Murray Basin standardisation

 
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Huh?

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  Jordy33 Locomotive Fireman

Huh?
Carnot
They are going to deliver a watered down version
  Maximas Locomotive Fireman

Location: Geelong
Huh?
They are going to deliver a watered down version
Jordy33
Have the feds made any indication they'll commit to the funding?
  Richard stroker Junior Train Controller

Just a thought, but would part of the problem with finishing the project be V line wanting to keep everything broad gauge for their passenger operations ?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Huh?
They are going to deliver a watered down version
Have the feds made any indication they'll commit to the funding?
Maximas
They've given every indication thus far that they won't.

So it raises the question - will the State Govt go it alone to fund and deliver all of Plan B?
  Maximas Locomotive Fireman

Location: Geelong
Just a thought, but would part of the problem with finishing the project be V line?
Richard stroker
Yes

But seriously the only loser in this was the low patronage Maryborough service right? Surely that wouldn't be such a great factor?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Huh?
They are going to deliver a watered down version
Have the feds made any indication they'll commit to the funding?
They've given every indication thus far that they won't.

So it raises the question - will the State Govt go it alone to fund and deliver all of Plan B?
Carnot
Does the 'B' in Plan B stand for 'Balls up'?
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
They've given every indication thus far that they won't.

So it raises the question - will the State Govt go it alone to fund and deliver all of Plan B?
Does the 'B' in Plan B stand for 'Balls up'?
YM-Mundrabilla
I thought we where down to plan D or E?

Perhaps the Feds are waiting for the state budget to come out before indicating their direction with this, but if the state doesn't lift it's contribution significantly, i cant see the feds contributing much if anything more without significant carrot and stick deals.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

People seem to have trouble understanding the sequence of events.

1. Victoria comes up with the Mystery MB Revised Business case and submits same to Canberra in May 2020 seeking Feds to pay 80 % of estimated total $ 400m cost to re-rail Ararat - Maryborough, crossing loops at Tourello, Elmshurst, extra roads put back at Donald and Maryborough. Various signalling & track works at Ararat, Maryborough & Dunolly . No actual further standardization.
2. October - Federal budget allocates not 1 cent, Deputy PM tells Victoria to make the Mystery Business Case public.
3. Victoria releases Mystery Business case,  Victorian Farmers Federation, Rail Freight Alliance etc NOT happy.
4. At same time Victoria issues Media Release saying GETTING ON WITH MURRAY BASIN RAIL when as Reporter Lund says is incorrect they are getting on with NOTHING as Feds have refused to fund further at this time, and no indication from Victoria as to whether they will go solo and fund alone - if anything.
5. So usual Mexican stand-off
6. Deputy PM said on ABC Regional Radio Ballarat recently Feds had put in $ 200m so far and that contribution was "absolute".
Oxford dictionary -  absolute =  final / complete
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Just a thought, but would part of the problem with finishing the project be V line?
Yes

But seriously the only loser in this was the low patronage Maryborough service right? Surely that wouldn't be such a great factor?
Maximas

The government will not be reducing V/Line passenger services...end of.

Mike.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
People seem to have trouble understanding the sequence of events.

1. Victoria comes up with the Mystery MB Revised Business case and submits same to Canberra in May 2020 seeking Feds to pay 80 % of estimated total $ 400m cost to re-rail Ararat - Maryborough, crossing loops at Tourello, Elmshurst, extra roads put back at Donald and Maryborough. Various signalling & track works at Ararat, Maryborough & Dunolly . No actual further standardization.
2. October - Federal budget allocates not 1 cent, Deputy PM tells Victoria to make the Mystery Business Case public.
3. Victoria releases Mystery Business case,  Victorian Farmers Federation, Rail Freight Alliance etc NOT happy.
4. At same time Victoria issues Media Release saying GETTING ON WITH MURRAY BASIN RAIL when as Reporter Lund says is incorrect they are getting on with NOTHING as Feds have refused to fund further at this time, and no indication from Victoria as to whether they will go solo and fund alone - if anything.
5. So usual Mexican stand-off
6. Deputy PM said on ABC Regional Radio Ballarat recently Feds had put in $ 200m so far and that contribution was "absolute".
Oxford dictionary -  absolute =  final / complete
kuldalai

A nice summary.

