Is 5G real and useful ?

 
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Reading a lot about 5G and how it will work but is Australia going millimetre wave or is it all hype out here in Australia ?

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  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Reading a lot about 5G and how it will work but is Australia going millimetre wave or is it all hype out here in Australia ?
freightgate
Its one of those things that when you are shown the benefits of 5G over 4G you (or I) will say, "I wouldn't benefit, I wouldn't use that, so what's the point, happy to stay on 4G".

But come back 3-4 years later and interview you again while you (or me) are sitting on your 5G phone using all the features you said you wouldn't before.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/17/tech/5g-technical-explainer/index.html#:~:text=5G%20is%20expected%20to%20be%20nearly%20100%20times%20faster%20than%204G.&text=Those%20speeds%20are%20possible%20because,much%20faster%20than%20on%204G.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Yes, and yes. What a ridiculous pair of questions. Are you one of these hippies who hates vaccination, waiting for the UFOs to arrive, likes a bit of fair enough and so on?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I am sitting here in my lounge room with a brand spanking new iPhone 12 operating on 5G and I have to tell you that while I am a huge fan of mm wave tech - a very good mate of mine is pretty much the ‘guru’ of the tech in Australian design circles I am so far underwhelmed.

My home wifi (I have FTTH ‘NBN’ - actually TPG’s far superior version) is flat out fastest - I can pull well over 100Mbps through my router, off a good server in Adelaide I had a sustained download of over 120Mbps on a 2GB file, and I still had other devices on the network taking some bandwidth too.

My 5G service ‘tests’ (and anecdotally in use is) slower than 4G LTE.

mm wave IMO has no place in ‘long distance’ mass use wireless communications, the technology would be better used in smaller, closed (maybe even only point to point) wireless systems.

We will ‘get it’ in our mass communication network, and make no mistake, probably 6,7,8+G too, but I don’t think the current 5G use is rolled out around efficiency, or in my experience so far, efficacy.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I am sitting here in my lounge room with a brand spanking new iPhone 12 operating on 5G and I have to tell you that while I am a huge fan of mm wave tech - a very good mate of mine is pretty much the ‘guru’ of the tech in Australian design circles I am so far underwhelmed.

My home wifi (I have FTTH ‘NBN’ - actually TPG’s far superior version) is flat out fastest - I can pull well over 100Mbps through my router, off a good server in Adelaide I had a sustained download of over 120Mbps on a 2GB file, and I still had other devices on the network taking some bandwidth too.

My 5G service ‘tests’ (and anecdotally in use is) slower than 4G LTE.

mm wave IMO has no place in ‘long distance’ mass use wireless communications, the technology would be better used in smaller, closed (maybe even only point to point) wireless systems.

We will ‘get it’ in our mass communication network, and make no mistake, probably 6,7,8+G too, but I don’t think the current 5G use is rolled out around efficiency, or in my experience so far, efficacy.
Aaron
ahhh, I see your problem, highlighted above. Laughing

You need to change your phone handset provider as this brand is always underwhelming apart from the 1st generation.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Yeah I'm waiting about another year or so before I upgrade my android (rooted) to 5g
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Yes and Yes.

People have been coming up with these types of conspiracy theories ever since radio, television, microwaves, mobile phones, wifi internet, etc were first rolled out.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I mention my iPhone, because I had it my hand (I made the post from it) and it’s the most recent tech I have on hand.

My work phone is a Samsung (S10), and it’s no better on 5G, it spends much of its time on 4G/LTE with 5G turned off because it is so unreliable, I found in some instances whilst switching from 5-4G it would drop out in calls.

For all its short comings, I still go with iPhone for my personal phone because all things considered it’s the least bad of a lot of only bad choices.

I drove a Pixel (not a 5G phone) for a while, and was issued a Samsung through work, they usually have a pile of negatives (in many cases, one of which is needing to talk to the person on the other end of the call...) and few if any true positives.

I usually go with iPhone for my personal daily drive because the app range is second to none, I can actually dev in Swift. My VPN works better on the iPhone. Anecdotally the Bluetooth seems to be stronger - I have many cooking gadgets that speak to my devices by Bluetooth and my iPhone always picks the signal better than my Android. It’s easier to sync my data. Siri and ‘Hey Google’ are equally terrible, so much so that I generally have both disabled, I hate my Google home thingo I only have it because I am using it for a machine learning project I am mucking about with.

