arriving from select countries.
Gayspie
However, this operates simultaneously with the states' responsibility for public health, which could include specifying more stringent quarantine periods for people released too promptly by the federal authorities.

Nobody wants to see the states setting up public health control roadblocks at the exit points from airports or whatever other quarantine facilities are used by the feds, so the inevitable result is interagency coordination. Happily, it seems to be going quite well in all of the states which don't see the federal government as an enemy - perhaps the result of allegiance to a different national government?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

All true, except that the info wasn't passed on to intercept them and there's no checkpoint at 36000 feet.

No probs that they were disease free but how on earth were they to be told of the temporary requirements of residing in Victoria if they couldn't be intercepted at the airport? They were gone before anyone knew!
DirtyBallast
Perhaps the Victorian government should have asked for permission to conduct operations at Tullamarine? DHHS staff or state police could have briefed arriving passengers on the situation in Victoria and the restrictions in place.

As it is, now those arriving will just have to rely on the same sources of information as those who are already present in Victoria. How well is that going for you at the moment?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The fed's provided access for the Kiwi's to enter NSW. Any restrictions for onward travel to other states is therefore a state issue, just like it has applied to Australian's for the last X many months and managed at the check point to enter that state.
All true, except that the info wasn't passed on to intercept them and there's no checkpoint at 36000 feet.

No probs that they were disease free but how on earth were they to be told of the temporary requirements of residing in Victoria if they couldn't be intercepted at the airport? They were gone before anyone knew!
DirtyBallast
I could be wrong and (according to Don) often are, but I have yet to check in to the flight while at cruising altitude.

How does someone in NSW know about restrictions to enter Vic, Qld etc. I not see the AFP door knocking everyone's house handing out pamphlets. How did these same NZ'ers even know they could fly to Australia after 7mths of no planes? Did the NZ govt door knock the kiwi homes?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Again, whats the issue here?
For you, half a world away, nothing.
Valvegear
Ironically the UAE has almost the same issue with restrictions to enter certain Emirates, seems to be managed ok.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Again, whats the issue here?
For you, half a world away, nothing.
If I was still living in my former home in CQ, I wouldn't give more F's than I do here.

Ironically the UAE has almost the same issue with restrictions to enter certain Emirates, seems to be managed ok.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Ironically the UAE has almost the same issue with restrictions to enter certain Emirates, seems to be managed ok.
RTT_Rules
It's managed well in 7/8 Australian jurisdictions too.

A simple bit of cooperation is all it takes - and there lies the problem in the state where the government ranks Canberra as their second favourite national government.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Melbourne will not re-open tomorrow because the people have been naughty and Dan will need to punish you all again - News.com.au:

A person travelled on Melbourne’s train network while infectious, prompting an urgent coronavirus warning from health officials.

The Department of Health announced a positive case travelled on Melbourne’s Craigieburn railway line on October 21 and 22, passing through Glenroy, North Melbourne and Yarraville between 6-6:45am.

On the same days, a positive case also travelled on trains through Yarraville, North Melbourne and Oak Park between 1.15 – 2pm.

The Department of Health also warned an infectious person had visited Coles in Glenroy on October 20 between 12-12.15pm.

“If you visited any of these locations during the times outlined, remain alert for COVID-19 symptoms,” the department said.

“If you have symptoms, no matter how mild, immediately get tested and stay home.”

My only question is: How does a Craigieburn train pass though Yarraville?
  route14 Chief Commissioner

I assume the tracing is via station CCTV, so the person boarded at Glenroy, changed trains at North Melbourne and exited at Yarraville, and v.v.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Dan has postponed reopening Melbourne because of the Nthn Suburbs outbreak.

Regional Vic opening up more on Tuesday night.  Indoor Gyms, churches, pools open to up to 20 people.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I assume the tracing is via station CCTV, so the person boarded at Glenroy, changed trains at North Melbourne and exited at Yarraville, and v.v.
route14
Yep, LOTS of people change on and off Craigieburn services at NM
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Dan has postponed reopening Melbourne because of the Nthn Suburbs outbreak.

Regional Vic opening up more on Tuesday night.  Indoor Gyms, churches, pools open to up to 20 people.
Carnot
At this rate Melbourne may never re-open - between a seemingly over cautious and risk-averse government and a population that doesn't seem capable of following the rules will the cycle ever end?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I assume the tracing is via station CCTV, so the person boarded at Glenroy, changed trains at North Melbourne and exited at Yarraville, and v.v.
Yep, LOTS of people change on and off Craigieburn services at NM
BrentonGolding
Agree, but with Yarraville involved why doesn't the warning also include the Werribee and Williamstown lines as well as Craigieburn or is this just another sloppy hole in the Contact Tracing system?
More than likely the Tracing Team members have never been to Craigieburn or Yarraville.
Just demonstrates the cavalier or incompetent level of Victoria at the moment.
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

11 households 34 positives and waiting for 1000 test's to be returned

I'm actually not surprised that the Northern suburbs communities haven't tested big unlike Shepparton & Kilmore


It took only one student to start this outbreak
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
How much is being covered up or not enforced because of 'political correctness'?

Surely the lives and activities of around 5 million other Victorians must count for something. Next we will be going back to quarantining/isolating/locking up at least a million innocent others in surrounding suburbs who have done nothing wrong.

Excuses excuses excuses .............

It's time for enforcement the rules - we cannot even enforce the wearing of masks. The innocent pay whilst excuses are made for the guilty.

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