I now feel the Feds knew the revised business case was also a dud and would not provide the benefits necessary.  It would have taken feedback from other users and decided this was not the right approach to fix the issues created by V/Line.

They in their wisdom and I understand why decided they would not back a dud.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
They've given every indication thus far that they won't.

So it raises the question - will the State Govt go it alone to fund and deliver all of Plan B?
Does the 'B' in Plan B stand for 'Balls up'?
I thought we where down to plan D or E?

Perhaps the Feds are waiting for the state budget to come out before indicating their direction with this, but if the state doesn't lift it's contribution significantly, i cant see the feds contributing much if anything more without significant carrot and stick deals.
Galron
I daren't ask what Plan F would stand for.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

They've given every indication thus far that they won't.

So it raises the question - will the State Govt go it alone to fund and deliver all of Plan B?
Does the 'B' in Plan B stand for 'Balls up'?
I thought we where down to plan D or E?

Perhaps the Feds are waiting for the state budget to come out before indicating their direction with this, but if the state doesn't lift it's contribution significantly, i cant see the feds contributing much if anything more without significant carrot and stick deals.
I daren't ask what Plan F would stand for.
YM-Mundrabilla
That's where we are now isn't it?

Anyway, Chairman Dan now says the State Budget won't happen until after Nov 6 (when the Hotel Quarantine Enquiry report is released).
  splod Junior Train Controller

Location: Darwin, NT
They've given every indication thus far that they won't.

So it raises the question - will the State Govt go it alone to fund and deliver all of Plan B?
Does the 'B' in Plan B stand for 'Balls up'?
I thought we where down to plan D or E?

Perhaps the Feds are waiting for the state budget to come out before indicating their direction with this, but if the state doesn't lift it's contribution significantly, i cant see the feds contributing much if anything more without significant carrot and stick deals.
I daren't ask what Plan F would stand for.
YM-Mundrabilla
Not sure YM, but I heard the second part of the plan name was still "Up" if it helps!
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Just a thought, but would part of the problem with finishing the project be V line?
Yes

But seriously the only loser in this was the low patronage Maryborough service right? Surely that wouldn't be such a great factor?

The government will not be reducing V/Line passenger services...end of.

Mike.
The Vinelander
If they played their cards right it would have sene an increase...
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
They've given every indication thus far that they won't.

So it raises the question - will the State Govt go it alone to fund and deliver all of Plan B?
Does the 'B' in Plan B stand for 'Balls up'?
I thought we where down to plan D or E?

Perhaps the Feds are waiting for the state budget to come out before indicating their direction with this, but if the state doesn't lift it's contribution significantly, i cant see the feds contributing much if anything more without significant carrot and stick deals.
I daren't ask what Plan F would stand for.
Not sure YM, but I heard the second part of the plan name was still "Up" if it helps!
splod
That fits.
Plan F, clause U section p
  Inland_Sailor Junior Train Controller

They've given every indication thus far that they won't.

So it raises the question - will the State Govt go it alone to fund and deliver all of Plan B?
Does the 'B' in Plan B stand for 'Balls up'?
I thought we where down to plan D or E?

Perhaps the Feds are waiting for the state budget to come out before indicating their direction with this, but if the state doesn't lift it's contribution significantly, i cant see the feds contributing much if anything more without significant carrot and stick deals.
I daren't ask what Plan F would stand for.
Not sure YM, but I heard the second part of the plan name was still "Up" if it helps!
That fits.
Plan F, clause U section p
YM-Mundrabilla
All of this angst [and expense] from doing something simple like moving one track in 165mm!
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
All of this angst [and expense] from doing something simple like moving one track in 165mm!
Inland_Sailor
See that is the illusion.  That was only part of what was required, there was a bunch of catch up major maintenance required as well it seems that wasn't detailed in the original business case (did VLine even know or did they miss that as they were preoccupied with accepting their brown paper packages).  