I have a Sony (Android) TV, and the app range is smeg on that, when I want to watch American MLB or ski jumping world championships it’s easier to use AirPlay than Google cast or whatever it’s called from my iPhone to the Sony than it is from Samsung to the Sony...
  doyle Chief Commissioner

These are pretty cool Aaron a bit dearish but solid

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  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I already use one of these...

https://avaustralia.com.au/zappiti-4k-player-duo-with-hdr/

Freakin awesome for playing my ‘helping out Hollywood with some offsite backup’ movies and TV shows.

Still better to cast from my phone for the skiing and baseball though.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Very cool  I love my tech, my wife hates me
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Yes, and yes. What a ridiculous pair of questions. Are you one of these hippies who hates vaccination, waiting for the UFOs to arrive, likes a bit of fair enough and so on?
billybaxter

Two excellent questions is the damn thing 5G all hype?  

Do we even have 5G here yet and how will it be used other than to replace your NBN connection which is smeg.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Still can't get 4G everywhere around here, so not waiting for 5G with any anticipation.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Most 5G is on a much higher Radio Frequency and isn't particularly good at going through walls.  If you have a 5G Home Internet setup they tell you to place it next to a window to get sufficient signal strength to operate properly.

Outdoors/line-of-sight is a different matter.  Generally much better bandwidth than 4G.

One interesting problem with 5G is interference to weather satellites on some of the frequencies.  It's not a conspiracy theory:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/22/20975652/weather-forecast-interference-limits-5g-egypt-conference-radio-frequency
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The deployment of "5G" in Australia is limited at the present time to CAT10 LTE  meaning no MM WAVELENGTH deployments as I believe the spectrum has not been allocated as yet.  Interestingly in the USA where spectrum for MM Wavelength deployment is available they have reserved radio frequency for community systems running 5G at MMWL.  I would like to see this happen in Australia so we can progress to encourage communities and other users to deply 5G community networks similar to what we have been doing for some years at: http://www.melbournewireless.org.au

I personally feel the government will not so this as it has the potential to undermine NBN investments.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The deployment of "5G" in Australia is limited at the present time to CAT10 LTE  meaning no MM WAVELENGTH deployments as I believe the spectrum has not been allocated as yet.  Interestingly in the USA where spectrum for MM Wavelength deployment is available they have reserved radio frequency for community systems running 5G at MMWL.  I would like to see this happen in Australia so we can progress to encourage communities and other users to deply 5G community networks similar to what we have been doing for some years at: http://www.melbournewireless.org.au

I personally feel the government will not so this as it has the potential to undermine NBN investments.
bevans
MMWL has its place (low power setups).

Elon Musk's StarLink network uses a lot of 12-18 & 26-40 GHz spectrum.  It will compete more with NBN Satellite than NBN fixed wireless.  

The latest news is that StarLink service will cost about $750 for the antenna and install, with a $150 per month ongoing cost.  Apparently 150 Gbps download speeds are typical for Elon's internet.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I mention my iPhone, because I had it my hand (I made the post from it) and it’s the most recent tech I have on hand.

My work phone is a Samsung (S10), and it’s no better on 5G, it spends much of its time on 4G/LTE with 5G turned off because it is so unreliable, I found in some instances whilst switching from 5-4G it would drop out in calls.

For all its short comings, I still go with iPhone for my personal phone because all things considered it’s the least bad of a lot of only bad choices.

I drove a Pixel (not a 5G phone) for a while, and was issued a Samsung through work, they usually have a pile of negatives (in many cases, one of which is needing to talk to the person on the other end of the call...) and few if any true positives.

I usually go with iPhone for my personal daily drive because the app range is second to none, I can actually dev in Swift. My VPN works better on the iPhone. Anecdotally the Bluetooth seems to be stronger - I have many cooking gadgets that speak to my devices by Bluetooth and my iPhone always picks the signal better than my Android. It’s easier to sync my data. Siri and ‘Hey Google’ are equally terrible, so much so that I generally have both disabled, I hate my Google home thingo I only have it because I am using it for a machine learning project I am mucking about with.

I have a Sony (Android) TV, and the app range is smeg on that, when I want to watch American MLB or ski jumping world championships it’s easier to use AirPlay than Google cast or whatever it’s called from my iPhone to the Sony than it is from Samsung to the Sony...
Aaron
Each to their own.

My issues with iphone include Apple's ongoing insistent to use their own hardware for which is often sold at higher prices than other. Every other brand uses mini USB B or C, why not Apple.

Also I reluctantly bought by boy and ipad when he was in year 5 or 6 for school as requested by teachers, he could have had a Samsung, but his mostly more affluent Emiratie friends that have the latest ipads. So to ensure he remains "cool" and not a poor expat we bought him a ipad. Ok, takes a bit of frustration to use and fault find but ok. When he was going to Oz one year on his own, I was trying to load movies for him to watch on Apples itunes, half of them were being rejected. A friend helped me and something to do with potentially the movies lack tags to say they are paid for. Plus he needed access to the internet and the grand parents in Oz were not exactly reknown for getting large data packages. So we also gave him our Samsung 10 with movies on it and a memory stick for the extra that didn't fit in the device memory, including the one itunes rejected.

The Samsung 10" was bought one year before his ipad 2 which had 3 screens before the battery finally died 4 years later. Meanwhile our 2013 Samsung 10" still works, same screen, travelled the world and my youngest was using it for 4 years, including dropping it and battery is ok.

Other issue with iphone, many of their features now seem to be lagging that of Samsung including the ability for dual sim. I only have one phone for work and home use and its dual sim with my Aussie and UAE sim cards. Where as Emiraties who often have 2-3 phones which they carry with them, historically Blackberry, then iphone. However I'm starting to see more with Samsung or other brand with dual sim.

My current phone is a Samsung 8, this is the first phone I haven't felt the urge to fork out around 2200 AED to get a new one to be faster, more memory, better functionality, longer battery life, failing screen etc, ie there was always something wrong with my aging previous phone to justify a new one. Its around 4.5 years old and I may get a new one next year.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Each to their own.

My issues with iphone include Apple's ongoing insistent to use their own hardware for which is often sold at higher prices than other. Every other brand uses mini USB B or C, why not Apple.
RTT_Rules
It's even inconsistent over it's own product range. Only the Iphone has the lightning port, and tthey dont want to give that up for the royalties they claim with all the accessories. Add into that, they dont include a fast charging power brick (not even a normal one in the box now) and with the latest Iphones you get a USB C to Lightning Cable instead, which is useless on old power bricks. Watch them pull the new magsafe wireless charging as the new default method to charge the Iphone 13 or 14.


Anyway, kind of want to try out 5G with the new phone I've gotten recently, but on the other hand I sort of dont care.
  Trans-Siberian Station Master

Location: Krasnoyarsk, Siberia
Reading a lot about 5G and how it will work but is Australia going millimetre wave or is it all hype out here in Australia ?
freightgate
For a great insight into the ACTUAL capabilities of 5G and its global impacts, look at the video of Brig. Gen. Robert S. Spalding III who in 16-years reached the rank of Brigadier General (1-star)...who was the Senior Director for Strategic Planning on the USA's National Security Council.

A Northrop-Boeing B-2 "Spirit" bomber pilot who actually lived & studied in China for 2-years.

Australia is also briefly mentioned...see, his interview with Economist Danielle DiMartino Booth on "How China is Dominating the 5G Networks" -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27JPVs1EriA
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
I had occasion to download a many hundreds of megabytes update to a Samsung 5G. I was sitting in my car, parked ~150m from a known good 5G base tower with clear line of sight. The download started and progressed at a modest pace as measured by the download progress line. After watching this for a short time I noticed the phone becoming warm. I then started the engine and switched on the air conditioning with full fan speed. I tried holding the phone in front of a vent. As the phone cooled the download speed increased. It was probably ~10 times faster at completion of the download than it had been before.

I think 5G should be very useful when equipment heating limitations are overcome.

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