Id say that the majority of the works havent actually related to moving the track at all and have been on the catch up maintenance...
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

All of this angst [and expense] from doing something simple like moving one track in 165mm!
See that is the illusion.  That was only part of what was required, there was a bunch of catch up major maintenance required as well it seems that wasn't detailed in the original business case (did VLine even know or did they miss that as they were preoccupied with accepting their brown paper packages).  

Id say that the majority of the works havent actually related to moving the track at all and have been on the catch up maintenance...
james.au
Some 4 - 5 years an industry insider told me he went to an Industry Briefing by the then Guy from PTV who was supposed to be in charge of speccing the MB project.  He gave the usual talk and Powerpoint.

When it came to questions he was asked did the project scope include addressing all the speed resytictions North of Maryborough owing to poor track quality, pointing out that standardizing a poor quality track would still result in a poor quality track but it would be standard gauge instead of broad ?  His answer not my concern, not part of the project - NOT my problem.A typical Sir Humphrey attitude.  Poor speccing and rationalizing infrastructure is coming home to roost now in that Victoria's unfunded Claytons option has on the wish list things like - loops at Tourello and Elmshurst, additional roads at Maryborough Yard etc - all things that key stakeholders claim they pointed out in the earliest days.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Exhibit A of not answering the question.  Refer Pages 11 & 12 of Tuesday's Hansard:
https://parliament.vic.gov.au/images/stories/daily-hansard/Assembly_2020/Legislative_Assembly_2020-10-27.pdf
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Exhibit A of not answering the question.  Refer Pages 11 & 12 of Tuesday's Hansard:
https://parliament.vic.gov.au/images/stories/daily-hansard/Assembly_2020/Legislative_Assembly_2020-10-27.pdf
Carnot
Utterly sickening.
No one seems interested in anything other than childish games.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Vic State Govt budget will be handed down on Nov 24.  So we'll probably have to wait until then for further big announcements, if any.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Exhibit A of not answering the question.  Refer Pages 11 & 12 of Tuesday's Hansard:
https://parliament.vic.gov.au/images/stories/daily-hansard/Assembly_2020/Legislative_Assembly_2020-10-27.pdf
Utterly sickening.
No one seems interested in anything other than childish games.
YM-Mundrabilla

I agree this is pathetic and so disingenuous to the extreme.  The conversation itself simply highlights how the ALP hold a don't care view of the seriousness of the wastage and lack of governance.  This was an opportunity to not play politics and look to how this can be fixed.  Again they blamed the Commonwealth Government rather than answer the qurstion.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
An update from the Dimmy Courier on the current works being undertaken on the Rainbow line.

Work is continuing on the upgrade of the railway line between Dimboola to Rainbow, with crews currently working at several locations along the line.

Stacks of new sleepers, both concrete and timber, along with piles of ballast have been appearing at regular intervals along the line and the work to deliver these by road has progressed to Antwerp by Thursday morning.

https://www.dimboolacourier.com.au/news.php?newsid=5148

I'm likin' the line of new sleepers in the bottom picture.

BigShunter.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Exhibit A of not answering the question.  Refer Pages 11 & 12 of Tuesday's Hansard:
https://parliament.vic.gov.au/images/stories/daily-hansard/Assembly_2020/Legislative_Assembly_2020-10-27.pdf
Utterly sickening.
No one seems interested in anything other than childish games.

I agree this is pathetic and so disingenuous to the extreme.  The conversation itself simply highlights how the ALP hold a don't care view of the seriousness of the wastage and lack of governance.  This was an opportunity to not play politics and look to how this can be fixed.  Again they blamed the Commonwealth Government rather than answer the qurstion.
bevans
Politicians everywhere can speak for hours without answering the question. It's certainly not just an ALP speciality, as spending a few minutes watching "Question Time" on the ABC will demonstrate.

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